JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

On Jul 1, 2:39 pm, "armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> "Crusader" <cru...@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>
> news:6cv71iF1acjU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> >I interpreted JPM's admitting to wrecking KyB as the reason for
> > the penalty & possibly more penalties to come.
> > --
> > Crusader
>
> I think Nascar, or anyone else for that matter, did not need JPM's
> confession to know that his actions were deliberately reckless(wreckfull?).

I believe the point here is, he wrecks KyB, he is penalized 2 laps,
end of story, right? Nope. JPM says in his post race interview that he
did it on purpose, *then* he is called to the oval office.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

On Jul 1, 2:00 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:39 pm, "armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > "Crusader" <cru...@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>
> >news:6cv71iF1acjU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> > >I interpreted JPM's admitting to wrecking KyB as the reason for
> > > the penalty & possibly more penalties to come.
> > > --
> > > Crusader
>
> > I think Nascar, or anyone else for that matter, did not need JPM's
> > confession to know that his actions were deliberately reckless(wreckfull?).
>
> I believe the point here is, he wrecks KyB, he is penalized 2 laps,
> end of story, right? Nope. JPM says in his post race interview that he
> did it on purpose, *then* he is called to the oval office.

They took his laps away AFTER he was called to the trailer, and then
Nascar officials said there would be no further penalties. Just FYI.

N.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

On Jul 1, 4:38 pm, Nancy2 <nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:00 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2:39 pm, "armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > "Crusader" <cru...@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>
> > >news:6cv71iF1acjU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> > > >I interpreted JPM's admitting to wrecking KyB as the reason for
> > > > the penalty & possibly more penalties to come.
> > > > --
> > > > Crusader
>
> > > I think Nascar, or anyone else for that matter, did not need JPM's
> > > confession to know that his actions were deliberately reckless(wreckfull?).
>
> > I believe the point here is, he wrecks KyB, he is penalized 2 laps,
> > end of story, right? Nope. JPM says in his post race interview that he
> > did it on purpose, *then* he is called to the oval office.
>
> They took his laps away AFTER he was called to the trailer, and then
> Nascar officials said there would be no further penalties.  Just FYI.
>
> N.

OK, just going by what you wrote earlier in this thread "JPM was
penalized on the spot with a 2-lap loss ... ended up 34th and KuBu was
25th"

I thought you meant, ON, the spot, not after the visit to the oval
office.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

On Jul 1, 6:22 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
wrote:
> On Jul 1, 4:38 pm, Nancy2 <nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > On Jul 1, 2:00 pm, TS02 05champ <tonystewart02 05ch...@yahoo,com >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 2:39 pm, "armpit" <armarmpit...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > "Crusader" <cru...@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>
> > > >news:6cv71iF1acjU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> > > > >I interpreted JPM's admitting to wrecking KyB as the reason for
> > > > > the penalty & possibly more penalties to come.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Crusader
>
> > > > I think Nascar, or anyone else for that matter, did not need JPM's
> > > > confession to know that his actions were deliberately reckless(wreckfull?).
>
> > > I believe the point here is, he wrecks KyB, he is penalized 2 laps,
> > > end of story, right? Nope. JPM says in his post race interview that he
> > > did it on purpose, *then* he is called to the oval office.
>
> > They took his laps away AFTER he was called to the trailer, and then
> > Nascar officials said there would be no further penalties.  Just FYI.
>
> > N.
>
> OK, just going by what you wrote earlier in this thread "JPM was
> penalized on the spot with a 2-lap loss ... ended up 34th and KuBu was
> 25th"
>
> I thought you meant, ON, the spot, not after the visit to the oval
> office.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Sorry - no, I said "on the spot," meaning at the track, and not "next
Tuesday." ;-)

N.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

On Jul 1, 12:14 pm, "Crusader" <cru...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> I interpreted JPM's admitting to wrecking KyB as the reason for
> the penalty & possibly more penalties to come.
> --
> Crusader
>
>
>
> "Chuck Steak" <chuck st...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:zwcak.102$P11.24@trndny06...
> > In article  "Crusader" <cru...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
>
> >>Don't know about drivers pitchin in money, but i for one applaud JPM
> >>for his honesty on camera. I am disappointed once again with NA$CAr
> >>for going back on their pre-season word of letting drivers show
> >>their personalities.
> >>CRU
>
> > Did they say that part of that personality business was
> > wrecking people?
> > just askin'...
>
> > Dan
> > ****************************************
> > When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
> > you really don't have much of a choice...- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

No more penalties, according to what Nascar said after they took his
laps away in the trailer after the race.

N.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, "Fred Lorenzen" <fearless-freddie
$camoufla...@mchsi,com > wrote:
> Finally a NASCAR Driver has had enough of Kyle Bush's BullShit and isn't
> afraid to give Kyle Bush a wake up call and inform him that Drivers (and
> others) are tired of is his crap.
>
> If NASCAR in their "Wisdom" should decide to take any monetary disciplinary
> action against JPM I am sure ALL the other NASCAR Drivers would pitch in pay
> JPM's monetary Fine.
>
> Fred

Kevin Harvick on Line 1 for Kyle Busch to help pay HIS fine (remember
Watkins Glen, 07?)
Sandy, THT

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.


"Sandy, THT" <sandrabrown_509@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:f8947df4-6570-4f3e-ac96-242ecf24e3c4@m36g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, "Fred Lorenzen" <fearless-freddie
$camoufla...@mchsi,com > wrote:
> Finally a NASCAR Driver has had enough of Kyle Bush's BullShit and isn't
> afraid to give Kyle Bush a wake up call and inform him that Drivers (and
> others) are tired of is his crap.
>
> If NASCAR in their "Wisdom" should decide to take any monetary
disciplinary
> action against JPM I am sure ALL the other NASCAR Drivers would pitch in
pay
> JPM's monetary Fine.
>
> Fred

Kevin Harvick on Line 1 for Kyle Busch to help pay HIS fine (remember
Watkins Glen, 07?)


I'd imagine that the consensus amongst most Na$car regulars is that Montoya
is more of a wreck waiting to happen than KyB is.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

>
> I'd imagine that the consensus amongst most Na$car regulars is that Montoya
> is more of a wreck waiting to happen than KyB is.


That depends, I think, on where KyBu is running. Since he's been
running up front for most of 2008, there haven't been a lot of
incidents related to him running over or into his competition, to make
them get out of his way.

But that was certainly his method last year, and I saw the same thing
with the JPM deal. I don't think he's matured as much as I thought he
had.

N.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.


"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
news:c5b708dc-30b1-4a41-adb7-304edbc10851@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups,com ...
> >
> > I'd imagine that the consensus amongst most Na$car regulars is that
Montoya
> > is more of a wreck waiting to happen than KyB is.
>
>
> That depends, I think, on where KyBu is running. Since he's been
> running up front for most of 2008, there haven't been a lot of
> incidents related to him running over or into his competition, to make
> them get out of his way.
>
> But that was certainly his method last year, and I saw the same thing
> with the JPM deal. I don't think he's matured as much as I thought he
> had.
>
You may be right, but what Montoya did during that caution could have taken
several cars out of action that had absolutely nothing to do with his &
KyB's little spat.
It was a stupid, dangerous, & selfish thing to do.
I watched that replay several times over & was amazed that no one else was
dragged into that melee.
What Montoya did only cemented in my mind more securely what I had already
thought of him - he's a tool.

Re: JPM should lose points - and pay a fine.

"Mike/Speeed" <speeedracerREMOVE24@verizon,net > wrote in message
news:x4wak.421$bn3.385@trnddc07...
> "Nancy2" <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
> news:c5b708dc-30b1-4a41-adb7-304edbc10851@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups,com ...
>> > I'd imagine that the consensus amongst most Na$car regulars is that
> Montoya is more of a wreck waiting to happen than KyB is.
>>
>> That depends, I think, on where KyBu is running. Since he's been
>> running up front for most of 2008, there haven't been a lot of
>> incidents related to him running over or into his competition, to make
>> them get out of his way.
>>
>> But that was certainly his method last year, and I saw the same thing
>> with the JPM deal. I don't think he's matured as much as I thought he had.
>>
> You may be right, but what Montoya did during that caution could have taken
> several cars out of action that had absolutely nothing to do with his &
> KyB's little spat.
> It was a stupid, dangerous, & selfish thing to do.
> I watched that replay several times over & was amazed that no one else was
> dragged into that melee.
> What Montoya did only cemented in my mind more securely what I had already
> thought of him - he's a tool.
>
>
Has Kyle Busch Finally Met His Match?
Tuesday, July 1, 2008
By Allen Madding Insider Racing News

Kyle Busch has been on a metal crumpling, competitor spinning tear
as of late and so far NASCAR has left his tantrum fest unchecked.
Busch took out Johnny Benson in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series
Kroger 250 at Martinsville Speedway in April to capture a 2nd place
finish while NASCAR set silent. He tied up with Steven Wallace in
the NASCAR Nationwide Series Lipton Tea 250 at Richmond requiring
team members to intervene. At Michigan, Busch spun Ron Hornaday on
the final lap for fourth position in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck
Series Cool City Customs 200,

and again, NASCAR watched silently calculating the net effect of drama for television
audience draw
perhaps. To date, NASCAR has done little to curb Busch’s temper or
to deter him from his over aggressive driving methods.
It has appeared to many that Busch can intentionally crash any
competitor without any corrective action from the sanctioning body.

Many in the garage have said that it would require retribution from
other drivers in all three of NASCAR’s top series to effectively
give the youngster an attitude adjustment.
CRU--IAWTP