Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

Isn't this ironic? After wife Ashley Judd pushed Dario Franchitti to
go to NASCAR because she was afraid he'd get hurt or killed in Indycar
racing, Dario suffered a broken ankle in Saturday's race at Talledega.

The booth announcers said it was inexcusable to plow into Dario's car
8 seconds after it had come to rest after his brush with the wall.
But, Larry Gunselman t-boned Dario's car fully 8 seconds after his
spotter should have slowed him down.

The driver's side of Dario's car was shown on TV and wow!, I was
surprised by how far the side cage was pushed in - seemed like 9
inches or so. I can see how his left foot would be broken or crushed.
I'm surprised the cage collapsed like it did.

Get well Dario. http :// www .thatsracin,com /news/story/13442.html

Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:29:29 CST, Tommy Wood <tgw@nospam,net > wrote in <709c149nbpo5uker8rbncl5ke219uu5has@4ax,com >:

>Isn't this ironic? After wife Ashley Judd pushed Dario Franchitti to
>go to NASCAR because she was afraid he'd get hurt or killed in Indycar
>racing, Dario suffered a broken ankle in Saturday's race at Talledega.

Yes, it is ironic. And sad. :o(

>The booth announcers said it was inexcusable to plow into Dario's car
>8 seconds after it had come to rest after his brush with the wall.
>But, Larry Gunselman t-boned Dario's car fully 8 seconds after his
>spotter should have slowed him down.

I think NASCAR should use in-car yellow lights as they have
in ... uh, I think ... the IRL (?). It seems to me that I
remember footage of yellow lights coming on in some kind of
open-wheel cockpits. Could have been CART or F1, I suppose.

I know no technical system is perfect, but it seems to me that
it is worth betting on the odds. Given today's excellent wireless
technology in the 2.4 GHz band, there should be a way to send a
coded "on" signal microseconds after the "caution" button is
pushed. Heck, the series sponsor could put its name on the
in-car safety light system. They ought to be able to cut a
few engineers loose from their development lab for the few
days it would take to cobble something together.

>The driver's side of Dario's car was shown on TV and wow!, I was
>surprised by how far the side cage was pushed in - seemed like 9
>inches or so. I can see how his left foot would be broken or crushed.
>I'm surprised the cage collapsed like it did.

I've heard that collapsing cages mean that energy is being
absorbed and turned into metal deformation instead of potentially
lethal G-forces. "Bend but don't break" is a way to cushion
a really bad impact. And it sounds as though this was a
really bad impact.

What do you suppose it would have done to Dario in the old car?

>Get well Dario. http :// www .thatsracin,com /news/story/13442.html

Amen!

And then, Dario, lead the push for a new and improved
safety system.

Marty
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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

In article moleski@canisius.edu wrote:

>What do you suppose it would have done to Dario in the old car?

>
> Marty


I believe it was an "old" car.....


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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:50:26 CST, chuck_steak@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote in <B0wRj.223$1m3.204@trndny02>:

>>What do you suppose it would have done to Dario in the old car?

>I believe it was an "old" car.....

Ah, I see.

I hope NASCAR moves the COT frame down to Nationwide ASAP. :o)

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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

ARCA Re/Max series uses the dashboard mounted caution light IIRC.


"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:h5KdnQUZEM1oxovVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:29:29 CST, Tommy Wood <tgw@nospam,net > wrote in
> <709c149nbpo5uker8rbncl5ke219uu5has@4ax,com >:
>
>>Isn't this ironic? After wife Ashley Judd pushed Dario Franchitti to
>>go to NASCAR because she was afraid he'd get hurt or killed in Indycar
>>racing, Dario suffered a broken ankle in Saturday's race at Talledega.
>
> Yes, it is ironic. And sad. :o(
>
>>The booth announcers said it was inexcusable to plow into Dario's car
>>8 seconds after it had come to rest after his brush with the wall.
>>But, Larry Gunselman t-boned Dario's car fully 8 seconds after his
>>spotter should have slowed him down.
>
> I think NASCAR should use in-car yellow lights as they have
> in ... uh, I think ... the IRL (?). It seems to me that I
> remember footage of yellow lights coming on in some kind of
> open-wheel cockpits. Could have been CART or F1, I suppose.
>
> I know no technical system is perfect, but it seems to me that
> it is worth betting on the odds. Given today's excellent wireless
> technology in the 2.4 GHz band, there should be a way to send a
> coded "on" signal microseconds after the "caution" button is
> pushed. Heck, the series sponsor could put its name on the
> in-car safety light system. They ought to be able to cut a
> few engineers loose from their development lab for the few
> days it would take to cobble something together.
>
>>The driver's side of Dario's car was shown on TV and wow!, I was
>>surprised by how far the side cage was pushed in - seemed like 9
>>inches or so. I can see how his left foot would be broken or crushed.
>>I'm surprised the cage collapsed like it did.
>
> I've heard that collapsing cages mean that energy is being
> absorbed and turned into metal deformation instead of potentially
> lethal G-forces. "Bend but don't break" is a way to cushion
> a really bad impact. And it sounds as though this was a
> really bad impact.
>
> What do you suppose it would have done to Dario in the old car?
>
>>Get well Dario. http :// www .thatsracin,com /news/story/13442.html
>
> Amen!
>
> And then, Dario, lead the push for a new and improved
> safety system.
>
> Marty
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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

On Fri, 2 May 2008 11:07:51 CST, "Max Altara" <valkryie01@hotmail,com > wrote in <f%GSj.19$Lv.16@newsfe05.lga>:

>ARCA Re/Max series uses the dashboard mounted caution light IIRC.

Good for them!

I don't see why NASCAR is dragging its feet.

It's not rocket science and it fits beautifully with
Sprint's technology base.

Someone please find a 2x4 to help get the mule's
attention ... :o(

I love it when the drivers walk away from wrecks.

I hate it when they get injured or die.

This seems to me at present like a no-brainer--far
easier to implement than the HANS stuff, the COT,
and the SAFER barriers.

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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:waSdnf5vkPMhxYbVnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 11:07:51 CST, "Max Altara" <valkryie01@hotmail,com >
> wrote in <f%GSj.19$Lv.16@newsfe05.lga>:
>
>>ARCA Re/Max series uses the dashboard mounted caution light IIRC.
>
> Good for them!
>
> I don't see why NASCAR is dragging its feet.
>
> It's not rocket science and it fits beautifully with
> Sprint's technology base.
>
> Someone please find a 2x4 to help get the mule's
> attention ... :o(
>
> I love it when the drivers walk away from wrecks.
>
> I hate it when they get injured or die.
>
> This seems to me at present like a no-brainer--far
> easier to implement than the HANS stuff, the COT,
> and the SAFER barriers.
>
> Marty
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Or they could simply send a text message to all of the drivers.....

John

Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:46:17 CST, "John Mielke" <mielkman.at.excite.dot,com @giganews,com > wrote in
<g66dnQTcDeT1_IbVnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@wideopenwest,com >:

>>>ARCA Re/Max series uses the dashboard mounted caution light IIRC.

>Or they could simply send a text message to all of the drivers.....

That'd suit me fine.

Something in 4" letters like "WHOA NELLIE!"

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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

Tommy Wood <tgw@nospam,net > wrote in
news:709c149nbpo5uker8rbncl5ke219uu5has@4ax,com :

> The driver's side of Dario's car was shown on TV and wow!, I was
> surprised by how far the side cage was pushed in - seemed like 9
> inches or so. I can see how his left foot would be broken or crushed.
> I'm surprised the cage collapsed like it did.

I doubt the cage collapsed to any significant degree. Remember that
there's space between the body and the cage, filled with the foam
stuff (that kept catching on fire last year). Most of the "collapse"
would be the foam crushing.

Broken feet or legs are usually a result of the leg getting flung
up against the steering column, pedals, or door bar.

John

Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
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<snip>

> I doubt the cage collapsed to any significant degree. Remember that
> there's space between the body and the cage, filled with the foam
> stuff (that kept catching on fire last year). Most of the "collapse"
> would be the foam crushing.

Psssstt...wreck was in the Saturday race.

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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

"Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAMLESS@bvunet,net > wrote in news:1209430280_900@isp.n:

> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9A8ED3EB471B4pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
> <snip>
>
>> I doubt the cage collapsed to any significant degree. Remember that
>> there's space between the body and the cage, filled with the foam
>> stuff (that kept catching on fire last year). Most of the "collapse"
>> would be the foam crushing.
>
> Psssstt...wreck was in the Saturday race.
>

Dang.

Well, I take solace that Marty apparently forgot too :-)

John

Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:25:39 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9A8FDA3A98A17pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:

>> Psssstt...wreck was in the Saturday race.

>Dang.

>Well, I take solace that Marty apparently forgot too :-)

Totally.

He'p yo'se'f to all the solace you can get from
joinin' me in Misrememory Lane. :o(

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Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series


Dario's wreck was in a Nationwide car, old style cage, and no foam in
the door.

Similar incident at Homestead, 2006, in the IRL race...late hit, after
a wreck, resulted in the death of Paul Dana. Maybe Ashley was right?


On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:48:24 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
spewed forth:

>Tommy Wood <tgw@nospam,net > wrote in
>news:709c149nbpo5uker8rbncl5ke219uu5has@4ax,com :
>
>> The driver's side of Dario's car was shown on TV and wow!, I was
>> surprised by how far the side cage was pushed in - seemed like 9
>> inches or so. I can see how his left foot would be broken or crushed.
>> I'm surprised the cage collapsed like it did.
>
>I doubt the cage collapsed to any significant degree. Remember that
>there's space between the body and the cage, filled with the foam
>stuff (that kept catching on fire last year). Most of the "collapse"
>would be the foam crushing.
>
>Broken feet or legs are usually a result of the leg getting flung
>up against the steering column, pedals, or door bar.
>
>John

Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:10:38 CST, LoneGunman
<REMOVETHISgunman@bmeworld,com > wrote:

>
>Dario's wreck was in a Nationwide car, old style cage, and no foam in
>the door.
>
>Similar incident at Homestead, 2006, in the IRL race...late hit, after
>a wreck, resulted in the death of Paul Dana. Maybe Ashley was right?
>
>
>On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:48:24 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
>spewed forth:
>

I do think all the NASCAR series are safer than IRL on ovals (yea, a
whole bunch safer).

So, yes, Ashley is right, yet Dario had two very serious looking flips
and tumbles last year (which is why the whole safety issue came up
with Ashley Judd, according to the tabloids) and he walked away from
both just a little shook up. So, in this race, one of his first
outings in NASCAR, he gets hurt to where he couldn't walk away. He
hobbled away from the wreck.

I just thought it was ironic, especially considering how horrific his
two Indycar wrecks looked. But, come to think of it, the t-bone
incident on Saturday looked pretty bad too.

Re: Indy drivers invade the "safe" racing series

Yeah, driver's door isn't supposed to ever be distinctly *concave*. Bad
shape. Wrong shape.

--pig


On 4/30/08 20:40, in article jtrh14p8d2jod3r64alv10logb2c9igllt@4ax,com ,
"Tommy Wood" <tgw@nospam,net > wrote:

> I just thought it was ironic, especially considering how horrific his
> two Indycar wrecks looked. But, come to think of it, the t-bone
> incident on Saturday looked pretty bad too.