Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

>G< wrote:
> YooperBoyka wrote:
>> Chuck Steak wrote:
>>> In article jimmygator@gmail,com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was trying to bring out that even though the pointy cars are much
>>>> faster at every venue they compete at than ever before, even more
>>>> so that cup cars have increased in speeds for the most part, I've
>>>> never heard anyone mention the increase in speeds of the pointy
>>>> cars have made the tracks they compete at obsolete.
>>>
>>> Because they haven't..
>>> If you say "we have to slow these cars down
>>> by taking away a few hundred HP" at a track,
>>> then the cars have outgrown the track.
>>> So far... they have not done that with the IRL cars.
>>> (IIRC)
>>
>> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>> for as long as I can remember.
>
> NASCAR seems to be the only top tier race promoter that feels 200+ mph
> is a bad thing...

I agree.
Seems like the point was made that keeping the cars on the ground was
the big impetus behind the displacement cuts and the plates,
but that didn't really help.
The damn things flew anyway.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

In article "YooperBoyka" <cjdont@likeno.spam> wrote:
>Chuck Steak wrote:
>> In article jimmygator@gmail,com wrote:
>>
>>> I was trying to bring out that even though the pointy cars are much
>>> faster at every venue they compete at than ever before, even more so
>>> that cup cars have increased in speeds for the most part, I've never
>>> heard anyone mention the increase in speeds of the pointy cars have
>>> made the tracks they compete at obsolete.
>>
>> Because they haven't..
>> If you say "we have to slow these cars down
>> by taking away a few hundred HP" at a track,
>> then the cars have outgrown the track.
>> So far... they have not done that with the IRL cars.
>> (IIRC)


>They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>for as long as I can remember.

Yeah, but they still use the same engine at all tracks...
They didn't take 400HP away for the Indy 500....
NASCAR fiddles with the engines all the time too....


Dan
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Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

YooperBoyka wrote:
>
>
> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
> for as long as I can remember.


Since when is an IRL car turbocharged?

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Peaceful Bill wrote:
> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>
>>
>> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>> for as long as I can remember.
>
>
> Since when is an IRL car turbocharged?


Golly,...they were talking "pointy cars" IIRC,
(which would have been both CART and IRL if one is making
historical references)
(F1,...do they still race?)
so,...I rest my case.
Change is change.
*But*,...he was bemoaning the HP chop for specific tracks
(as only NASCAR feels the need to do)
so,...my point is moot.
Thanks for bein' patient.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

YooperBoyka wrote:
> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>>> for as long as I can remember.
>>
>>
>> Since when is an IRL car turbocharged?
>
>
> Golly,...they were talking "pointy cars" IIRC,
> (which would have been both CART and IRL if one is making
> historical references)
> (F1,...do they still race?)
> so,...I rest my case.
> Change is change.
> *But*,...he was bemoaning the HP chop for specific tracks
> (as only NASCAR feels the need to do)
> so,...my point is moot.
> Thanks for bein' patient.

Backed into a corner and proving yourself an imbecile, I would have
expected such an answer.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Peaceful Bill wrote:
> YooperBoyka wrote:
>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>>>> for as long as I can remember.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since when is an IRL car turbocharged?
>>
>>
>> Golly,...they were talking "pointy cars" IIRC,
>> (which would have been both CART and IRL if one is making
>> historical references)
>> (F1,...do they still race?)
>> so,...I rest my case.
>> Change is change.
>> *But*,...he was bemoaning the HP chop for specific tracks
>> (as only NASCAR feels the need to do)
>> so,...my point is moot.
>> Thanks for bein' patient.
>
> Backed into a corner and proving yourself an imbecile, I would have
> expected such an answer.

Go back and read the rest of the fuckin' thread, assmunch.

*This* was the question:
"using that same logic, which tracks frequented by open wheelers are now
obsolete?"

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

YooperBoyka wrote:
> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>>> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>>>>> for as long as I can remember.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since when is an IRL car turbocharged?
>>>
>>>
>>> Golly,...they were talking "pointy cars" IIRC,
>>> (which would have been both CART and IRL if one is making
>>> historical references)
>>> (F1,...do they still race?)
>>> so,...I rest my case.
>>> Change is change.
>>> *But*,...he was bemoaning the HP chop for specific tracks
>>> (as only NASCAR feels the need to do)
>>> so,...my point is moot.
>>> Thanks for bein' patient.
>>
>> Backed into a corner and proving yourself an imbecile, I would have
>> expected such an answer.
>
> Go back and read the rest of the fuckin' thread, assmunch.
>
> *This* was the question:
> "using that same logic, which tracks frequented by open wheelers are now
> obsolete?"
>

That wasn't your question. But since you've clearly got serious
clinical ADD, maybe you can't keep on topic very long. But I'll give
you the benefit of the doubt and consider that all those voices in your
head are actually directing your fingers on the keyboard.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Peaceful Bill wrote:
> YooperBoyka wrote:
>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>>>> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They've been fiddling with displacement and boost limits
>>>>>> for as long as I can remember.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since when is an IRL car turbocharged?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Golly,...they were talking "pointy cars" IIRC,
>>>> (which would have been both CART and IRL if one is making
>>>> historical references)
>>>> (F1,...do they still race?)
>>>> so,...I rest my case.
>>>> Change is change.
>>>> *But*,...he was bemoaning the HP chop for specific tracks
>>>> (as only NASCAR feels the need to do)
>>>> so,...my point is moot.
>>>> Thanks for bein' patient.
>>>
>>> Backed into a corner and proving yourself an imbecile, I would have
>>> expected such an answer.
>>
>> Go back and read the rest of the fuckin' thread, assmunch.
>>
>> *This* was the question:
>> "using that same logic, which tracks frequented by open wheelers are
>> now obsolete?"
>>
>
> That wasn't your question.

Don't read for comprehension very well, do you?
I didn't ask a fuckin' question in this sub-thread.

>But since you've clearly got serious
> clinical ADD, maybe you can't keep on topic very long.

Sweet,...a psychologist.
This should be fun.

> But I'll give
> you the benefit of the doubt and consider that all those voices in
> your head are actually directing your fingers on the keyboard.

Eight out of the ten voices in my head say "Don't shoot".
So,...let's play "juvenile flame fest" and you can meet the other two.
Or did you come here to actually talk racing?

Riiight.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

YooperBoyka wrote:
>
> Or did you come here to actually talk racing?
>

How many of those voices in your head know anything about racing?
Because based on your posts, it doesn't seem like there are any.

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Peaceful Bill wrote:
> YooperBoyka wrote:
>>
>> Or did you come here to actually talk racing?
>>
>
> How many of those voices in your head know anything about racing?
> Because based on your posts, it doesn't seem like there are any.


Please elucidate, Mario.
...'cause I don't recall anything but insult from any of your posts
to me.
(..."Peaceful"...what a hoot)

Ohhhhh,...I see,...,it 's that you think IRL is the be-all and end-all
of open wheel racing?*
Got it.

Let me know when you reach puberty, 'K?




*(The whole "IRL happened cuz they was too fast" part was fuckin' hilarious.)

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Chuck Steak wrote:
> In article jimmygator@gmail,com wrote:
>
>> I was trying to bring out that even though the pointy cars are much
>> faster at every venue they compete at than ever before, even more so
>> that cup cars have increased in speeds for the most part, I've never
>> heard anyone mention the increase in speeds of the pointy cars have made
>> the tracks they compete at obsolete.
>
> Because they haven't..
> If you say "we have to slow these cars down
> by taking away a few hundred HP" at a track,
> then the cars have outgrown the track.
> So far... they have not done that with the IRL cars.
> (IIRC)
>
>
> Dan
> ****************************************
> When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
> you really don't have much of a choice...
>

Personally, and its been discussed here infinitum, I feel NASCAR is
using the wrong method(s) to manage, what is perceived by some, to be an
issue of cars being too fast for some tracks.

--
>G< ©

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Jun 26, 11:11 am, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> In article jimmyga...@gmail,com wrote:
> >I was trying to bring out that even though the pointy cars are much
> >faster at every venue they compete at than ever before, even more so
> >that cup cars have increased in speeds for the most part, I've never
> >heard anyone mention the increase in speeds of the pointy cars have made
> >the tracks they compete at obsolete.
>
> Because they haven't..
> If you say "we have to slow these cars down
> by taking away a few hundred HP" at a track,
> then the cars have outgrown the track.
> So far... they have not done that with the IRL cars.
> (IIRC)
>
> Dan

http :// machinedesign,com /ContentItem/60431/Indypowerstruggle.aspx

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

TS02 05champ wrote:
> On Jun 26, 11:11 am, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
>> In article jimmyga...@gmail,com wrote:
>>> I was trying to bring out that even though the pointy cars are much
>>> faster at every venue they compete at than ever before, even more so
>>> that cup cars have increased in speeds for the most part, I've never
>>> heard anyone mention the increase in speeds of the pointy cars have
>>> made the tracks they compete at obsolete.
>>
>> Because they haven't..
>> If you say "we have to slow these cars down
>> by taking away a few hundred HP" at a track,
>> then the cars have outgrown the track.
>> So far... they have not done that with the IRL cars.
>> (IIRC)
>>
>> Dan
>
> http :// machinedesign,com /ContentItem/60431/Indypowerstruggle.aspx


...and that's kinda what I meant by "fiddling".

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote in
news:ykO8k.93$8c.89@trndny05:

> In article jimmygator@gmail,com wrote:
>
>>I was trying to bring out that even though the pointy cars are much
>>faster at every venue they compete at than ever before, even more so
>>that cup cars have increased in speeds for the most part, I've never
>>heard anyone mention the increase in speeds of the pointy cars have
>>made the tracks they compete at obsolete.
>
> Because they haven't..
> If you say "we have to slow these cars down
> by taking away a few hundred HP" at a track,
> then the cars have outgrown the track.
> So far... they have not done that with the IRL cars.
> (IIRC)

Agreed with respect to the IRL cars (which, incidently, are quite
a bit slower at Indy than they used to be). These are relatively
light cars with lots of downforce, racing mostly on fairly flat
tracks. They have a ways to go yet before they overcome the
tracks (possibly excepting Texas, where the g-forces are an issue
for the drivers).

But if you look at other forms of motorsport, it's been common in
recent times to make substantial changes, or even abandon a course,
because the cars have become too fast for it. Chicanes were added
to the Mulsanne when the Le Mans cars started exceeding 250mph,
and the hump was removed after the Mercedes cars started doing
backflips. Imola was reconfigured after Senna's death, and has
since been removed from the F1 circuit. Spa likewise was removed,
altho it's been rebuilt and is, I think, back this year.

John

Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

In article John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:


>But if you look at other forms of motorsport, it's been common in
>recent times to make substantial changes, or even abandon a course,
>because the cars have become too fast for it.
>John

Which is really all I ever said about the two "superspeedways"
of NASCAR.
I don't know why we feel we "have" to be there, if all we get
is half powered cars that don't really race..

It's just a joke when they refer to them as "Center of Speed"
or "World's fastest track"..
USED to be, maybe, but no more..
They are faster on smaller tracks..



Dan
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