Race payouts

Race payouts

I got a question that I've been wondering about. How do they (NASCAR)
figure out how much each position pays at the end of the races? I have
noticed that some drivers are paid more even if they place 5-10 positions
behind the winner.

Re: Race payouts

Pete wrote:
> I got a question that I've been wondering about. How do they (NASCAR)
> figure out how much each position pays at the end of the races? I have
> noticed that some drivers are paid more even if they place 5-10
> positions behind the winner.

http :// www .nascar,com /2002/kyn/nascar 101/02/02/Money/index.html

How money is distributed in NASCAR
February 25, 2004
1:52 PM EST (1852 GMT)

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Who wins what amount of money from competing in a
NASCAR Nextel Cup Series race can seem like a complicated process --
with the most compelling question being how a driver that finishes far
back can win more money than a driver that finishes in the top 10?

An example would be the 2002 Old Dominion 500 at Martinsville Speedway,
where Jimmie Johnson won $49,550 for his sixth place finish, while Jeff
Gordon won $90,753 -- the fifth highest payout in the race -- for his
36th place result.

The biggest reason for the money disparity is in the bonus programs that
Gordon, as the defending champion and driving for one of the leading
winners in the series, Hendrick Motorsports, is eligible for more
special award plans than a newer team, such as Johnson's first-year
operation, is.

As convoluted as it seems, the process is actually fairly simple and is
regulated by the entry blanks that the NASCAR Competition Department
issues in advance of each event.

Each race carries a purse figure, or its "posted awards."

The purse is comprised of a number of segments, including the racing
purse; television awards; car owner special award plans, including the
Winner's Circle Program; and a list of qualifying and special awards
that may or may not be paid depending on the eligibility of the driver
finishing in the appropriate position.

The racing purse breakdown designates a set amount for positions 1-43
that decreases on a sliding scale. "Television Awards" are also posted
for each position, using the same sliding scale from first to 43rd.

NASCAR Nextel Cup team owners may participate in special award plans,
such as "Plan 1," which allows for a set figure for each owner. Car
owners participating in Plan 1c win money for their finishing position
in relation to the other owners in the plan, again on a decreasing scale.

Those owners participating in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series Car/Champion
Owner Program are also entitled to additional awards, per the
regulations of the program.

Among the largest special awards at each race are the NASCAR Nextel
Leader Bonus, Time Trial Awards and the Gatorade Front Runner Award.

The Nextel Leader Bonus is a modern day version of "Studebaker money."
The money is available to the race winner IF he is also leading the
Nextel Cup standings after the event. If the winner is not the point
leader, the money -- which accrues at the rate of $10,000 per event --
is not paid.

The Gatorade Front Runner Award, $10,000, goes to the driver that leads
the most laps in the race, regardless of finishing position.

Most of the other manufacturers' and special award prizes are contingent
on using the products and displaying uniform patches or decals.

At certain events special prizes are awarded to the leader of each lap
in the race.

These days, about 75 percent of the posted awards are paid after each
event, per the official NASCAR race report. The balance of the posted
awards is the "Manufacturer's Point Fund Awards," a prorated share of
nearly $15 million in manufacturer and sponsor funds that are
distributed at the end of the season.

While a certain portion of each purse is guaranteed to be paid after the
event, some of the cash is what formerly was referred to as Studebaker
money, placed in the purse simply for appearance sake.

The term refers to money offered on a purse, say "$10,000 to the winner
if he is driving a Studebaker." The $10,000 would be reflected in the
total posted awards, making them more impressive, but the chance of a
Studebaker winning would be miniscule.

Re: Race payouts

Thank you, that does explain a lot. I actually understand it, well for the
most part!!! I still think they should pay the top prize for first, then
declining amounts down to position 24. You would see some real racing then!
The cookie cutter cars they have now are too even and boring to watch even
though they are safer. I will still watch NASCAR though along with my
favorite Formula One.


"Roger" <good2go@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:48430f3b$0$4062$9a566e8b@news.aliant,net ...
> Pete wrote:
>> I got a question that I've been wondering about. How do they (NASCAR)
>> figure out how much each position pays at the end of the races? I have
>> noticed that some drivers are paid more even if they place 5-10 positions
>> behind the winner.
>
> http :// www .nascar,com /2002/kyn/nascar 101/02/02/Money/index.html
>
> How money is distributed in NASCAR
> February 25, 2004
> 1:52 PM EST (1852 GMT)
>
> DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Who wins what amount of money from competing in a
> NASCAR Nextel Cup Series race can seem like a complicated process --
> with the most compelling question being how a driver that finishes far
> back can win more money than a driver that finishes in the top 10?
>
> An example would be the 2002 Old Dominion 500 at Martinsville Speedway,
> where Jimmie Johnson won $49,550 for his sixth place finish, while Jeff
> Gordon won $90,753 -- the fifth highest payout in the race -- for his 36th
> place result.
>
> The biggest reason for the money disparity is in the bonus programs that
> Gordon, as the defending champion and driving for one of the leading
> winners in the series, Hendrick Motorsports, is eligible for more special
> award plans than a newer team, such as Johnson's first-year operation, is.
>
> As convoluted as it seems, the process is actually fairly simple and is
> regulated by the entry blanks that the NASCAR Competition Department
> issues in advance of each event.
>
> Each race carries a purse figure, or its "posted awards."
>
> The purse is comprised of a number of segments, including the racing
> purse; television awards; car owner special award plans, including the
> Winner's Circle Program; and a list of qualifying and special awards that
> may or may not be paid depending on the eligibility of the driver
> finishing in the appropriate position.
>
> The racing purse breakdown designates a set amount for positions 1-43 that
> decreases on a sliding scale. "Television Awards" are also posted for each
> position, using the same sliding scale from first to 43rd.
>
> NASCAR Nextel Cup team owners may participate in special award plans, such
> as "Plan 1," which allows for a set figure for each owner. Car owners
> participating in Plan 1c win money for their finishing position in
> relation to the other owners in the plan, again on a decreasing scale.
>
> Those owners participating in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series Car/Champion
> Owner Program are also entitled to additional awards, per the regulations
> of the program.
>
> Among the largest special awards at each race are the NASCAR Nextel Leader
> Bonus, Time Trial Awards and the Gatorade Front Runner Award.
>
> The Nextel Leader Bonus is a modern day version of "Studebaker money." The
> money is available to the race winner IF he is also leading the Nextel Cup
> standings after the event. If the winner is not the point leader, the
> money -- which accrues at the rate of $10,000 per event --
> is not paid.
>
> The Gatorade Front Runner Award, $10,000, goes to the driver that leads
> the most laps in the race, regardless of finishing position.
>
> Most of the other manufacturers' and special award prizes are contingent
> on using the products and displaying uniform patches or decals.
>
> At certain events special prizes are awarded to the leader of each lap in
> the race.
>
> These days, about 75 percent of the posted awards are paid after each
> event, per the official NASCAR race report. The balance of the posted
> awards is the "Manufacturer's Point Fund Awards," a prorated share of
> nearly $15 million in manufacturer and sponsor funds that are distributed
> at the end of the season.
>
> While a certain portion of each purse is guaranteed to be paid after the
> event, some of the cash is what formerly was referred to as Studebaker
> money, placed in the purse simply for appearance sake.
>
> The term refers to money offered on a purse, say "$10,000 to the winner if
> he is driving a Studebaker." The $10,000 would be reflected in the total
> posted awards, making them more impressive, but the chance of a Studebaker
> winning would be miniscule.
>

Re: Race payouts

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:32:09 CST, "Pete" <psteak8913@atlanticbb,net > wrote in
<9fadnZBwg5bBmdnVnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@posted.echolabs>:

> ... The cookie cutter cars they have now are too even and boring to watch even
>though they are safer. ...

I expect that the teams are going to get used to
them and keep learning what makes them tick.

Tightening the formula is what keeps the different
makes competitive with each other. It solves the
problem of weekly aerodynamic tweaks.

I realize that it also means that the makes lose
their visual identity. I'm content with the
tradeoff. The pre-aero cars certainly provided
a lot more eye-candy. I can't see the sport
going back thataway.

It's not stock-car racing. It's Formula NASCAR
racing.

Marty
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Re: Race payouts

The way the cars look is no concern of mine, it's just the races are kind of
boring with the new car. That hasn't changed that much except for the
splitter on the front as far as I am concerned. Look at the qualification
times, if your as little as 1 thousands of a second off your way back in the
field. It's the same as the ARCA cars now with the races being so boring.
I don't go to the local tracks so don't know what your referring to. I
still love NASCAR and will follow them but it's just boring right now. BTW,
I thought they were not to do the "crabbing" anymore. There were some in
Dover that sure were doing the same thing so they haven't quit doing that.
You could see it in the qualifying but not as much in the race.


"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:xe2dnXaVJ9asgtnVnZ2dnUVZ qqgnZ2d@supernews,com ...
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:32:09 CST, "Pete" <psteak8913@atlanticbb,net > wrote
> in
> <9fadnZBwg5bBmdnVnZ2dnUVZ rrinZ2d@posted.echolabs>:
>
>> ... The cookie cutter cars they have now are too even and boring to watch
>> even
>>though they are safer. ...
>
> I expect that the teams are going to get used to
> them and keep learning what makes them tick.
>
> Tightening the formula is what keeps the different
> makes competitive with each other. It solves the
> problem of weekly aerodynamic tweaks.
>
> I realize that it also means that the makes lose
> their visual identity. I'm content with the
> tradeoff. The pre-aero cars certainly provided
> a lot more eye-candy. I can't see the sport
> going back thataway.
>
> It's not stock-car racing. It's Formula NASCAR
> racing.
>
> Marty
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Re: Race payouts

"Pete" <psteak8913@atlanticbb,net > wrote in
news:8-2dnflwGJ7ngNjVnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@posted.echolabs:

> BTW, I thought they were not to do
> the "crabbing" anymore. There were some in Dover that sure were doing
> the same thing so they haven't quit doing that. You could see it in
> the qualifying but not as much in the race.

They are limited in how much they can do (starting at Dover). Prior
to last week's race, some teams were angling the rear housing over
2 degrees. Now they are limited to not more than 1 degree.

It appearing in qualifying as if a lot of cars were sliding a little
coming out of the turns, which might have increased the appearance
that they were angled with respect to their direction of motion.

John

Re: Race payouts

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:31:48 CST, "Pete" <psteak8913@atlanticbb,net > wrote in
<8-2dnflwGJ7ngNjVnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@posted.echolabs>:

>The way the cars look is no concern of mine, it's just the races are kind of
>boring with the new car.

Ah. I thought you were talking about looks when you
called them "cookie cutter cars."

>That hasn't changed that much except for the
>splitter on the front as far as I am concerned. Look at the qualification
>times, if your as little as 1 thousands of a second off your way back in the
>field.

That suggests to me that the competition is very tight.
Of course, the differences are greater in race trim;
then you add in the other variables: pit crews,
mid-race adjustments, driver skills in the pack,
etc.

>It's the same as the ARCA cars now with the races being so boring.

Boredom, like beauty, may be in the eye of the beholder.

Because of the way my life is going, I rarely have time
to watch a whole race. I pick up a few snippets on radio
or TV, then read some race reviews here or at Jayski's.
Even when I'm watching a race, I'll channel surf heavily.

Back in the days when I would watch a race almost whole
and entire (the 1980s), I had fewer channels to choose
from. The internet as we know it hadn't been developed.
In-car cameras were new. The cars were crude by today's
standards; there were fewer cameras and talent around
the track; there was (I believe) much less competition.
But the show was more entertaining because I was ready
and willing to be entertained by it.

> ... I still love NASCAR and will follow them but
> it's just boring right now.

I doubt that a few tweaks in the formula will help
you. And I am Morally Certain that NASCAR is not going
to make major tweaks (banning aero fittings; using
stock cars as templates; abandoning the tubular chassis
or getting rid of motors with pushrods and carburetors).

I'm not sure that the Car of Yesterday produced vastly
more entertaining racing. Even if you wanted to bring
back the look and feel of some classic era (1970s,
1980s, 1990s), today's teams would produce races very
different from those that took place under the classic
formulas. They've learned too much from the last
three decades of racing, and no rules change is going
to cause the teams collectively to lose their minds.

> BTW,
>I thought they were not to do the "crabbing" anymore.

They set a limit to it:

>> ... Darby said teams have been adjusting the rear end in
>> excess of
>> two degrees. NASCAR limited the adjustment to one degree.(ESPN,com )m this
>> rule
>> takes effect as of the race at Dover next weekend.(5-22-2008)"

>> http :// www .jayski,com /teams/nastuff.htm

>There were some in
>Dover that sure were doing the same thing so they haven't quit doing that.
>You could see it in the qualifying but not as much in the race.

My eyes aren't good enough to see it.

Or else I don't watch enough qualifying, as the case
may be. ;o)

Marty
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