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Chassis lifetime?
Chassis lifetime?
Comments about the former CCWS teams needing to learn the Dallara
chassis got me wondering how long specs are frozen now. Is it still
three years? When will the next update be? KC is not my favorite type of
track for open wheel racing, but if you are going to run there, the
formula seems to be right. (CART trying to run TMS with 350 or HP too
many is another story altogether.)
Comments about the former CCWS teams needing to learn the Dallara
chassis got me wondering how long specs are frozen now. Is it still
three years? When will the next update be? KC is not my favorite type of
track for open wheel racing, but if you are going to run there, the
formula seems to be right. (CART trying to run TMS with 350 or HP too
many is another story altogether.)
Re: Chassis lifetime?
On Apr 27, 7:43 pm, Jim West <eggplantpa...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Comments about the former CCWS teams needing to learn the Dallara
> chassis got me wondering how long specs are frozen now. Is it still
> three years? When will the next update be?
It was originally frozen from 2003--2005. :-)
WAG: The IRL is looking for engine manufacturers now to enter the
series in 2010 or 2011. When the IRL and the engine manufacturers
agree on a mechanical package, the new chassis specs will be defined
around that, and there will be two or three allowed chassis, if that
many builders are interested.
On Apr 27, 7:43 pm, Jim West <eggplantpa...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Comments about the former CCWS teams needing to learn the Dallara
> chassis got me wondering how long specs are frozen now. Is it still
> three years? When will the next update be?
It was originally frozen from 2003--2005. :-)
WAG: The IRL is looking for engine manufacturers now to enter the
series in 2010 or 2011. When the IRL and the engine manufacturers
agree on a mechanical package, the new chassis specs will be defined
around that, and there will be two or three allowed chassis, if that
many builders are interested.
Re: Chassis lifetime?
On 2008-04-28, scottscottscott <scottrevision@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 27, 7:43 pm, Jim West <eggplantpa...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> Comments about the former CCWS teams needing to learn the Dallara
>> chassis got me wondering how long specs are frozen now. Is it still
>> three years? When will the next update be?
>
> It was originally frozen from 2003--2005. :-)
Uh...okay. I hadn't anticipated that turn of events. Hope your WAG is
reasonably close. There needs to be some rebuilding.
Some on a CART/CCWS site seem to be convinced that IndyCar will adopt
the Panoz DP01. I see that reality still hasn't sunk in.
On 2008-04-28, scottscottscott <scottrevision@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Apr 27, 7:43 pm, Jim West <eggplantpa...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> Comments about the former CCWS teams needing to learn the Dallara
>> chassis got me wondering how long specs are frozen now. Is it still
>> three years? When will the next update be?
>
> It was originally frozen from 2003--2005. :-)
Uh...okay. I hadn't anticipated that turn of events. Hope your WAG is
reasonably close. There needs to be some rebuilding.
Some on a CART/CCWS site seem to be convinced that IndyCar will adopt
the Panoz DP01. I see that reality still hasn't sunk in.
Re: Chassis lifetime?
On Apr 28, 8:38 pm, Jim West <eggplantpa...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Some on a CART/CCWS site seem to be convinced that IndyCar will adopt
> the Panoz DP01. I see that reality still hasn't sunk in.
Panoz probably will be one of the vendors for the next generation of
IRL chassis. I don't know whether the 2003 Panoz/G-Force chassis
still is technically legal for the IRL, but I don't think anyone is
using it.
AFAIK, the objections to using the DP01 (or any other chassis) at this
point are practical, not philosophical--it isn't set up for the Honda
engine, it isn't designed for parity with the Dallara, and it doesn't
have a proven speedway package. Probably best for everyone to just
get together behind the Dallara/Honda for now and focus on producing
good racing for fans who are giving the merged series a chance,
instead of diluting the product by working out equivalency formulas on
the fly, even if Honda and Cosworth wanted to compete together.
FYI, Champ Car provided its own engines under the Cosworth brand, so
there's no promotional value in using the old Champ Car engines,
except as playing the Washington Generals for Honda--which would be
contrary to the goal of improving the show. (The owners of Champ Car
had to buy Cosworth Racing to protect their engine supply from being
purchased and cut off by allies of the IRL. Ford ended its
sponsorship/branding of the Cosworth Champ Car engines after 2006.)
On Apr 28, 8:38 pm, Jim West <eggplantpa...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Some on a CART/CCWS site seem to be convinced that IndyCar will adopt
> the Panoz DP01. I see that reality still hasn't sunk in.
Panoz probably will be one of the vendors for the next generation of
IRL chassis. I don't know whether the 2003 Panoz/G-Force chassis
still is technically legal for the IRL, but I don't think anyone is
using it.
AFAIK, the objections to using the DP01 (or any other chassis) at this
point are practical, not philosophical--it isn't set up for the Honda
engine, it isn't designed for parity with the Dallara, and it doesn't
have a proven speedway package. Probably best for everyone to just
get together behind the Dallara/Honda for now and focus on producing
good racing for fans who are giving the merged series a chance,
instead of diluting the product by working out equivalency formulas on
the fly, even if Honda and Cosworth wanted to compete together.
FYI, Champ Car provided its own engines under the Cosworth brand, so
there's no promotional value in using the old Champ Car engines,
except as playing the Washington Generals for Honda--which would be
contrary to the goal of improving the show. (The owners of Champ Car
had to buy Cosworth Racing to protect their engine supply from being
purchased and cut off by allies of the IRL. Ford ended its
sponsorship/branding of the Cosworth Champ Car engines after 2006.)
Re: Chassis lifetime?
Oops...posted too soon.
My next questions about current status are:
a) http :// www .indycar,com /tech/specifications.php says that the minimum
weight is 1565 lbs on ovals and 1650 lbs on road courses including
coolants, lubricants, fuel, and DRIVER. Does that mean that Danica would
no longer have a 200 lbs weight advantage over Paul Tracy?
b) The same page says the current power is approximately 650 HP. Isn't
that about the same power that the Cosworth of the mid-80's was
producing? I seem to recall some very good racing back then...both oval
and street/road.
Oops...posted too soon.
My next questions about current status are:
a) http :// www .indycar,com /tech/specifications.php says that the minimum
weight is 1565 lbs on ovals and 1650 lbs on road courses including
coolants, lubricants, fuel, and DRIVER. Does that mean that Danica would
no longer have a 200 lbs weight advantage over Paul Tracy?
b) The same page says the current power is approximately 650 HP. Isn't
that about the same power that the Cosworth of the mid-80's was
producing? I seem to recall some very good racing back then...both oval
and street/road.
Re: Chassis lifetime?
On 29 Apr 2008 00:45:43 GMT, Jim West <eggplantparts@yahoo,com > wrote:
[snip]
>b) The same page says the current power is approximately 650 HP. Isn't
>that about the same power that the Cosworth of the mid-80's was
>producing? I seem to recall some very good racing back then...both oval
>and street/road.
IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
Ken Plotkin
On 29 Apr 2008 00:45:43 GMT, Jim West <eggplantparts@yahoo,com > wrote:
[snip]
>b) The same page says the current power is approximately 650 HP. Isn't
>that about the same power that the Cosworth of the mid-80's was
>producing? I seem to recall some very good racing back then...both oval
>and street/road.
IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
Ken Plotkin
Re: Chassis lifetime?
On 2008-04-29, Ken Plotkin <kplotkin@nospam-cox,net > wrote:
>
> IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
> and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
>
> Ken Plotkin
How many flat ovals are available to add now? I see Nazareth is shut
down. Are Phoenix or New Hampsire at all possible?
On 2008-04-29, Ken Plotkin <kplotkin@nospam-cox,net > wrote:
>
> IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
> and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
>
> Ken Plotkin
How many flat ovals are available to add now? I see Nazareth is shut
down. Are Phoenix or New Hampsire at all possible?
Re: Chassis lifetime?
Jim West wrote:
> On 2008-04-29, Ken Plotkin <kplotkin@nospam-cox,net > wrote:
>> IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
>> and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
>>
>> Ken Plotkin
>
>
> How many flat ovals are available to add now? I see Nazareth is shut
> down. Are Phoenix or New Hampsire at all possible?
New Hampshire won't work anytime soon. Safer barriers need to be
installed on more than just the outside walls around the turns (was
there a few weeks ago and the walls along the straights are bare
concrete). The new owner is more interested in spending money on
grandstands than safety, so I wouldn't bet on those upgrades happening
anytime soon.
Not sure about Phoenix. It is one hell of a track, but I don't know how
friendly their relationship with OW is.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Jim West wrote:
> On 2008-04-29, Ken Plotkin <kplotkin@nospam-cox,net > wrote:
>> IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
>> and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
>>
>> Ken Plotkin
>
>
> How many flat ovals are available to add now? I see Nazareth is shut
> down. Are Phoenix or New Hampsire at all possible?
New Hampshire won't work anytime soon. Safer barriers need to be
installed on more than just the outside walls around the turns (was
there a few weeks ago and the walls along the straights are bare
concrete). The new owner is more interested in spending money on
grandstands than safety, so I wouldn't bet on those upgrades happening
anytime soon.
Not sure about Phoenix. It is one hell of a track, but I don't know how
friendly their relationship with OW is.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Chassis lifetime?
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:28:10 -0400, forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail,com >
wrote:
>Not sure about Phoenix. It is one hell of a track, but I don't know how
>friendly their relationship with OW is.
Phoenix is great, but there was some kind of a falling out between the
track and IRL over whose fault it was that the race wasn't properly
promoted.
I don't know if the Copper Classic ever recovered from being shifted
from its traditional January date to the IRL's March date. It's a
shame they didn't draw a bigger crowd. I loved going there for the
IRL/Copper weekend. Besides the four races at PIR, Manzanita would
have a two-night USAC Sprint show. If you have not been to Manzy and
heard Windy McDonald announce, you have no idea what a great track
announcer sounds like.
Short circuiting to the thread about announcers...IRL should hire
Windy to do their broadcasts.
Ken Plotkin
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:28:10 -0400, forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail,com >
wrote:
>Not sure about Phoenix. It is one hell of a track, but I don't know how
>friendly their relationship with OW is.
Phoenix is great, but there was some kind of a falling out between the
track and IRL over whose fault it was that the race wasn't properly
promoted.
I don't know if the Copper Classic ever recovered from being shifted
from its traditional January date to the IRL's March date. It's a
shame they didn't draw a bigger crowd. I loved going there for the
IRL/Copper weekend. Besides the four races at PIR, Manzanita would
have a two-night USAC Sprint show. If you have not been to Manzy and
heard Windy McDonald announce, you have no idea what a great track
announcer sounds like.
Short circuiting to the thread about announcers...IRL should hire
Windy to do their broadcasts.
Ken Plotkin
Re: Chassis lifetime?
Ken Plotkin wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2008 00:45:43 GMT, Jim West <eggplantparts@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> b) The same page says the current power is approximately 650 HP. Isn't
>> that about the same power that the Cosworth of the mid-80's was
>> producing? I seem to recall some very good racing back then...both oval
>> and street/road.
>
> IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
> and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
>
> Ken Plotkin
>
The Biggest Ditto I've Ever Posted on Usenet. Amen.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Ken Plotkin wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2008 00:45:43 GMT, Jim West <eggplantparts@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> b) The same page says the current power is approximately 650 HP. Isn't
>> that about the same power that the Cosworth of the mid-80's was
>> producing? I seem to recall some very good racing back then...both oval
>> and street/road.
>
> IRL's been having good races. They just need to run more flat ovals
> and fewer banked 1 1/2 milers.
>
> Ken Plotkin
>
The Biggest Ditto I've Ever Posted on Usenet. Amen.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
