Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!


http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
wrote:
> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU

Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
he hit that retaining wall at the end.

What happened to the sand pit / run down area?

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

DAVe wrote:
> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>
> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>
> What happened to the sand pit / run down area?


it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
that wall, we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
out or what.....they interviewed one of the drivers that said the runoff
area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds they're going

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Jun 21, 9:09 pm, SG <spaamtrap...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> DAVe wrote:
> > On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
> > wrote:
> >> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>
> > Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
> > he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>
> > What happened to the sand pit / run down area?
>
> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
> that wall, we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
> out or what.....they interviewed one of the drivers that said the runoff
> area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds they're going

It's not much of one, that's for sure!

And he pulled the cute, so he was probably OK until he hit the wall.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), TS02 05champ
<tonystewart02 05champ@yahoo,com > wrote:

>On Jun 21, 9:09 pm, SG <spaamtrap...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> DAVe wrote:
>> > On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
>> > wrote:
>> >> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> >> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>>
>> > Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
>> > he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>>
>> > What happened to the sand pit / run down area?
>>
>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
>> that wall, we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
>> out or what.....they interviewed one of the drivers that said the runoff
>> area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds they're going
>
>It's not much of one, that's for sure!
>
>And he pulled the cute, so he was probably OK until he hit the wall.

I'm not so convinced that *he* actually let out the 'chutes as I am
thinking that the body coming off after the initial exposion caused
them to come out. The parachutes for the floppers (funny cars) are
soft-mounted directly to the back of the body so they will deploy if
the body comes off, with the main tethers themselves being mounted to
the frame just aft of the cockpit.

I personally think he got knocked out. Motor popped, body came off,
'chutes deployed (but never inflated) and then I saw no slowing -
meaning he never got on the brakes. Funny cars (and top fuelers) have
hand-lever brakes. Had he got hard on the brakes, the car would've
likely started hopping on the rear tires down track - something I
didn't see.

Regardless of what did or didn't happen, it was a nasty wreck. Sorry
to see Scott get it like that. Connie is a bedrock from the old days
of drag racing, and for Scott to un-retire for a 2nd time and then
lose his life? What a shame. Prayers to the wife, kids, father, family
and team.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

SimRacer wrote:
>>
> I'm not so convinced that *he* actually let out the 'chutes as I am
> thinking that the body coming off after the initial exposion caused
> them to come out. The parachutes for the floppers (funny cars) are
> soft-mounted directly to the back of the body so they will deploy if
> the body comes off, with the main tethers themselves being mounted to
> the frame just aft of the cockpit.
>
> I personally think he got knocked out. Motor popped, body came off,
> 'chutes deployed (but never inflated) and then I saw no slowing -
> meaning he never got on the brakes. Funny cars (and top fuelers) have
> hand-lever brakes. Had he got hard on the brakes, the car would've
> likely started hopping on the rear tires down track - something I
> didn't see.

Agree.

>
> Regardless of what did or didn't happen, it was a nasty wreck. Sorry
> to see Scott get it like that. Connie is a bedrock from the old days
> of drag racing, and for Scott to un-retire for a 2nd time and then
> lose his life? What a shame. Prayers to the wife, kids, father, family
> and team.

Indeed.
Fatalities are never welcome.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:03:03 -0400, SimRacer <NOsimracer68@yahoo,com SPAM> wrote:

>I'm not so convinced that *he* actually let out the 'chutes as I am
>thinking that the body coming off after the initial exposion caused
>them to come out. The parachutes for the floppers (funny cars) are
>soft-mounted directly to the back of the body so they will deploy if
>the body comes off, with the main tethers themselves being mounted to
>the frame just aft of the cockpit.
>
>I personally think he got knocked out. Motor popped, body came off,
>'chutes deployed (but never inflated) and then I saw no slowing -
>meaning he never got on the brakes. Funny cars (and top fuelers) have
>hand-lever brakes. Had he got hard on the brakes, the car would've
>likely started hopping on the rear tires down track - something I
>didn't see.
>
>Regardless of what did or didn't happen, it was a nasty wreck. Sorry
>to see Scott get it like that. Connie is a bedrock from the old days
>of drag racing, and for Scott to un-retire for a 2nd time and then
>lose his life? What a shame. Prayers to the wife, kids, father, family
>and team.

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Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:8rSdnZvp_5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :

> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
> that wall,

They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
concrete.

> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
> out or what

I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
we're not likely to know.

> they interviewed one of the drivers that said the
> runoff area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds
> they're going

This is very similar to the situation in NASCAR at Daytona and
Talladega - the tracks are not safe for the speeds the cars are
capable of. NASCAR addressed that with the plates. I'm not
sure if the NHRA can make enough track improvements to be "safe"
at 330mph, or if they too need to address speeds. And I'm not
sure the NHRA has the will to address speeds, since it would be
such a radical change.

John

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video


"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AC561D6D18E7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
> news:8rSdnZvp 5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :
>
>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
>> that wall,
>
> They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
> net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
> concrete.
>
>> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
>> out or what
>
> I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
> the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
> we're not likely to know.
>
>

They were staging, right? Nobody stages that far down the track. It seems
to have been some sort of stuck wide open throttle deal. Or maybe not. His
car sure was under throttle much longer than the other car.

The tragic thing about racers is that racers sometimes die racing.
Pavement, dirt, air, water. That unfortunate fact does not make it any less
terrible when it happens to someone you have followed.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

RickyBobby wrote:
>
> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9AC561D6D18E7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
>> news:8rSdnZvp 5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :
>>
>>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
>>> that wall,
>>
>> They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
>> net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
>> concrete.
>>
>>> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
>>> out or what
>>
>> I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
>> the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
>> we're not likely to know.
>>
>>
>
> They were staging, right? Nobody stages that far down the track. It
> seems to have been some sort of stuck wide open throttle deal. Or maybe
> not. His car sure was under throttle much longer than the other car.
>

The motor was history at the 1/4 mark and it was still putting out power?

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Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video


"">G< ©"" <jimmygator@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:7c6e$485ea40b$4b591934$25078@ALLTEL,net ...
> RickyBobby wrote:
>>
>> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AC561D6D18E7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>>> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
>>> news:8rSdnZvp 5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :
>>>
>>>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
>>>> that wall,
>>>
>>> They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
>>> net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
>>> concrete.
>>>
>>>> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
>>>> out or what
>>>
>>> I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
>>> the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
>>> we're not likely to know.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They were staging, right? Nobody stages that far down the track. It
>> seems to have been some sort of stuck wide open throttle deal. Or maybe
>> not. His car sure was under throttle much longer than the other car.
>>
>
> The motor was history at the 1/4 mark and it was still putting out power?
>
>

I dunno. I dunno if the explosion meant that the engine was not running and
the car just went that fast with a parachute out and the brakes did not
work. I am only just saying that the clip would have been the longest and
worst tire-warming burnout anyone has ever seen. But who does a warm-up all
of the way to the 1/4 mile mark unless they hard a stuck throttle or fuel
management system malfunction.

Calling it anything you or I want to call it does not lessen the tragedy. I
was just trying to say that that run was not staging and perhaps either
there was a throttle or engine management issue. He kept it straight and
deployed the chute but the chute only works when there is not 4000
horsepower pulling against it.

The great thinker and educator Sherlock Holmes schooled his pupils in this
way "once you have eliminated everything else, what remains is the truth".

The car in the other lane was not involved so leave us eliminate that. That
only leaves the driver, the car, and the course. The driver was most likely
not trying to commit suicide by running into a concrete wall so we are left
with the car and the track. There have been many of thousands of 300MPH
trap speed runs at that course and every driver did not crash at the end.
So according to the reasonings of Sherlock Holmes the only thing left is the
car which must be the cause.

I have no idea of how the foot feed of a funny car is linked to the computer
and the ignition and the fuel injection pump. I doubt that Scott Kalitta
forgot how to do a staging run to it would appear to the reasoned observer
that something kept the engine at full song much longer than Scott Kalitta
would have liked. And the clutch engaged to boot.

The people who way "we will never know" are wrong. Scott Kalitta was not a
different driver from a different place who was trying to do a staging burn
differently. Once the shock has worn off the people who know about Funny
Cars can tell the rest of us if the mechanical throttle stuck or if the
engine management computer poured on the power and locked out the clutch.
The parachute has nothing to do with it, by the way.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video



"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
news:QLA7k.3064$I76.1990@newsfe11.phx...
>
> "">G< ©"" <jimmygator@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:7c6e$485ea40b$4b591934$25078@ALLTEL,net ...
> > RickyBobby wrote:
> >>
> >> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> >> news:Xns9AC561D6D18E7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
> >>> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
> >>> news:8rSdnZvp_5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :
> >>>
> >>>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
> >>>> that wall,
> >>>
> >>> They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
> >>> net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
> >>> concrete.
> >>>
> >>>> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
> >>>> out or what
> >>>
> >>> I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
> >>> the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
> >>> we're not likely to know.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> They were staging, right? Nobody stages that far down the track. It
> >> seems to have been some sort of stuck wide open throttle deal. Or
maybe
> >> not. His car sure was under throttle much longer than the other car.
> >>
> >
> > The motor was history at the 1/4 mark and it was still putting out
power?
> >
> >
>
> I dunno. I dunno if the explosion meant that the engine was not running
and
> the car just went that fast with a parachute out and the brakes did not
> work. I am only just saying that the clip would have been the longest and
> worst tire-warming burnout anyone has ever seen. But who does a warm-up
all
> of the way to the 1/4 mile mark unless they hard a stuck throttle or fuel
> management system malfunction.
>
> Calling it anything you or I want to call it does not lessen the tragedy.
I
> was just trying to say that that run was not staging and perhaps either
> there was a throttle or engine management issue. He kept it straight and
> deployed the chute but the chute only works when there is not 4000
> horsepower pulling against it.
>
> The great thinker and educator Sherlock Holmes schooled his pupils in this
> way "once you have eliminated everything else, what remains is the truth".
>
> The car in the other lane was not involved so leave us eliminate that.
That
> only leaves the driver, the car, and the course. The driver was most
likely
> not trying to commit suicide by running into a concrete wall so we are
left
> with the car and the track. There have been many of thousands of 300MPH
> trap speed runs at that course and every driver did not crash at the end.
> So according to the reasonings of Sherlock Holmes the only thing left is
the
> car which must be the cause.
>
> I have no idea of how the foot feed of a funny car is linked to the
computer
> and the ignition and the fuel injection pump. I doubt that Scott Kalitta
> forgot how to do a staging run to it would appear to the reasoned observer
> that something kept the engine at full song much longer than Scott Kalitta
> would have liked. And the clutch engaged to boot.
>
> The people who way "we will never know" are wrong. Scott Kalitta was not
a
> different driver from a different place who was trying to do a staging
burn
> differently. Once the shock has worn off the people who know about Funny
> Cars can tell the rest of us if the mechanical throttle stuck or if the
> engine management computer poured on the power and locked out the clutch.
> The parachute has nothing to do with it, by the way.
>

Full throttle doesn't have much effect on an engine that's blow to
smithereens.

For whatever reason, it seems the brakes were never applied. Either they
were non-functional or the driver was non-functional.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in
news:45v7k.6032$r_2.3652@newsfe14.phx:

> They were staging, right? Nobody stages that far down the track. It
> seems to have been some sort of stuck wide open throttle deal. Or
> maybe not. His car sure was under throttle much longer than the other
> car.

No, I beleive it was a qualifying run. The other car shook the tires
or something and shut off (there's no point completing a qualifying
run if it's not going to be a good one).

John

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

RickyBobby wrote:
> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9AC561D6D18E7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
>> news:8rSdnZvp 5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :
>>
>>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
>>> that wall,
>>
>> They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
>> net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
>> concrete.
>>
>>> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
>>> out or what
>>
>> I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
>> the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
>> we're not likely to know.
>>
>>
>
> They were staging, right? Nobody stages that far down the track.


You're confused about the term "staging".
All that term means is lining up at the starting line,
and the announcer was referring to the other car.
It was a Q run and he was under full power.


> It
> seems to have been some sort of stuck wide open throttle deal. Or
> maybe not. His car sure was under throttle much longer than the
> other car.

The other car shook the tires and shut off.

>
> The tragic thing about racers is that racers sometimes die racing.
> Pavement, dirt, air, water. That unfortunate fact does not make it
> any less terrible when it happens to someone you have followed.

Amen.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

John McCoy wrote:
> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
> news:8rSdnZvp 5wcO8DVnZ2dnUVZ sqdnZ2d@comcast,com :
>
>> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
>> that wall,
>
> They are saying today that he hit the pole which supports the catch
> net, rather than the wall. Same difference, tho - concrete is
> concrete.
>
>> we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
>> out or what
>
> I would be very suprised if he wasn't disabled before crossing
> the timing line, the way the engine let go. As you say, tho,
> we're not likely to know.
>
>> they interviewed one of the drivers that said the
>> runoff area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds
>> they're going
>
> This is very similar to the situation in NASCAR at Daytona and
> Talladega - the tracks are not safe for the speeds the cars are
> capable of. NASCAR addressed that with the plates. I'm not
> sure if the NHRA can make enough track improvements to be "safe"
> at 330mph, or if they too need to address speeds. And I'm not
> sure the NHRA has the will to address speeds, since it would be
> such a radical change.
>
> John

just run a 1/8th at those tracks...

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