Show the race NOT baseball

Show the race NOT baseball

What is FOX at? They just switched to the baseball game, put the race on!!!!

Re: Show the race NOT baseball


"Sharon" <dash@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:48015465$0$4068$9a566e8b@news.aliant,net ...
> What is FOX at? They just switched to the baseball game, put the race
> on!!!!

Yup! You can bet they wouldn't have done the same if the race was delayed
by rain.

Mike

>
>

Re: Show the race NOT baseball

"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in
news:PZCdndkOsa2vjZ_VnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@yhti:

>
> "Sharon" <dash@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:48015465$0$4068$9a566e8b@news.aliant,net ...
>> What is FOX at? They just switched to the baseball game, put the race
>> on!!!!
>
> Yup! You can bet they wouldn't have done the same if the race was
> delayed by rain.

Yeah, talk about disrespect. It's not like FOX hasn't given plenty
of hints of their opinion of race fans (the quality of the broadcasts
being evidence), but now it's pretty clear we don't count for anything
in their minds.

One has to wonder why they bid for the contract in the first place.

John

Re: Show the race NOT baseball

Mike Simmons wrote:
> "Sharon" <dash@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:48015465$0$4068$9a566e8b@news.aliant,net ...
>> What is FOX at? They just switched to the baseball game, put the race
>> on!!!!
>

are we watching tape delayed this morning?

> Yup! You can bet they wouldn't have done the same if the race was delayed
> by rain.
>
> Mike
>
>>
>
>

FOX was in a no win situation, think how baseball fans felt that don't
have FX and the game on the line, two outs in the 9th, suddenly
disappeared, how would you feel if they switched to baseball with two
laps to go?

Anyone wanna bet that it pissed off more baseball fans than N fans?

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SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:iI2dndhyjvfqhZ_VnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast,com :

> FOX was in a no win situation, think how baseball fans felt that don't
> have FX and the game on the line, two outs in the 9th, suddenly
> disappeared, how would you feel if they switched to baseball with two
> laps to go?

I think FOX made the wrong call right from the get-go on this
one. They should have started the race on-time at 8:20 eastern,
and left the baseball game on FX.

By delaying the race (and apparently missing the start, altho I
don't know that because I got bored waiting and changed the
channel) they managed to annoy 100% of the NASCAR audience. In
addition, by delaying the start of a race which already was
being run at a late hour for no good reason, they ensured that
it would end well after 11 eastern, thereby inconveniencing all
their east coast audience.

OTOH, by unexpectedly switching to a meaningless baseball game
(given it's the 8th game in a 160 game season), they probably
had zero audience of baseball fans. I'd imagine that when the
baseball fans saw the Phoenix pre-race show they all either
turned to FX or left, since they'd have no reason to think that
the ball game would preempt the race.

Whoever was making decisions at FOX on Saturday got them all
wrong. Hopefully whoever that person is will be looking at a
new assignment come Monday morning.

John

Re: Show the race NOT baseball

Throughout the ball game they kept saying "we'll be going to the NASCAR race
in time for the green flag, never fear...."

Of course, if you wanted to see the invocation, the national anthem, and
those first caution laps, no option there, but I would have been good with
that....

Except of course "we'll be in time for the green flag" turned out to mean
"we'll cut back over to the race on lap 2."

So they didn't provide the end of the baseball game on the channel it was
scheduled for AND they didn't provide the start of the race on the channel
it was scheduled for.

In a very real sense, it was a "satisfy nobody" choice, and if there's an
actual solution, it's "don't try to carry two weather-dependent events on
the same day," which isn't a likely choice on Fox's part.

I can see the "we're going to try to get all of both in as best we can on
the broadcast channel" choice. I can see kicking the overlapping baseball
over to FX, which is a sister network, albeit one with a lesser audience.
(And the baseball game was moved over there even while it was still on
Fox....running on both simultaneously.)

Where I think they slipped up was omitting to make the same choice for
NASCAR: "We'll cut back in as close to the start of the race as we can, BUT
for those of you who have it and want to see ALL the broadcast we'd normally
do, we're bouncing the pre-show/race start over to SPEED" would have been
the final piece in the puzzle, and was the one they left off----the one that
said "we'll go further to satisfy baseball fans than racing fans."

There's something a bit ridiculous to "we're willing to interrupt Terminator
3, but a Livin the Low Life marathon is inviolable."

--pig


On 4/13/08 16:12, in article Xns9A7F9AFB3E9C7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30,
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:

> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
> news:iI2dndhyjvfqhZ_VnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast,com :
>
>> FOX was in a no win situation, think how baseball fans felt that don't
>> have FX and the game on the line, two outs in the 9th, suddenly
>> disappeared, how would you feel if they switched to baseball with two
>> laps to go?
>
> I think FOX made the wrong call right from the get-go on this
> one. They should have started the race on-time at 8:20 eastern,
> and left the baseball game on FX.
>
> By delaying the race (and apparently missing the start, altho I
> don't know that because I got bored waiting and changed the
> channel) they managed to annoy 100% of the NASCAR audience. In
> addition, by delaying the start of a race which already was
> being run at a late hour for no good reason, they ensured that
> it would end well after 11 eastern, thereby inconveniencing all
> their east coast audience.
>
> OTOH, by unexpectedly switching to a meaningless baseball game
> (given it's the 8th game in a 160 game season), they probably
> had zero audience of baseball fans. I'd imagine that when the
> baseball fans saw the Phoenix pre-race show they all either
> turned to FX or left, since they'd have no reason to think that
> the ball game would preempt the race.
>
> Whoever was making decisions at FOX on Saturday got them all
> wrong. Hopefully whoever that person is will be looking at a
> new assignment come Monday morning.
>
> John
>

Re: Show the race NOT baseball

"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9A7F9AFB3E9C7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...

<snips>

> I think FOX made the wrong call right from the get-go on this
> one. They should have started the race on-time at 8:20 eastern,
> and left the baseball game on FX.

Tuff call, but a lot of effort was made by FOX (Ed Goren was in the
production truck making the final calls) and by NASCAR. For the first time
FX was used as an alternate - they normally have no sports coverage - NASCAR
delayed the green in order to try to let baseball conclude and all that us
race fans missed was a lot of the (oft derided) pre-race hoopla, seeing
Larry Mac throw the green live and hearing DW do his tiresome B-B-B thang.

With as few baseball fans having FX as race fans, a solid attempt was made
to keep the delayed game on the original channel as possible *and*
simulcasting it for those who had it.

I didn't bother going back to the Tivo-ed start to check, but I *think* my
local affiliate switched just as the cars crossed S/F for the start..,fr om
comments on John Daly's Blog, seems like many across the country didn't get
there till the next lap or so.

> Whoever was making decisions at FOX on Saturday got them all
> wrong. Hopefully whoever that person is will be looking at a
> new assignment come Monday morning.
>
> John

Since it was Goren that called the shots, I figger he's safe.

--
Tom in Bristol




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Re: Show the race NOT baseball

I would doubt that your local affiliate got a choice of when to switch; I'd
bet the switch was in the network feed itself, and that everyone switched at
the same time.

Were that not the case, I'm fairly sure that a station here in Indianapolis,
for example, would have rated a race---any race---higher than a NY-Boston
baseball game. :)

--pig


On 4/13/08 22:35, in article 1208121620_501@isp.n, "Tom Duwe"
<tomd88SPAMLESS@bvunet,net > wrote:

> I didn't bother going back to the Tivo-ed start to check, but I *think* my
> local affiliate switched just as the cars crossed S/F for the start..,fr om
> comments on John Daly's Blog, seems like many across the country didn't get
> there till the next lap or so.

Re: Show the race NOT baseball

Suppose you were a yankee or reds fan and a nascar fan, you got
screwed twice. hhahhahahahahah

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"Megan Zurawicz" <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:C42841DA.5F2BB%listpig@sbcglobal,net ...
>I would doubt that your local affiliate got a choice of when to switch; I'd
> bet the switch was in the network feed itself, and that everyone switched
> at
> the same time.
>
> Were that not the case, I'm fairly sure that a station here in
> Indianapolis,
> for example, would have rated a race---any race---higher than a NY-Boston
> baseball game. :)
>

Had to be national, as they switched us and we are in Connecticut. Idiots.

Re: Show the race NOT baseball

"Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAMLESS@bvunet,net > wrote in message
news:1208121620_501@isp.n...
> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9A7F9AFB3E9C7pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
> <snips>
>
>> I think FOX made the wrong call right from the get-go on this
>> one. They should have started the race on-time at 8:20 eastern,
>> and left the baseball game on FX.
>
> Tuff call, but a lot of effort was made by FOX (Ed Goren was in the
> production truck making the final calls) and by NASCAR. For the first
> time FX was used as an alternate - they normally have no sports coverage -
> NASCAR delayed the green in order to try to let baseball conclude and all
> that us race fans missed was a lot of the (oft derided) pre-race hoopla,
> seeing Larry Mac throw the green live and hearing DW do his tiresome B-B-B
> thang.
>
> With as few baseball fans having FX as race fans, a solid attempt was made
> to keep the delayed game on the original channel as possible *and*
> simulcasting it for those who had it.
>
> I didn't bother going back to the Tivo-ed start to check, but I *think* my
> local affiliate switched just as the cars crossed S/F for the start..,fr om
> comments on John Daly's Blog, seems like many across the country didn't
> get there till the next lap or so.
>

Yes, they switched just as the cars hit the S/F line. We were pissed, 2
outs, 9th inning. Who cares if you miss a few laps in the beginning.