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Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Reply from: Chuck Steak
Date: 27 Jun 2008, 18:15
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

In article Peaceful Bill <snails.pace@highspeedturtles,net > wrote:

>Its such an old story that it predates internet posting. Its one of the
>reasons the IRL was created. The CART cars were considered too fast.

I'm not going to challenge the "history of the IRL" as I am only going by
memory, it's all I care to do..

But the IRL was formed because the USAC cars (not CART) were
getting too expensive, AND they were running way too many
road courses. The American open wheel racers, were being phased
out of a premier series.
So.... to cut costs, AND to only run ovals, this would allow
the Sprint/Silver Crown/midget/supermod guys running in this country,
a place to advance to a premier, national series... the Indy 500 included.

When they started the series they were using stock block Chevy type
engines, with fuel injection... no turbos, so they KNEW they were not
going to be as fast.
It was not planned to make them slower, it was planned to make
them cheaper....

This is how I remember the formation... and the reasons for it.


Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...


Reply from: John McCoy
Date: 28 Jun 2008, 01:51
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote in
news:nm89k.5$rb1.0@trndny08:

> But the IRL was formed because the USAC cars (not CART) were
> getting too expensive, AND they were running way too many
> road courses.

Actually, it was CART that was the problem. The short form history
is first AAA sanctioned everything, then USAC. Then CART sanctioned
everything _except_ Indy, which stayed USAC. Then the IRL was
formed to challenge CART, and took over the Indy sanction as well.

> When they started the series they were using stock block Chevy type
> engines, with fuel injection... no turbos, so they KNEW they were not
> going to be as fast.
> It was not planned to make them slower, it was planned to make
> them cheaper....

Yes, exactly. In CART, teams couldn't buy engines, they had to
lease them from Cosworth or Ilmor, and if they broke the teams
weren't allowed to fix them, they had to ship the engine back
to the UK for a replacement. The original IRL rules required
the engine builders to sell the engines, and allow the teams
to work on them. At the time it was said that this reduced the
expense from $45,000 per engine per race, to $165,000 per engine
per season - in other words, about 1/5 of what CART teams paid.

John

Reply from: DAVe
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 17:01
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Jun 22, 7:57 am, idbwill <idbw...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> http :// www .usatoday,com /sports/motor/nhra/2008-06-21-kalitta-death N.htm
>
> Don Prudhomme, a legendary figure in drag racing, witnessed the scene
> and said Kalitta's car "went into a million pieces."
>
> "I haven't witnessed anything like that in a number of years,"
> Prudhomme said. "These cars, for the most part, are pretty damn safe.
> As many runs as we make down a quarter-mile, as many runs as he's
> made, they're pretty damn safe.
>
> "The car didn't slow up enough, (the car) got airborne, and he
> happened to hit a post that's virtually impossible to do. I mean, I
> would've never thought that that could happen. I would've never
> thought that you could get airborne and hit that guardrail and hit
> that post."
>
> The concrete post, Prudhomme said, serves as support for the safety
> net that's designed to catch cars veering off the strip. Since
> Kalitta's parachute was damaged, Prudhomme said the car "never had a
> chance" once it hit the post at such a rapid speed.
>
> "I don't think it's the track's fault. I just don't," said Prudhomme,
> team owner for Top Fuel driver Larry Dixon. "If I thought it was a
> dangerous racetrack, if I thought it was the NHRA's fault, I wouldn't
> be here. It was unheard of to see that. I was just stunned."

I will bow to The Snake. He knows a lot more about racing than I ever
will...but It does look like there needs to be some re-design of the
parachute system, and I still feel the runoff/safety net was not
properly designed.

Condolences to the Kalitta family.


Reply from: idbwill
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 17:24
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

They, (NHRA Today), just had an interveiw with Jim Head. He said alot
of these tracks where built in the 50/60's and they are not long
enough. (shut down area) Built for 200mph racing and course know
they're going 330. He also stated most drivers want to shorten the
length to the finish line. Stop at the 1000' mark. Some would like an
1/8 of a mile. Beleive Jim does alot of crash research and half, if
not a total scientist.

Reply from: Chuck Steak
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 16:27
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

In article jpchick <jpchick83@gmail,com > wrote:


>......I do recall him commenting about not liking Ashley being in harm's
>way... perhaps he will encourage her to give it up.

> ....but John has to be looking at Ashley with
>the mindset of a parent primarily.....


Scott is not the first guy to ever be killed in a dragster
since John has been racing.
If all the other people that have paid the ultimate price for
racing, didn't deter him from encouraging his daughter to
race, then this one will not either.
Despite what he has to say about this latest one....

He could have told her the only thing he would put her in was
a pro stocker if he was 'really' all that concerned...



Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...


Reply from: jpchick
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 18:21
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Jun 22, 10:27 am, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> In article jpchick <jpchic...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >......I do recall him commenting about not liking Ashley being in harm's
> >way... perhaps he will encourage her to give it up.
> > ....but John has to be looking at Ashley with
> >the mindset of a parent primarily.....
>
> Scott is not the first guy to ever be killed in a dragster
> since John has been racing.
> If all the other people that have paid the ultimate price for
> racing, didn't deter him from encouraging his daughter to
> race, then this one will not either.
> Despite what he has to say about this latest one....
>
> He could have told her the only thing he would put her in was
> a pro stocker if he was 'really' all that concerned...
>
> Dan
> ****************************************
> When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
> you really don't have much of a choice...

Of course John has known the risks involved, and has encouraged Ashley
all along... but there is no doubt that Medlen's death hit him hard,
his own accident took it's toll, and now Scott's... question's have
been raised about the increasing speeds and the resulting safety
issues not being properly addressed, so it isn't as easy to write this
one off and move on from it.

As a parent, I know I wouldn't be able to blindly put my kid back in a
car without examining the safety issues much more closely.... but I'm
not John, I'm sure he knows much better than I the current level of
risks involved.

Reply from: Chuck Steak
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 19:25
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

In article jpchick <jpchick83@gmail,com > wrote:

>On Jun 22, 10:27=A0am, chuck_st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:

>> Scott is not the first guy to ever be killed in a dragster
>> since John has been racing.
>> If all the other people that have paid the ultimate price for
>> racing, didn't deter him from encouraging his daughter to
>> race, then this one will not either.
>> Despite what he has to say about this latest one....
>> He could have told her the only thing he would put her in was
>> a pro stocker if he was 'really' all that concerned...


>Of course John has known the risks involved, and has encouraged Ashley
>all along... but there is no doubt that Medlen's death hit him hard,
>his own accident took it's toll, and now Scott's... question's have
>been raised about the increasing speeds and the resulting safety
>issues not being properly addressed, so it isn't as easy to write this
>one off and move on from it.

They have been running 300mph for over 15 years....
And plenty of guys have died or been seriously injured drag racing....
My point was, Nanc, that no matter what John says about
his "concern" for his daughter, I can't believe that all of a sudden
the little light went on for him yesterday.
And honestly, I would have to dismiss it as just saying
what he thinks would sound the best at this time...
How many times have we heard him say that Eric
was like a son.... a member of his family...

It's almost like, "well, X guys have gotten killed,
one of them on our team... if one more dies, it will be time
to think it over..."



Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...


Reply from: TS02_05champ
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 19:51
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

On Jun 22, 1:25 pm, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> In article  jpchick <jpchic...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >On Jun 22, 10:27=A0am, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> >> Scott is not the first guy to ever be killed in a dragster
> >> since John has been racing.
> >> If all the other people that have paid the ultimate price for
> >> racing, didn't deter him from encouraging his daughter to
> >> race, then this one will not either.
> >> Despite what he has to say about this latest one....
> >> He could have told her the only thing he would put her in was
> >> a pro stocker if he was 'really' all that concerned...
> >Of course John has known the risks involved, and has encouraged Ashley
> >all along... but there is no doubt that Medlen's death hit him hard,
> >his own accident took it's toll, and now Scott's... question's have
> >been raised about the increasing speeds and the resulting safety
> >issues not being properly addressed, so it isn't as easy to write this
> >one off and move on from it.
>
> They have been running 300mph for over 15 years....
> And plenty of guys have died or been seriously injured drag racing....
> My point was, Nanc, that no matter what John says about
> his "concern" for his daughter, I can't believe that all of a sudden
> the little light went on for him yesterday.
> And honestly, I would have to dismiss it as just saying
> what he thinks would sound the best at this time...
> How many times have we heard him say that Eric
> was like a son.... a member of his family...
>
> It's almost like, "well, X guys have gotten killed,
> one of them on our team... if one more dies, it will be time
> to think it over..."
>
> Dan

I agree with Julia. 2 FC deaths and arguably his worst crash ever in
the time span of one yr. can weigh heavily on the mind....and don't
forget that Ashley's mom also has a say in this.


Reply from: RickyBobby
Date: 23 Jun 2008, 01:11
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video


"jpchick" <jpchick83@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:9c468b62-ac5c-45c2-8a4c-43069f50aa53@79g2000hsk.googlegroups,com ...
On Jun 22, 10:27 am, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> In article jpchick <jpchic...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >......I do recall him commenting about not liking Ashley being in harm's
> >way... perhaps he will encourage her to give it up.
> > ....but John has to be looking at Ashley with
> >the mindset of a parent primarily.....
>
> Scott is not the first guy to ever be killed in a dragster
> since John has been racing.
> If all the other people that have paid the ultimate price for
> racing, didn't deter him from encouraging his daughter to
> race, then this one will not either.
> Despite what he has to say about this latest one....
>
> He could have told her the only thing he would put her in was
> a pro stocker if he was 'really' all that concerned...
>
> Dan
> ****************************************
> When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
> you really don't have much of a choice...

Of course John has known the risks involved, and has encouraged Ashley
all along... but there is no doubt that Medlen's death hit him hard,
his own accident took it's toll, and now Scott's... question's have
been raised about the increasing speeds and the resulting safety
issues not being properly addressed, so it isn't as easy to write this
one off and move on from it.

As a parent, I know I wouldn't be able to blindly put my kid back in a
car without examining the safety issues much more closely.... but I'm
not John, I'm sure he knows much better than I the current level of
risks involved.

It is simply a matter of numbers. Either it takes 40,000 300MPH trap speeds
for one driver to die or 78,676 traps speeds of 330MPH for a driver to die.
When a driver is going that fast in those close quarters somebody is going
to crash once in a while.

Tell your kid or kids this, "you can live to be fifty or survive to be
eighty".

Some eighteen year old soldier or marine is going to die next week and their
classmate is going to live to the ripe old age of 106. That is the way life
works.

What is important is not the differences between the starting and ending
dates on your headstone. What is very important is how much you enjoyed
your lifespan and how much good you left behind.

I would just guess that Scott Kalitta enjoyed the living bejeesus out of
each and every day and was looking forward to the next day. That is the way
to live, unless you are trying to live forever. But since it has been
proven by scientists that nobody has yet (except for one) lived forever you
might as well live.

This is my eulogy to Scott Kalitta.

He lived to be 46.

God Bless and Rest In Peace and if there is a racetrack in Heaven they just
got them one hell of a driver.

Your name and face and deeds will not be forgotten by people who shared your
love for living and racing.

Go in peace, brother. You sure made a dramatic exit. Just way too soon.


Reply from: YooperBoyka
Date: 23 Jun 2008, 17:07
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Don Clarke wrote:
> Can't agree more.
>
> NHRA has a lot of explaining to do as far as why the hell they allow
> this short of a runoff area with cars going 300 mph and then why
> they are dumb enough to allow a concrete barrier to be there for them
> to hit head on.


Englishtown is an old track that is now surrounded by a
residential area.
There is simply no more room to extend the run off area.
Without the wall, can you imagine the stories if the car had
continued on till it hit a house?

Reply from: YooperBoyka
Date: 23 Jun 2008, 17:15
Re: Scott Kalitta Fatal Crash Video

Dan L wrote:
> "TS02 05champ" <tonystewart02 05champ@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:ed838521-d6d4-4849-964b-03bb340f858d@27g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jun 21, 11:12 pm, "Don Clarke" <clarked...@mchsi,com > wrote:
>> Can't agree more.
>>
>> NHRA has a lot of explaining to do as far as why the hell they allow
>> this short of a runoff area with cars going 300 mph and then why
>> they are dumb enough to allow a concrete barrier to be there for them
>> to hit head on.
>
> And on top of that, they left the "cherry picker" parked right behind
> the wall! You can see the arm moving/shaking after he hits the wall!
>
> I don't watch drag racing that much anymore, but when I do, it seems
> like that always have a huge gravel pit and then a clearing after
> that.
>
> The cherry picker is for the camera that has the shot straight down
> the track,
> they are lucky know one was manning that camera, I slowed it down on
> the DVR and you could see what looked like part of the engine
> actually flying up and crushing that camera
> stand.
> I also don't think we'll know if he triggered the parachute, because
> some of his fellow drivers said they
> hoped he was unconscious when he hit the wall, so it may have
> triggered on its own.

It likely "half-deployed" when the body flew off.
Happens a lot.


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