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Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
SG wrote:
> DAVe wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
>> wrote:
>>> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>>
>> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
>> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>>
>> What happened to the sand pit / run down area?
>
>
> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
> that wall, we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
> out or what.....they interviewed one of the drivers that said the runoff
> area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds they're going
There is no reason they can't install crash nets. They would have
probably saved his life.
SG wrote:
> DAVe wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
>> wrote:
>>> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>>
>> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
>> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>>
>> What happened to the sand pit / run down area?
>
>
> it's there, he blew right through the sand and the catch net and hit
> that wall, we'll never know if when the car erupted if it knocked him
> out or what.....they interviewed one of the drivers that said the runoff
> area at a lot of the tracks is not sufficient for the speeds they're going
There is no reason they can't install crash nets. They would have
probably saved his life.
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Jun 21, 9:00 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>
> > WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>
> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>
> What happened to the sand pit / run down area?
I have NO idea, he pulled the cute, so he was OK at that point.
I've never seen anything like it!
On Jun 21, 9:00 pm, DAVe <smalleys...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>
> > WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>
> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>
> What happened to the sand pit / run down area?
I have NO idea, he pulled the cute, so he was OK at that point.
I've never seen anything like it!
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
"DAVe" <smalleyster@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:a499bed5-193f-4257-a0bb-252a7445f1cd@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>
> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>
Look at some of the other pictures on the net of that car from different
angles. There are several stills out there. The engine literally grenaded.
I think he was dead shortly after he pulled the chute. That car just kept
right on going the whole time.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
"DAVe" <smalleyster@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:a499bed5-193f-4257-a0bb-252a7445f1cd@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jun 21, 6:49 pm, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>> WARNING - This is very horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU
>
> Wow! IMHO the track is unsafe. He was probably still alive just before
> he hit that retaining wall at the end.
>
Look at some of the other pictures on the net of that car from different
angles. There are several stills out there. The engine literally grenaded.
I think he was dead shortly after he pulled the chute. That car just kept
right on going the whole time.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Jun 22, 2:58 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel,net > wrote:
> Look at some of the other pictures on the net of that car from different
> angles. There are several stills out there. The engine literally grenaded.
> I think he was dead shortly after he pulled the chute. That car just kept
> right on going the whole time.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREM...@alltel,net
>...Look at some of the other pictures on the net...<
Where are these pictures? I can't find any different ones.
On Jun 22, 2:58 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel,net > wrote:
> Look at some of the other pictures on the net of that car from different
> angles. There are several stills out there. The engine literally grenaded.
> I think he was dead shortly after he pulled the chute. That car just kept
> right on going the whole time.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREM...@alltel,net
>...Look at some of the other pictures on the net...<
Where are these pictures? I can't find any different ones.
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
http :// www .usatoday,com /sports/motor/nhra/2008-06-21-kalitta-death N.htm
Don Prudhomme, a legendary figure in drag racing, witnessed the scene
and said Kalitta's car "went into a million pieces."
"I haven't witnessed anything like that in a number of years,"
Prudhomme said. "These cars, for the most part, are pretty damn safe.
As many runs as we make down a quarter-mile, as many runs as he's
made, they're pretty damn safe.
"The car didn't slow up enough, (the car) got airborne, and he
happened to hit a post that's virtually impossible to do. I mean, I
would've never thought that that could happen. I would've never
thought that you could get airborne and hit that guardrail and hit
that post."
The concrete post, Prudhomme said, serves as support for the safety
net that's designed to catch cars veering off the strip. Since
Kalitta's parachute was damaged, Prudhomme said the car "never had a
chance" once it hit the post at such a rapid speed.
"I don't think it's the track's fault. I just don't," said Prudhomme,
team owner for Top Fuel driver Larry Dixon. "If I thought it was a
dangerous racetrack, if I thought it was the NHRA's fault, I wouldn't
be here. It was unheard of to see that. I was just stunned."
http :// www .usatoday,com /sports/motor/nhra/2008-06-21-kalitta-death N.htm
Don Prudhomme, a legendary figure in drag racing, witnessed the scene
and said Kalitta's car "went into a million pieces."
"I haven't witnessed anything like that in a number of years,"
Prudhomme said. "These cars, for the most part, are pretty damn safe.
As many runs as we make down a quarter-mile, as many runs as he's
made, they're pretty damn safe.
"The car didn't slow up enough, (the car) got airborne, and he
happened to hit a post that's virtually impossible to do. I mean, I
would've never thought that that could happen. I would've never
thought that you could get airborne and hit that guardrail and hit
that post."
The concrete post, Prudhomme said, serves as support for the safety
net that's designed to catch cars veering off the strip. Since
Kalitta's parachute was damaged, Prudhomme said the car "never had a
chance" once it hit the post at such a rapid speed.
"I don't think it's the track's fault. I just don't," said Prudhomme,
team owner for Top Fuel driver Larry Dixon. "If I thought it was a
dangerous racetrack, if I thought it was the NHRA's fault, I wouldn't
be here. It was unheard of to see that. I was just stunned."
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:57:05 -0700 (PDT), idbwill <idbwill@yahoo,com >
wrote:
* This is not directed at you, but at some of the incredible reactions
I have seen posted in this thread.
>"I don't think it's the track's fault. I just don't," said Prudhomme,
>team owner for Top Fuel driver Larry Dixon. "If I thought it was a
>dangerous racetrack, if I thought it was the NHRA's fault, I wouldn't
>be here. It was unheard of to see that. I was just stunned."
Well obviously Prudhomme doesn't know what he's talking about. From
his web site:
***********
"Ask even the most casual of motor sports fans who the biggest name in
drag racing is and you are almost always sure to hear one name – Don
“The Snake” Prudhomme. A true legend of the sport, Prudhomme, 65,
begins his 45th year in drag racing in 2007, his 13th season as an
owner after logging 32 seasons behind the wheel as one of the sport’s
elite drivers.
Snake’s remarkable driving career began in 1962 with his first Top
Fuel victory at “Smokers March Meet” in Bakersfield, Calif., before
ending with 49 NHRA career victories – the sixth most in NHRA history
– following his farewell “Final Strike Tour” in 1994. For his career,
Prudhomme reached the finals 68 times, posting a remarkable 35 wins in
45 Funny Car finals (.777 win percentage) and 14 wins in 23 Top Fuel
finals rounds (.609 win percentage). Overall, he won 389 of 589 rounds
of competition for a .660 winning percentage.
Along the way, Prudhomme reached many important milestones and broke
several barriers in the sport. He became the first driver to win four
consecutive NHRA series titles, won the prestigious U.S. Nationals
seven times, was the first Funny Car driver to break the 250-mph mark
(250.00 mph), was the first to post an elapsed time under 5.20 seconds
(5.193), became the first driver to win seven of eight national events
in one season (1976), was the first NHRA Winston World Champion
(1975), and became the first driver to win the U.S. Nationals and
Winternationals in the same season (1965). At age 51, he became the
third Top Fuel driver to pass the 300-mph mark (301.60) in 1993. Off
the track, Prudhomme gained notoriety in the early 1970s when Mattel
introduced the “Mongoose (Tom McEwen) and Snake” Hot Wheels car sets,
helping to introduce the sport of drag racing to a larger, more
mainstream audience."
*******
Overrreactionists on RASN are much more knowledgeable about drag
racing than this guy.
So let's take some pages from RASN's book on racing safety. They need
to make these cars slower like NASCAR does. Redesign the front to
increase drag. Make the engines smaller. Electric motors might even be
better, because they can't catch fire. And smaller tires, which will
keep these cars from going so damn fast, a favorite around these
parts. Maybe they should have the parachutes already deployed, so they
won't have to worry about deploying them in an emergency.
And maybe make the track run from NJ to California, because you never
know what's going to happen. I don't know why they even get in these
cars in the first place, when they could just use a remote control
from the pits to run these things. RC racing has been around for
decades, after all. They don't even need to have physical cars, they
could just do it with XBox. Sure, a couple guys have died from playing
video games for days nonstop, and the flashing images can cause
epileptic fits, but we can't make racing completely safe, can we?
And of course John Force, who obviously did not know that drag racing
was dangerous, will make Ashley stop racing. Sometimes it takes a
tragedy like this to wake people up. If John Force makes Ashley stop
racing, at least Scott Kalitta's death will not have been in vain...
John and Ashley Force know, as well as every drag racer, and every
racer of "stock" cars, pointy-nosed cars, planes, boats, bicycles,
motorcycles, ice skates, feet, and wheelchairs, that racing is
dangerous, with risks that run up to and include death. Scott Kalitta
knew it. And even though he didn't expect to die yesterday, he
accepted that it was a possibility, and he got in that race car
anyway. That doesn't mean that he deserved to die, but that's what
happened. Anyone that races cars at 300 mph for a living is not going
to have a sudden realization that they could die doing it. They
already know that. That risk is a part of their lives.
--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if
you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around
your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:57:05 -0700 (PDT), idbwill <idbwill@yahoo,com >
wrote:
* This is not directed at you, but at some of the incredible reactions
I have seen posted in this thread.
>"I don't think it's the track's fault. I just don't," said Prudhomme,
>team owner for Top Fuel driver Larry Dixon. "If I thought it was a
>dangerous racetrack, if I thought it was the NHRA's fault, I wouldn't
>be here. It was unheard of to see that. I was just stunned."
Well obviously Prudhomme doesn't know what he's talking about. From
his web site:
***********
"Ask even the most casual of motor sports fans who the biggest name in
drag racing is and you are almost always sure to hear one name – Don
“The Snake” Prudhomme. A true legend of the sport, Prudhomme, 65,
begins his 45th year in drag racing in 2007, his 13th season as an
owner after logging 32 seasons behind the wheel as one of the sport’s
elite drivers.
Snake’s remarkable driving career began in 1962 with his first Top
Fuel victory at “Smokers March Meet” in Bakersfield, Calif., before
ending with 49 NHRA career victories – the sixth most in NHRA history
– following his farewell “Final Strike Tour” in 1994. For his career,
Prudhomme reached the finals 68 times, posting a remarkable 35 wins in
45 Funny Car finals (.777 win percentage) and 14 wins in 23 Top Fuel
finals rounds (.609 win percentage). Overall, he won 389 of 589 rounds
of competition for a .660 winning percentage.
Along the way, Prudhomme reached many important milestones and broke
several barriers in the sport. He became the first driver to win four
consecutive NHRA series titles, won the prestigious U.S. Nationals
seven times, was the first Funny Car driver to break the 250-mph mark
(250.00 mph), was the first to post an elapsed time under 5.20 seconds
(5.193), became the first driver to win seven of eight national events
in one season (1976), was the first NHRA Winston World Champion
(1975), and became the first driver to win the U.S. Nationals and
Winternationals in the same season (1965). At age 51, he became the
third Top Fuel driver to pass the 300-mph mark (301.60) in 1993. Off
the track, Prudhomme gained notoriety in the early 1970s when Mattel
introduced the “Mongoose (Tom McEwen) and Snake” Hot Wheels car sets,
helping to introduce the sport of drag racing to a larger, more
mainstream audience."
*******
Overrreactionists on RASN are much more knowledgeable about drag
racing than this guy.
So let's take some pages from RASN's book on racing safety. They need
to make these cars slower like NASCAR does. Redesign the front to
increase drag. Make the engines smaller. Electric motors might even be
better, because they can't catch fire. And smaller tires, which will
keep these cars from going so damn fast, a favorite around these
parts. Maybe they should have the parachutes already deployed, so they
won't have to worry about deploying them in an emergency.
And maybe make the track run from NJ to California, because you never
know what's going to happen. I don't know why they even get in these
cars in the first place, when they could just use a remote control
from the pits to run these things. RC racing has been around for
decades, after all. They don't even need to have physical cars, they
could just do it with XBox. Sure, a couple guys have died from playing
video games for days nonstop, and the flashing images can cause
epileptic fits, but we can't make racing completely safe, can we?
And of course John Force, who obviously did not know that drag racing
was dangerous, will make Ashley stop racing. Sometimes it takes a
tragedy like this to wake people up. If John Force makes Ashley stop
racing, at least Scott Kalitta's death will not have been in vain...
John and Ashley Force know, as well as every drag racer, and every
racer of "stock" cars, pointy-nosed cars, planes, boats, bicycles,
motorcycles, ice skates, feet, and wheelchairs, that racing is
dangerous, with risks that run up to and include death. Scott Kalitta
knew it. And even though he didn't expect to die yesterday, he
accepted that it was a possibility, and he got in that race car
anyway. That doesn't mean that he deserved to die, but that's what
happened. Anyone that races cars at 300 mph for a living is not going
to have a sudden realization that they could die doing it. They
already know that. That risk is a part of their lives.
--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if
you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around
your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>"Ask even the most casual of motor sports fans who the biggest name in
>drag racing is and you are almost always sure to hear one name – Don
>“The Snake” Prudhomme. A true legend of the sport,
>Along the way, Prudhomme reached many important milestones and broke
>several barriers in the sport.
>*******
>Overrreactionists on RASN are much more knowledgeable about drag
>racing than this guy.
I don't think anyone is questioning his racing credentials.
But that doesn't mean he is an authority on track design.
Anymore than Dale Earnhardt was an authority on the
proper way to mount seatbealts....
Often times, until there is an issue with something,
the simplest things, after the fact, are so obvious..
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>"Ask even the most casual of motor sports fans who the biggest name in
>drag racing is and you are almost always sure to hear one name – Don
>“The Snake” Prudhomme. A true legend of the sport,
>Along the way, Prudhomme reached many important milestones and broke
>several barriers in the sport.
>*******
>Overrreactionists on RASN are much more knowledgeable about drag
>racing than this guy.
I don't think anyone is questioning his racing credentials.
But that doesn't mean he is an authority on track design.
Anymore than Dale Earnhardt was an authority on the
proper way to mount seatbealts....
Often times, until there is an issue with something,
the simplest things, after the fact, are so obvious..
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:18:42 GMT, chuck steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:
>In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>>"Ask even the most casual of motor sports fans who the biggest name in
>>drag racing is and you are almost always sure to hear one name – Don
>>“The Snake” Prudhomme. A true legend of the sport,
>
>>Along the way, Prudhomme reached many important milestones and broke
>>several barriers in the sport.
>>*******
>
>>Overrreactionists on RASN are much more knowledgeable about drag
>>racing than this guy.
>
>I don't think anyone is questioning his racing credentials.
>But that doesn't mean he is an authority on track design.
>Anymore than Dale Earnhardt was an authority on the
>proper way to mount seatbealts....
Neither one is rocket science.
>Often times, until there is an issue with something,
>the simplest things, after the fact, are so obvious..
Huh?
--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if
you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around
your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:18:42 GMT, chuck steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:
>In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>>"Ask even the most casual of motor sports fans who the biggest name in
>>drag racing is and you are almost always sure to hear one name – Don
>>“The Snake” Prudhomme. A true legend of the sport,
>
>>Along the way, Prudhomme reached many important milestones and broke
>>several barriers in the sport.
>>*******
>
>>Overrreactionists on RASN are much more knowledgeable about drag
>>racing than this guy.
>
>I don't think anyone is questioning his racing credentials.
>But that doesn't mean he is an authority on track design.
>Anymore than Dale Earnhardt was an authority on the
>proper way to mount seatbealts....
Neither one is rocket science.
>Often times, until there is an issue with something,
>the simplest things, after the fact, are so obvious..
Huh?
--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if
you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around
your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:18:42 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
>wrote:
>>Often times, until there is an issue with something,
>>the simplest things, after the fact, are so obvious..
>Huh?
eg:
It's easier to notice that the shutdown area is too short,
after someone proves it.
they have been running there for decades, and no one
ever pointed that out until yesterday.
No one ever pointed out that it was possible for a
stock car to crash into the end of a wall that was protruding
at an emergency cutout, until Gordon smacked it.
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:18:42 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
>wrote:
>>Often times, until there is an issue with something,
>>the simplest things, after the fact, are so obvious..
>Huh?
eg:
It's easier to notice that the shutdown area is too short,
after someone proves it.
they have been running there for decades, and no one
ever pointed that out until yesterday.
No one ever pointed out that it was possible for a
stock car to crash into the end of a wall that was protruding
at an emergency cutout, until Gordon smacked it.
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:00:39 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:
>eg:
>It's easier to notice that the shutdown area is too short,
>after someone proves it.
How much longer does it need to be? At 300mph, a car can travel quite
a distance in a short amount of time. A fast moving car with a
parachute problem and an impaired or unconscious driver needs how much
room before the situation is no longer dangerous? I don't care how
long or wide you try to make the track, you are going to run out of
real estate and fans before you can eliminate the possibility of this
from occurring.
>they have been running there for decades, and no one
>ever pointed that out until yesterday.
If they have been racing there for decades, thousands of races that
is, and this did not become a problem until yesterday, then the track
is long enough. But if you want to make drag racing safer, you
probably do not need to start at the length of the track. You can
start with some of the other ways I mentioned previously in this
thread. Or how about making the track wider? Or maybe run only one car
at a time. They are running against the clock, after all. Having two
cars running side by side introduces an unnecessary element of risk,
doesn't it?
So drag racing can be one car, driving a quarter mile, in a box about
3 miles square, or maybe 10. It will be much safer that way, won't it?
Of course, nobody will watch, but nobody will get hurt, either. Well,
probably not, but as each situation comes along where someone gets
hurt, we can eliminate that problem, too. Why are they bothering,
anyway? What's the point in raciing in the first place? Maybe instead
of going fast, they should just try to drive stylishly or something.
>No one ever pointed out that it was possible for a
>stock car to crash into the end of a wall that was protruding
>at an emergency cutout, until Gordon smacked it.
Tell that to Steve Park, or anyone else that has crashed hard into the
interior wall. Gordon wasn't the first to do it, you know.
>Dan
>****************************************
>When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
>you really don't have much of a choice...
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:00:39 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:
>eg:
>It's easier to notice that the shutdown area is too short,
>after someone proves it.
How much longer does it need to be? At 300mph, a car can travel quite
a distance in a short amount of time. A fast moving car with a
parachute problem and an impaired or unconscious driver needs how much
room before the situation is no longer dangerous? I don't care how
long or wide you try to make the track, you are going to run out of
real estate and fans before you can eliminate the possibility of this
from occurring.
>they have been running there for decades, and no one
>ever pointed that out until yesterday.
If they have been racing there for decades, thousands of races that
is, and this did not become a problem until yesterday, then the track
is long enough. But if you want to make drag racing safer, you
probably do not need to start at the length of the track. You can
start with some of the other ways I mentioned previously in this
thread. Or how about making the track wider? Or maybe run only one car
at a time. They are running against the clock, after all. Having two
cars running side by side introduces an unnecessary element of risk,
doesn't it?
So drag racing can be one car, driving a quarter mile, in a box about
3 miles square, or maybe 10. It will be much safer that way, won't it?
Of course, nobody will watch, but nobody will get hurt, either. Well,
probably not, but as each situation comes along where someone gets
hurt, we can eliminate that problem, too. Why are they bothering,
anyway? What's the point in raciing in the first place? Maybe instead
of going fast, they should just try to drive stylishly or something.
>No one ever pointed out that it was possible for a
>stock car to crash into the end of a wall that was protruding
>at an emergency cutout, until Gordon smacked it.
Tell that to Steve Park, or anyone else that has crashed hard into the
interior wall. Gordon wasn't the first to do it, you know.
>Dan
>****************************************
>When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
>you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>Or maybe run only one car
>at a time. They are running against the clock, after all.
Actually when they race, the clock doesn't matter,
it's the first car to cross the finish line....
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>Or maybe run only one car
>at a time. They are running against the clock, after all.
Actually when they race, the clock doesn't matter,
it's the first car to cross the finish line....
Dan
****************************************
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Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:48:41 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:
>In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>>Or maybe run only one car
>>at a time. They are running against the clock, after all.
>
>Actually when they race, the clock doesn't matter,
>it's the first car to cross the finish line....
I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
time, why not use the clock?
Finally, what other change could NHRA possibly make to improve safety
that would be more effective? I know it would be boring, and you
probably couldn't call it racing with a straight face, but if it saves
just one driver...
--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if
you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around
your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:48:41 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
wrote:
>In article ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>>Or maybe run only one car
>>at a time. They are running against the clock, after all.
>
>Actually when they race, the clock doesn't matter,
>it's the first car to cross the finish line....
I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
time, why not use the clock?
Finally, what other change could NHRA possibly make to improve safety
that would be more effective? I know it would be boring, and you
probably couldn't call it racing with a straight face, but if it saves
just one driver...
--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if
you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around
your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
In article , ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:48:41 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
>wrote:
>>Actually when they race, the clock doesn't matter,
>>it's the first car to cross the finish line....
>I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
>competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
>And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
>time, why not use the clock?
Just for clarification, in case you are not that familiar
with how it works...
During qualifying, (time trials) there is no winner or loser.
The cars with the fastest times, are seeded.
During eliminations (the actual racing) the car that crosses
the line first, is the winner.
No... he would not "have" to have the fastest time.
If a car leaves a fraction of a second, before the other,
he can run a slower time, but still cross the line first...
So... in that case (a hole shot win) the winner has a slower
elapsed time....
There were several wins yesterday, that were "holeshot" wins.
The winner had a slower elapsed time, but a faster reaction
time to the green "go" light... Therefore crossing the finish line first..
Dan
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In article , ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:48:41 GMT, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak)
>wrote:
>>Actually when they race, the clock doesn't matter,
>>it's the first car to cross the finish line....
>I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
>competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
>And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
>time, why not use the clock?
Just for clarification, in case you are not that familiar
with how it works...
During qualifying, (time trials) there is no winner or loser.
The cars with the fastest times, are seeded.
During eliminations (the actual racing) the car that crosses
the line first, is the winner.
No... he would not "have" to have the fastest time.
If a car leaves a fraction of a second, before the other,
he can run a slower time, but still cross the line first...
So... in that case (a hole shot win) the winner has a slower
elapsed time....
There were several wins yesterday, that were "holeshot" wins.
The winner had a slower elapsed time, but a faster reaction
time to the green "go" light... Therefore crossing the finish line first..
Dan
****************************************
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you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:36:49 GMT, ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
>competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
There's always an even number of competitors. Only 16 cars qualify in the pro
classes. In the rare event there's less than 16, one car would make a solo run
in the first round. I don't ever remember there being less than 16 show up for
a national event.
>
>And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
>time, why not use the clock?
Sometimes the car with the slower time wins. A driver can have a slow reaction
time to the light, start after the other car, run a faster time, but lose.
>
>Finally, what other change could NHRA possibly make to improve safety
>that would be more effective? I know it would be boring, and you
>probably couldn't call it racing with a straight face, but if it saves
>just one driver...
They could mandate longer runoff areas & better safety nets, which would put
some tracks out of business if they couldn't get the necessary land, or zoning.
Or, they could shorten the race to 1,000 feet, which would go completely against
all tradition, but would lower terminal speeds. To mandate shielding to prevent
engine parts from exploding into the driver's compartment would make the cars
extremely heavy. There's no real way to make racing 100% safe.
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:36:49 GMT, ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
>competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
There's always an even number of competitors. Only 16 cars qualify in the pro
classes. In the rare event there's less than 16, one car would make a solo run
in the first round. I don't ever remember there being less than 16 show up for
a national event.
>
>And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
>time, why not use the clock?
Sometimes the car with the slower time wins. A driver can have a slow reaction
time to the light, start after the other car, run a faster time, but lose.
>
>Finally, what other change could NHRA possibly make to improve safety
>that would be more effective? I know it would be boring, and you
>probably couldn't call it racing with a straight face, but if it saves
>just one driver...
They could mandate longer runoff areas & better safety nets, which would put
some tracks out of business if they couldn't get the necessary land, or zoning.
Or, they could shorten the race to 1,000 feet, which would go completely against
all tradition, but would lower terminal speeds. To mandate shielding to prevent
engine parts from exploding into the driver's compartment would make the cars
extremely heavy. There's no real way to make racing 100% safe.
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Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video
David Starr wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:36:49 GMT, ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>> I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
>> competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
>
> There's always an even number of competitors. Only 16 cars qualify
> in the pro classes. In the rare event there's less than 16, one car
> would make a solo run in the first round. I don't ever remember
> there being less than 16 show up for a national event.
>>
>> And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
>> time, why not use the clock?
>
> Sometimes the car with the slower time wins. A driver can have a
> slow reaction time to the light, start after the other car, run a
> faster time, but lose.
>>
>> Finally, what other change could NHRA possibly make to improve safety
>> that would be more effective? I know it would be boring, and you
>> probably couldn't call it racing with a straight face, but if it
>> saves just one driver...
>
> They could mandate longer runoff areas & better safety nets, which
> would put some tracks out of business if they couldn't get the
> necessary land, or zoning. Or, they could shorten the race to 1,000
> feet, which would go completely against all tradition, but would
> lower terminal speeds. To mandate shielding to prevent engine parts
> from exploding into the driver's compartment would make the cars
> extremely heavy. There's no real way to make racing 100% safe.
I see quite a few tracks closing shortly if the major sanctioning bodies
mandate longer shut-off areas.
Hell, they could try banning nitro again and shitcan two entire
major classes.
David Starr wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:36:49 GMT, ~M~ <mwillnotread@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>> I don't have a rulebook, but if there is an uneven number of
>> competitors in an event, doesn't one of them run alone?
>
> There's always an even number of competitors. Only 16 cars qualify
> in the pro classes. In the rare event there's less than 16, one car
> would make a solo run in the first round. I don't ever remember
> there being less than 16 show up for a national event.
>>
>> And, since the first to cross the line would also have the quickest
>> time, why not use the clock?
>
> Sometimes the car with the slower time wins. A driver can have a
> slow reaction time to the light, start after the other car, run a
> faster time, but lose.
>>
>> Finally, what other change could NHRA possibly make to improve safety
>> that would be more effective? I know it would be boring, and you
>> probably couldn't call it racing with a straight face, but if it
>> saves just one driver...
>
> They could mandate longer runoff areas & better safety nets, which
> would put some tracks out of business if they couldn't get the
> necessary land, or zoning. Or, they could shorten the race to 1,000
> feet, which would go completely against all tradition, but would
> lower terminal speeds. To mandate shielding to prevent engine parts
> from exploding into the driver's compartment would make the cars
> extremely heavy. There's no real way to make racing 100% safe.
I see quite a few tracks closing shortly if the major sanctioning bodies
mandate longer shut-off areas.
Hell, they could try banning nitro again and shitcan two entire
major classes.
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