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NASCAR Theology
I bumped into this link thru Jayski and thought I would post it (especially
for Marty) if anyone missed it.....
http :// insiderracingnews,com /Writers/RG/050908.html
Of course, God does not intervene in NASCAR races. If He did, the Dodge's
would always win 'cause He is a Chrysler fan.
Mike
I bumped into this link thru Jayski and thought I would post it (especially
for Marty) if anyone missed it.....
http :// insiderracingnews,com /Writers/RG/050908.html
Of course, God does not intervene in NASCAR races. If He did, the Dodge's
would always win 'cause He is a Chrysler fan.
Mike
Re: NASCAR Theology
On May 9, 2:10 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
> I bumped into this link thru Jayski and thought I would post it (especially
> for Marty) if anyone missed it.....
>
> http :// insiderracingnews,com /Writers/RG/050908.html
>
> Of course, God does not intervene in NASCAR races. If He did, the Dodge's
> would always win 'cause He is a Chrysler fan.
Interesting topic. Here's my take:
God loves everyone equally. Every driver, every crew chief, every
spotter, every tire changer, etc. etc. etc. Whether they love Him
back or not is irrelevant.
Were God to intervene to help someone win, it follows that He is also
intervening to someone else's detriment at the same time. The only
exception I can think of would be for Him to step in and protect
someone from injury or death. That would be helping someone without
hurting anyone else.
So, I tend to think that God leaves the outcome of the races--and all
sporting events for that matter--to the participants.
Just my .02
On May 9, 2:10 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
> I bumped into this link thru Jayski and thought I would post it (especially
> for Marty) if anyone missed it.....
>
> http :// insiderracingnews,com /Writers/RG/050908.html
>
> Of course, God does not intervene in NASCAR races. If He did, the Dodge's
> would always win 'cause He is a Chrysler fan.
Interesting topic. Here's my take:
God loves everyone equally. Every driver, every crew chief, every
spotter, every tire changer, etc. etc. etc. Whether they love Him
back or not is irrelevant.
Were God to intervene to help someone win, it follows that He is also
intervening to someone else's detriment at the same time. The only
exception I can think of would be for Him to step in and protect
someone from injury or death. That would be helping someone without
hurting anyone else.
So, I tend to think that God leaves the outcome of the races--and all
sporting events for that matter--to the participants.
Just my .02
Re: NASCAR Theology
On Fri, 9 May 2008 18:03:35 CST, bob.paxton@gmail,com wrote in
<890ffc27-1d6b-4f51-8a1f-249f91e3fc28@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com >:
> ... I tend to think that God leaves the outcome of the races--and all
>sporting events for that matter--to the participants.
It is a classic problem.
The question of how to understand God's sovereignty, the grace
given to believers, and the freedom (and value) of our response
has been part of theological debate for centuries.
I'm not going to get into my views here in any
detail.
Suffice it to say that I pray for my favorites to win
and for my less-than-favorites to lose. I figure that
God knows what to do with prayer like that, if anything.
Marty
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 18:03:35 CST, bob.paxton@gmail,com wrote in
<890ffc27-1d6b-4f51-8a1f-249f91e3fc28@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com >:
> ... I tend to think that God leaves the outcome of the races--and all
>sporting events for that matter--to the participants.
It is a classic problem.
The question of how to understand God's sovereignty, the grace
given to believers, and the freedom (and value) of our response
has been part of theological debate for centuries.
I'm not going to get into my views here in any
detail.
Suffice it to say that I pray for my favorites to win
and for my less-than-favorites to lose. I figure that
God knows what to do with prayer like that, if anything.
Marty
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Re: NASCAR Theology
Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I reckon....
Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and cause
the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
--pig
On 5/10/08 08:48, in article -Z6dnetxRvo7qrjVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@supernews,com ,
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:
> Suffice it to say that I pray for my favorites to win
> and for my less-than-favorites to lose. I figure that
> God knows what to do with prayer like that, if anything.
Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I reckon....
Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and cause
the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
--pig
On 5/10/08 08:48, in article -Z6dnetxRvo7qrjVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@supernews,com ,
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:
> Suffice it to say that I pray for my favorites to win
> and for my less-than-favorites to lose. I figure that
> God knows what to do with prayer like that, if anything.
Re: NASCAR Theology
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:19 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in <C44B639D.6043C%listpig@sbcglobal,net >:
>Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I reckon....
>Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and cause
>the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
>life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
I'm hoping that there will be a few recounts after
Judgment Day. It's conceivable to me that there
are victories all over the place that we cannot see
these days. Moral Victory points are just a taste
of a better world yet to come. :o)
Marty
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:19 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in <C44B639D.6043C%listpig@sbcglobal,net >:
>Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I reckon....
>Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and cause
>the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
>life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
I'm hoping that there will be a few recounts after
Judgment Day. It's conceivable to me that there
are victories all over the place that we cannot see
these days. Moral Victory points are just a taste
of a better world yet to come. :o)
Marty
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Re: NASCAR Theology
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:nLqdnUtT9qpYXLHVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:19 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net >
> wrote in <C44B639D.6043C%listpig@sbcglobal,net >:
>
>>Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I
>>reckon....
>
>>Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and
>>cause
>>the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
>>life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
>
> I'm hoping that there will be a few recounts after
> Judgment Day. It's conceivable to me that there
> are victories all over the place that we cannot see
> these days. Moral Victory points are just a taste
> of a better world yet to come. :o)
>
> Marty
Good point! MVP, the Lord's way of showing you that you are on the right
path..... hmmmmm..??.. better go see if I can patch things up with the
elders.....
;^)
Mike
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:nLqdnUtT9qpYXLHVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:19 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net >
> wrote in <C44B639D.6043C%listpig@sbcglobal,net >:
>
>>Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I
>>reckon....
>
>>Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and
>>cause
>>the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
>>life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
>
> I'm hoping that there will be a few recounts after
> Judgment Day. It's conceivable to me that there
> are victories all over the place that we cannot see
> these days. Moral Victory points are just a taste
> of a better world yet to come. :o)
>
> Marty
Good point! MVP, the Lord's way of showing you that you are on the right
path..... hmmmmm..??.. better go see if I can patch things up with the
elders.....
;^)
Mike
Re: NASCAR Theology
Do I read here an implication that the elders are *not* Junior fans?
How would one extrapolate what driver the elders do endorse?
--enquiring pigs want to know.....
On 5/16/08 12:11, in article ptydnX7HOrw4A7DVnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@posted.yhti,
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote:
>> I'm hoping that there will be a few recounts after
>> Judgment Day. It's conceivable to me that there
>> are victories all over the place that we cannot see
>> these days. Moral Victory points are just a taste
>> of a better world yet to come. :o)
>>
>> Marty
>
> Good point! MVP, the Lord's way of showing you that you are on the right
> path..... hmmmmm..??.. better go see if I can patch things up with the
> elders.....
Do I read here an implication that the elders are *not* Junior fans?
How would one extrapolate what driver the elders do endorse?
--enquiring pigs want to know.....
On 5/16/08 12:11, in article ptydnX7HOrw4A7DVnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@posted.yhti,
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote:
>> I'm hoping that there will be a few recounts after
>> Judgment Day. It's conceivable to me that there
>> are victories all over the place that we cannot see
>> these days. Moral Victory points are just a taste
>> of a better world yet to come. :o)
>>
>> Marty
>
> Good point! MVP, the Lord's way of showing you that you are on the right
> path..... hmmmmm..??.. better go see if I can patch things up with the
> elders.....
Re: NASCAR Theology
On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:59:19 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in <C45397F5.60847%listpig@sbcglobal,net >:
>Do I read here an implication that the elders are *not* Junior fans?
Mu.
>How would one extrapolate what driver the elders do endorse?
One climbs high on the Mountain and sits at the feet
of the elders, of course.
Marty
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:59:19 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in <C45397F5.60847%listpig@sbcglobal,net >:
>Do I read here an implication that the elders are *not* Junior fans?
Mu.
>How would one extrapolate what driver the elders do endorse?
One climbs high on the Mountain and sits at the feet
of the elders, of course.
Marty
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Re: NASCAR Theology
"Megan Zurawicz" <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:C44B639D.6043C%listpig@sbcglobal,net ...
> Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I
> reckon....
>
> Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and
> cause
> the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
> life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
>
> --pig
Ain't that the truth!
Mike
>
>
> On 5/10/08 08:48, in
> article -Z6dnetxRvo7qrjVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@supernews,com ,
> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:
>
>> Suffice it to say that I pray for my favorites to win
>> and for my less-than-favorites to lose. I figure that
>> God knows what to do with prayer like that, if anything.
>
"Megan Zurawicz" <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:C44B639D.6043C%listpig@sbcglobal,net ...
> Finds it interesting what people care about enough to pray for, I
> reckon....
>
> Good thing, however, that God doesn't tally up prayers like votes and
> cause
> the outcome of the race to come out according to who got the most prayers;
> life would be very boring with Junior winning every race :)
>
> --pig
Ain't that the truth!
Mike
>
>
> On 5/10/08 08:48, in
> article -Z6dnetxRvo7qrjVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@supernews,com ,
> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:
>
>> Suffice it to say that I pray for my favorites to win
>> and for my less-than-favorites to lose. I figure that
>> God knows what to do with prayer like that, if anything.
>
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