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Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
In article Roger Hamilton <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote:
>Measures taken at the other
>end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
>safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
>short the fans and sport.
But it does add 320 more feet to the shut down area...
The big deal with that area, is that you can't have concrete
protrusions in it..
Dan
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In article Roger Hamilton <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote:
>Measures taken at the other
>end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
>safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
>short the fans and sport.
But it does add 320 more feet to the shut down area...
The big deal with that area, is that you can't have concrete
protrusions in it..
Dan
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you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:yhobk.237$wa1.153
@trndny07:
> In article Roger Hamilton <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote:
>
>>Measures taken at the other
>>end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
>>safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
>>short the fans and sport.
>
> But it does add 320 more feet to the shut down area...
And, while that wouldn't have helped Kalitta, having a little more
space to slow down, and a little less speed to loose to start with,
would have lessened the injury in a more typical incident.
> The big deal with that area, is that you can't have concrete
> protrusions in it..
Exactly. If the plan is to have a catch net, then the only thing
which a car should be able to run into should be the net, not the
pole which holds the net. Hopefully that's also on the NHRA's
list of things to improve (altho, again, I don't think that would
have helped Kalitta).
Rather like the SAFER barrier, which took 3 or 4 years to develop,
I doubt the NHRA can find a permanent fix without taking some
time to engineer it.
John
chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:yhobk.237$wa1.153
@trndny07:
> In article Roger Hamilton <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote:
>
>>Measures taken at the other
>>end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
>>safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
>>short the fans and sport.
>
> But it does add 320 more feet to the shut down area...
And, while that wouldn't have helped Kalitta, having a little more
space to slow down, and a little less speed to loose to start with,
would have lessened the injury in a more typical incident.
> The big deal with that area, is that you can't have concrete
> protrusions in it..
Exactly. If the plan is to have a catch net, then the only thing
which a car should be able to run into should be the net, not the
pole which holds the net. Hopefully that's also on the NHRA's
list of things to improve (altho, again, I don't think that would
have helped Kalitta).
Rather like the SAFER barrier, which took 3 or 4 years to develop,
I doubt the NHRA can find a permanent fix without taking some
time to engineer it.
John
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"Roger Hamilton" <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:56:29 -0400, "Obscured by Clouds"
> <none@spam,com > wrote:
>
>>
>><thenitedude@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>>news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>>> http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>>
>>YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
>>that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
>>
>
> Not the answer, not at all. It appears death was unavoidable due to
> the nature of the incident. These cars are under such stress at all
> points travel it could have happened off the line or at the end.
> Tracks built years earlier to handle much slower speeds are definitely
> capable of handling today's 300+ speeds. Measures taken at the other
> end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
> safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
> short the fans and sport.
>
But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen BEFORE the
1000ft mark.
So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
"Roger Hamilton" <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote in message
news:e55r64heelmasligeqn6uma6bqkagbchhh@4ax,com ...
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:56:29 -0400, "Obscured by Clouds"
> <none@spam,com > wrote:
>
>>
>><thenitedude@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>>news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>>> http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>>
>>YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
>>that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
>>
>
> Not the answer, not at all. It appears death was unavoidable due to
> the nature of the incident. These cars are under such stress at all
> points travel it could have happened off the line or at the end.
> Tracks built years earlier to handle much slower speeds are definitely
> capable of handling today's 300+ speeds. Measures taken at the other
> end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
> safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
> short the fans and sport.
>
But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen BEFORE the
1000ft mark.
So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message news:lIydnS_EAc1KZvPVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
> "Roger Hamilton" <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote in message
> news:e55r64heelmasligeqn6uma6bqkagbchhh@4ax,com ...
>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:56:29 -0400, "Obscured by Clouds"
>> <none@spam,com > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><thenitedude@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>>>news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>>>> http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>>>
>>>YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
>>>that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
>>>
>>
>> Not the answer, not at all. It appears death was unavoidable due to
>> the nature of the incident. These cars are under such stress at all
>> points travel it could have happened off the line or at the end.
>> Tracks built years earlier to handle much slower speeds are definitely
>> capable of handling today's 300+ speeds. Measures taken at the other
>> end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
>> safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
>> short the fans and sport.
>>
But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen AFTER the
1000ft mark.
So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
<fixed>
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message news:lIydnS_EAc1KZvPVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
> "Roger Hamilton" <noemail@deademail.tyx> wrote in message
> news:e55r64heelmasligeqn6uma6bqkagbchhh@4ax,com ...
>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:56:29 -0400, "Obscured by Clouds"
>> <none@spam,com > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><thenitedude@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>>>news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>>>> http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>>>
>>>YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
>>>that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
>>>
>>
>> Not the answer, not at all. It appears death was unavoidable due to
>> the nature of the incident. These cars are under such stress at all
>> points travel it could have happened off the line or at the end.
>> Tracks built years earlier to handle much slower speeds are definitely
>> capable of handling today's 300+ speeds. Measures taken at the other
>> end of the tracks will be the most measureable improvements for
>> safety. Shortening the distance to 1000 does nothing of value except
>> short the fans and sport.
>>
But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen AFTER the
1000ft mark.
So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
<fixed>
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine
> explosions happen AFTER the
> 1000ft mark.
> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be
> here today.
> <fixed>
>
Earlier you posted the following:
> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine
> explosions happen BEFORE the 1000ft mark.
> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be
> here today.
Troll.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine
> explosions happen AFTER the
> 1000ft mark.
> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be
> here today.
> <fixed>
>
Earlier you posted the following:
> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine
> explosions happen BEFORE the 1000ft mark.
> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be
> here today.
Troll.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote in message
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>
> "w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message news:1tmdnSdU55s4YPPVnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink,com ...
>
>> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen AFTER the
>> 1000ft mark.
>> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
>> <fixed>
>>
>
> Earlier you posted the following:
>
>> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen BEFORE the
>> 1000ft mark.
>> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
>
>
> Troll.
>
It was fixed .... usenet cop.
....and speaking of trolls.....
How did you manage to avoid my KF???
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote in message
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>
> "w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message news:1tmdnSdU55s4YPPVnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink,com ...
>
>> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen AFTER the
>> 1000ft mark.
>> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
>> <fixed>
>>
>
> Earlier you posted the following:
>
>> But..... Some NHRA drivers have stated that the majority of engine explosions happen BEFORE the
>> 1000ft mark.
>> So maybe Scott's motor wouldn't have blown up and maybe he would still be here today.
>
>
> Troll.
>
It was fixed .... usenet cop.
....and speaking of trolls.....
How did you manage to avoid my KF???
--
"....This is not a stick and ball sport....You just don't go 'play' racing......"
(Brad Daugherty - ESPN)
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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>>
>
> It was fixed .... usenet cop.
It was fixed? Usenet cop? You post those two messages and call someone
else a cop? Piece of work.
> ....and speaking of trolls.....
> How did you manage to avoid my KF???
Don't know - better see what you've done wrong because I haven't changed
anything in the way I post.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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>>
>
> It was fixed .... usenet cop.
It was fixed? Usenet cop? You post those two messages and call someone
else a cop? Piece of work.
> ....and speaking of trolls.....
> How did you manage to avoid my KF???
Don't know - better see what you've done wrong because I haven't changed
anything in the way I post.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
On Jul 3, 10:56 pm, "Obscured by Clouds" <n...@spam,com > wrote:
> <thenited...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>
> YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
> that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
At what point did his engine blow? Was it after 1000 ft?
On Jul 3, 10:56 pm, "Obscured by Clouds" <n...@spam,com > wrote:
> <thenited...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>
> YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
> that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
At what point did his engine blow? Was it after 1000 ft?
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewart02_05champ@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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On Jul 3, 10:56 pm, "Obscured by Clouds" <n...@spam,com > wrote:
> <thenited...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>
> YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
> that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
At what point did his engine blow? Was it after 1000 ft?
======================================
Yeah, it was right at the 1/4 mile mark. But if they had been racing 1000
ft., then his car & engine would have been set up differently, so it could
have blown up at the line anyway.
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewart02_05champ@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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On Jul 3, 10:56 pm, "Obscured by Clouds" <n...@spam,com > wrote:
> <thenited...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:13ac05fe-56ea-4c74-8850-4ebdc774cadb@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > http :// www .charlotte,com /sports/story/697244.html
>
> YAY! Had this been in place a few weeks ago, Scott Kalitta would have hit
> that concrete wall at 290mph instead of 300mph. Good thinking!
At what point did his engine blow? Was it after 1000 ft?
======================================
Yeah, it was right at the 1/4 mile mark. But if they had been racing 1000
ft., then his car & engine would have been set up differently, so it could
have blown up at the line anyway.
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
Concerning Scott Kalitta's fatal Funny Car accident running 1000 Feet
instead of 1320 Feet would have done NOTHING to prevent the fatal accident.
Running 320 Feet less would have not prevented anything that happened.
What would have possibly prevented the tragic accident would have not had a
steel rebar enforced concrete pole firmly planted at the end of the safety
run off area and a large cheery picker parked at the end of the safety run
off area.
Hind sight is always a valuable asset but an off the mark knee jerk reaction
of running only 1000 Feet runs will not do anything to remove the obvious
deadly hazards from the safety run off area.
Fred
Concerning Scott Kalitta's fatal Funny Car accident running 1000 Feet
instead of 1320 Feet would have done NOTHING to prevent the fatal accident.
Running 320 Feet less would have not prevented anything that happened.
What would have possibly prevented the tragic accident would have not had a
steel rebar enforced concrete pole firmly planted at the end of the safety
run off area and a large cheery picker parked at the end of the safety run
off area.
Hind sight is always a valuable asset but an off the mark knee jerk reaction
of running only 1000 Feet runs will not do anything to remove the obvious
deadly hazards from the safety run off area.
Fred
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"Fred Lorenzen" <fearless-freddie$camouflage$@mchsi,com > wrote in message
news:REtbk.184084$TT4.141607@attbi_s22...
> Concerning Scott Kalitta's fatal Funny Car accident running 1000 Feet instead of 1320 Feet would
> have done NOTHING to prevent the fatal accident. Running 320 Feet less would have not prevented
> anything that happened.
>
> What would have possibly prevented the tragic accident would have not had a steel rebar enforced
> concrete pole firmly planted at the end of the safety run off area and a large cheery picker
> parked at the end of the safety run off area.
>
> Hind sight is always a valuable asset but an off the mark knee jerk reaction of running only 1000
> Feet runs will not do anything to remove the obvious deadly hazards from the safety run off area.
>
> Fred
>
Most of their engines explode AFTER the 1000 ft mark.
Had they been running to 1000 ft at Englishtown, Scott's engine wouldn't have exploded and he
wouldn't have run off the end of the track.
"Fred Lorenzen" <fearless-freddie$camouflage$@mchsi,com > wrote in message
news:REtbk.184084$TT4.141607@attbi_s22...
> Concerning Scott Kalitta's fatal Funny Car accident running 1000 Feet instead of 1320 Feet would
> have done NOTHING to prevent the fatal accident. Running 320 Feet less would have not prevented
> anything that happened.
>
> What would have possibly prevented the tragic accident would have not had a steel rebar enforced
> concrete pole firmly planted at the end of the safety run off area and a large cheery picker
> parked at the end of the safety run off area.
>
> Hind sight is always a valuable asset but an off the mark knee jerk reaction of running only 1000
> Feet runs will not do anything to remove the obvious deadly hazards from the safety run off area.
>
> Fred
>
Most of their engines explode AFTER the 1000 ft mark.
Had they been running to 1000 ft at Englishtown, Scott's engine wouldn't have exploded and he
wouldn't have run off the end of the track.
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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> Most of their engines explode AFTER the 1000 ft mark.
> Had they been running to 1000 ft at Englishtown, Scott's engine wouldn't
> have exploded and he wouldn't have run off the end of the track.
But remember, the engine, transmission, etc. are tuned to run 1/4 mile. If
the track is shortened, then the tuning is changed. It is all a matter of
scale.
Carey in Manvel
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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> Most of their engines explode AFTER the 1000 ft mark.
> Had they been running to 1000 ft at Englishtown, Scott's engine wouldn't
> have exploded and he wouldn't have run off the end of the track.
But remember, the engine, transmission, etc. are tuned to run 1/4 mile. If
the track is shortened, then the tuning is changed. It is all a matter of
scale.
Carey in Manvel
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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>>
> Most of their engines explode AFTER the 1000 ft mark.
> Had they been running to 1000 ft at Englishtown, Scott's engine wouldn't
> have exploded and he wouldn't have run off the end of the track.
>
You can't assume that. The car would have been set up differently for a
1000 foot run and quite conceivably would have exploded at that point, just
the same as it did at 1320.
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"w81->" <and@counting,com > wrote in message
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>>
> Most of their engines explode AFTER the 1000 ft mark.
> Had they been running to 1000 ft at Englishtown, Scott's engine wouldn't
> have exploded and he wouldn't have run off the end of the track.
>
You can't assume that. The car would have been set up differently for a
1000 foot run and quite conceivably would have exploded at that point, just
the same as it did at 1320.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
In article "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>You can't assume that. The car would have been set up differently for a
>1000 foot run and quite conceivably would have exploded at that point, just
>the same as it did at 1320.
Not sure... about the setup.
The whole race is decided on the launch.
Drag racers are really big into the first couple hundred feet
(60' is a very significant one.. many feel the race is won or lost there).
I don't know, and maybe someone does, that the setup would be a whole
lot different for a 1000' run..
I think most of the clutch and timing magic is pretty much over at 1000.
Dan
****************************************
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In article "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>You can't assume that. The car would have been set up differently for a
>1000 foot run and quite conceivably would have exploded at that point, just
>the same as it did at 1320.
Not sure... about the setup.
The whole race is decided on the launch.
Drag racers are really big into the first couple hundred feet
(60' is a very significant one.. many feel the race is won or lost there).
I don't know, and maybe someone does, that the setup would be a whole
lot different for a 1000' run..
I think most of the clutch and timing magic is pretty much over at 1000.
Dan
****************************************
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you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: NHRA shortening fastest races...
"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak@nospam,com > wrote in message news:ArKbk.296$9W.253@trndny04...
> In article "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>
>>You can't assume that. The car would have been set up differently for a
>>1000 foot run and quite conceivably would have exploded at that point, just
>>the same as it did at 1320.
>
> Not sure... about the setup.
> The whole race is decided on the launch.
> Drag racers are really big into the first couple hundred feet
> (60' is a very significant one.. many feel the race is won or lost there).
> I don't know, and maybe someone does, that the setup would be a whole
> lot different for a 1000' run..
> I think most of the clutch and timing magic is pretty much over at 1000.
>
>
Yup....
With the current tire technology, clutch, and gear rules, they can't tune much better for 1000ft
performance than what they are doing right now.
They are riding the fine line between traction and their tires going up in smoke at the start.
"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak@nospam,com > wrote in message news:ArKbk.296$9W.253@trndny04...
> In article "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>
>>You can't assume that. The car would have been set up differently for a
>>1000 foot run and quite conceivably would have exploded at that point, just
>>the same as it did at 1320.
>
> Not sure... about the setup.
> The whole race is decided on the launch.
> Drag racers are really big into the first couple hundred feet
> (60' is a very significant one.. many feel the race is won or lost there).
> I don't know, and maybe someone does, that the setup would be a whole
> lot different for a 1000' run..
> I think most of the clutch and timing magic is pretty much over at 1000.
>
>
Yup....
With the current tire technology, clutch, and gear rules, they can't tune much better for 1000ft
performance than what they are doing right now.
They are riding the fine line between traction and their tires going up in smoke at the start.
