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Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
something like this message may have expired or been removed.
Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
something like this message may have expired or been removed.
Re: RASN
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:05:02 CST, robert.umbach@gmail,com wrote in
<4c432a87-1e75-407f-8008-e42bb2c173d3@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >:
>Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
>has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
>something like this message may have expired or been removed.
Individual messages can be expired or removed.
The group still seems to be there.
This thread has two posts from today:
< http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.autos.sport.nascar/browse_thread/thread/bf7ff1deff415aef/92951ccc9b683d05?hl=en#92951ccc9b683d05>
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Marty
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:05:02 CST, robert.umbach@gmail,com wrote in
<4c432a87-1e75-407f-8008-e42bb2c173d3@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >:
>Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
>has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
>something like this message may have expired or been removed.
Individual messages can be expired or removed.
The group still seems to be there.
This thread has two posts from today:
< http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.autos.sport.nascar/browse_thread/thread/bf7ff1deff415aef/92951ccc9b683d05?hl=en#92951ccc9b683d05>
Tiny URL for same thread:
< http :// tinyurl,com /3ll6dx>
Marty
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Google Groups (was Re: RASN)
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:DuadnTeQRt-fuJXVnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:05:02 CST, robert.umbach@gmail,com wrote in
> <4c432a87-1e75-407f-8008-e42bb2c173d3@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >:
>
>>Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
>>has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
>>something like this message may have expired or been removed.
>
> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
In general this would be true, but not for Google Groups. Messages
do not ever expire, and are never removed.
The thing you have to understand about Google Groups is that their
primary purpose is to save _everything_ which is posted to the
text Usenet. That is their overriding goal.
Actually displaying articles to readers is a very secondary
purpose, so it doesn't bother Google if the web interface stops
working for a while, or posts show up hours late, or they have
to take it down for a while for maintenance. The posts are
being stored forever, so having to wait a day or a week to see
them is insignificant by comparison.
John
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:DuadnTeQRt-fuJXVnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:05:02 CST, robert.umbach@gmail,com wrote in
> <4c432a87-1e75-407f-8008-e42bb2c173d3@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >:
>
>>Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
>>has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
>>something like this message may have expired or been removed.
>
> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
In general this would be true, but not for Google Groups. Messages
do not ever expire, and are never removed.
The thing you have to understand about Google Groups is that their
primary purpose is to save _everything_ which is posted to the
text Usenet. That is their overriding goal.
Actually displaying articles to readers is a very secondary
purpose, so it doesn't bother Google if the web interface stops
working for a while, or posts show up hours late, or they have
to take it down for a while for maintenance. The posts are
being stored forever, so having to wait a day or a week to see
them is insignificant by comparison.
John
Re: Google Groups (was Re: RASN)
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:22:19 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9A84C57F62A00pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
>In general this would be true, but not for Google Groups. Messages
>do not ever expire, and are never removed.
I'm moderately certain Google honors X-No-Archive:Yes headers.
I've seen posts with those headers that are marked as "will
be removed in five days."
In that sense, Google does "expire" some posts. They're
up for a long enough time for people to read them, then
they're removed.
I don't know how Google handles cancels. Here again,
I have the vague idea that folks CAN remove their own
posts if they can still access the e-mail address from
which the post was made. (A fellow who no longer had
access to his old e-mail asked the Big-8 Management
Board whether we could help him persuade Google to
remove his old posts; we could not.)
Marty
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:22:19 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9A84C57F62A00pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
>In general this would be true, but not for Google Groups. Messages
>do not ever expire, and are never removed.
I'm moderately certain Google honors X-No-Archive:Yes headers.
I've seen posts with those headers that are marked as "will
be removed in five days."
In that sense, Google does "expire" some posts. They're
up for a long enough time for people to read them, then
they're removed.
I don't know how Google handles cancels. Here again,
I have the vague idea that folks CAN remove their own
posts if they can still access the e-mail address from
which the post was made. (A fellow who no longer had
access to his old e-mail asked the Big-8 Management
Board whether we could help him persuade Google to
remove his old posts; we could not.)
Marty
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Re: Google Groups (was Re: RASN)
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:TP-dnR0UQ5t64JTVnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:22:19 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
> wrote in <Xns9A84C57F62A00pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>>> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
>
>>In general this would be true, but not for Google Groups. Messages
>>do not ever expire, and are never removed.
>
> I'm moderately certain Google honors X-No-Archive:Yes headers.
You misunderstand the meaning of X-No-Archive, which is
understandable because DejaNews wasn't exactly forthright
when they implemented it (and Google has just continued
the policy). XNA means the post will not be displayed in
the reader. It's still in the archive, just no-one can
see it.
I'm pretty sure there was a discussion of Google's policy
on cancels, and bogus groups and other administrative oddities,
back when Google took over the Deja archive and had not yet
become evil (when they actually talked to people like Russ
and Andrew). I think their policy there is the same - archive
everything, but don't display cancelled articles or bogus
groups.
John
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:TP-dnR0UQ5t64JTVnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:22:19 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
> wrote in <Xns9A84C57F62A00pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>>> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
>
>>In general this would be true, but not for Google Groups. Messages
>>do not ever expire, and are never removed.
>
> I'm moderately certain Google honors X-No-Archive:Yes headers.
You misunderstand the meaning of X-No-Archive, which is
understandable because DejaNews wasn't exactly forthright
when they implemented it (and Google has just continued
the policy). XNA means the post will not be displayed in
the reader. It's still in the archive, just no-one can
see it.
I'm pretty sure there was a discussion of Google's policy
on cancels, and bogus groups and other administrative oddities,
back when Google took over the Deja archive and had not yet
become evil (when they actually talked to people like Russ
and Andrew). I think their policy there is the same - archive
everything, but don't display cancelled articles or bogus
groups.
John
Re: Google Groups (was Re: RASN)
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:55:51 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9A85654C06F82pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>> I'm moderately certain Google honors X-No-Archive:Yes headers.
>You misunderstand the meaning of X-No-Archive, which is
>understandable because DejaNews wasn't exactly forthright
>when they implemented it (and Google has just continued
>the policy). XNA means the post will not be displayed in
>the reader. It's still in the archive, just no-one can
>see it.
It's the "not being displayed" part that I'm attending to.
Instead of seeing the message, you see a note that
explains that in keeping with the wishes of the author,
it is not being displayed any more.
I'm not claiming that Google has thrown away its copy.
>I'm pretty sure there was a discussion of Google's policy
>on cancels, and bogus groups and other administrative oddities,
>back when Google took over the Deja archive and had not yet
>become evil (when they actually talked to people like Russ
>and Andrew). I think their policy there is the same - archive
>everything, but don't display cancelled articles or bogus
>groups.
They seem to be honoring the big-8 control messages still.
I can understand why the Usenet part of Google is less
important than it was when they took over Deja.
Stuff happens and things change. :o)
Marty
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:55:51 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9A85654C06F82pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>> I'm moderately certain Google honors X-No-Archive:Yes headers.
>You misunderstand the meaning of X-No-Archive, which is
>understandable because DejaNews wasn't exactly forthright
>when they implemented it (and Google has just continued
>the policy). XNA means the post will not be displayed in
>the reader. It's still in the archive, just no-one can
>see it.
It's the "not being displayed" part that I'm attending to.
Instead of seeing the message, you see a note that
explains that in keeping with the wishes of the author,
it is not being displayed any more.
I'm not claiming that Google has thrown away its copy.
>I'm pretty sure there was a discussion of Google's policy
>on cancels, and bogus groups and other administrative oddities,
>back when Google took over the Deja archive and had not yet
>become evil (when they actually talked to people like Russ
>and Andrew). I think their policy there is the same - archive
>everything, but don't display cancelled articles or bogus
>groups.
They seem to be honoring the big-8 control messages still.
I can understand why the Usenet part of Google is less
important than it was when they took over Deja.
Stuff happens and things change. :o)
Marty
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Re: RASN
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:DuadnTeQRt-fuJXVnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:05:02 CST, robert.umbach@gmail,com wrote in
> <4c432a87-1e75-407f-8008-e42bb2c173d3@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >:
>
>>Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
>>has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
>>something like this message may have expired or been removed.
>
> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
>
> The group still seems to be there.
I had never visited RASN until today... all I saw was a bunch of c**p...
hardly anything of value... the chaff to wheat ratio is too high fer me...
Mike
>
> This thread has two posts from today:
>
> < http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.autos.sport.nascar/browse_thread/thread/bf7ff1deff415aef/92951ccc9b683d05?hl=en#92951ccc9b683d05>
>
> Tiny URL for same thread:
>
> < http :// tinyurl,com /3ll6dx>
>
> Marty
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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:DuadnTeQRt-fuJXVnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:05:02 CST, robert.umbach@gmail,com wrote in
> <4c432a87-1e75-407f-8008-e42bb2c173d3@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >:
>
>>Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
>>has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
>>something like this message may have expired or been removed.
>
> Individual messages can be expired or removed.
>
> The group still seems to be there.
I had never visited RASN until today... all I saw was a bunch of c**p...
hardly anything of value... the chaff to wheat ratio is too high fer me...
Mike
>
> This thread has two posts from today:
>
> < http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.autos.sport.nascar/browse_thread/thread/bf7ff1deff415aef/92951ccc9b683d05?hl=en#92951ccc9b683d05>
>
> Tiny URL for same thread:
>
> < http :// tinyurl,com /3ll6dx>
>
> Marty
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>
Re: RASN
On Apr 17, 11:05 pm, robert.umb...@gmail,com wrote:
> Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
> has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
> something like this message may have expired or been removed.
The good news is, it is back up again as of 11:51 Mountain time, the
bad new is, all the posts that came in during the outage are still
unviewable.
Of course I read the missing posts and posted to rasn from thunderbird
during that time.
On Apr 17, 11:05 pm, robert.umb...@gmail,com wrote:
> Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
> has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
> something like this message may have expired or been removed.
The good news is, it is back up again as of 11:51 Mountain time, the
bad new is, all the posts that came in during the outage are still
unviewable.
Of course I read the missing posts and posted to rasn from thunderbird
during that time.
Re: RASN
On Apr 18, 1:52 am, robert.umb...@gmail,com wrote:
> On Apr 17, 11:05 pm, robert.umb...@gmail,com wrote:
>
> > Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
> > has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
> > something like this message may have expired or been removed.
>
> The good news is, it is back up again as of 11:51 Mountain time, the
> bad new is, all the posts that came in during the outage are still
> unviewable.
>
> Of course I read the missing posts and posted to rasn from thunderbird
> during that time.
Ja, they have been having problems all week - yesterday and the day
before, you would just get an "error" message when you clicked on a
group - if you clicked on it a second time, you would usually get
through. I've sent them one e-mail; I usually bug them when they have
problems, not that it helps ....
N.
On Apr 18, 1:52 am, robert.umb...@gmail,com wrote:
> On Apr 17, 11:05 pm, robert.umb...@gmail,com wrote:
>
> > Don't know if other using google groups can view posts at rasn but it
> > has been broke for me for the several hours. A popup comes up and says
> > something like this message may have expired or been removed.
>
> The good news is, it is back up again as of 11:51 Mountain time, the
> bad new is, all the posts that came in during the outage are still
> unviewable.
>
> Of course I read the missing posts and posted to rasn from thunderbird
> during that time.
Ja, they have been having problems all week - yesterday and the day
before, you would just get an "error" message when you clicked on a
group - if you clicked on it a second time, you would usually get
through. I've sent them one e-mail; I usually bug them when they have
problems, not that it helps ....
N.
