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Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
(outstanding!) luck?
One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that is
the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin and
Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he is
driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned with.
It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty or
Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just a
flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
Mike
As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
(outstanding!) luck?
One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that is
the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin and
Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he is
driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned with.
It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty or
Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just a
flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
Mike
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:29:40 CST, "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in <pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti>:
>As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>(outstanding!) luck?
Phenom primarily.
But it is not a strict either/or. Exceptionally talented
people can also get lucky.
>One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that is
>the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin and
>Smoke aren't doing better?
Hamlin and Smoke are in the top-12 (9th and 11th).
Hamlin has won once. TS has a couple of moral victories.
I'm gonna give HMS some credit. I bet Kyle did more work
on the CoT with them than Hamlin or TS did with Gibbs.
Kyle won the first CoT race. He has bad-mouthed the car,
but he seems to have a gift for making it work for him.
I'm liking this idea the more I think about it. Something
about him and the CoT has clicked.
>Also, even in the truck series where he is
>driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned with.
The theory that the Cot is good for Kyle probably doesn't
cover the trucks.
OK--new theory. Racing, like poker, rewards aggression.
It takes energy to be aggressive.
Kyle is hyperactive and has lots of energy to burn.
He may also be carrying a chip on his shoulder and
have higher than average motivation to win.
"Ninety percent of this game is mental, and the other
half is physical" (Yogi Berra). I was thinking about
the power of optimism when Kahne won for the second
time last week.
>It would be very interesting to see how he would
>perform in say a Petty or Ganassi car.
Better than their current drivers; not as well as
he is doing with Toyota.
>I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just a
>flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
The next JG. Or the next JJ. Or the next Tony Stewart.
I think he's going to be very hard to beat for many years
to come.
Marty
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:29:40 CST, "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in <pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti>:
>As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>(outstanding!) luck?
Phenom primarily.
But it is not a strict either/or. Exceptionally talented
people can also get lucky.
>One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that is
>the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin and
>Smoke aren't doing better?
Hamlin and Smoke are in the top-12 (9th and 11th).
Hamlin has won once. TS has a couple of moral victories.
I'm gonna give HMS some credit. I bet Kyle did more work
on the CoT with them than Hamlin or TS did with Gibbs.
Kyle won the first CoT race. He has bad-mouthed the car,
but he seems to have a gift for making it work for him.
I'm liking this idea the more I think about it. Something
about him and the CoT has clicked.
>Also, even in the truck series where he is
>driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned with.
The theory that the Cot is good for Kyle probably doesn't
cover the trucks.
OK--new theory. Racing, like poker, rewards aggression.
It takes energy to be aggressive.
Kyle is hyperactive and has lots of energy to burn.
He may also be carrying a chip on his shoulder and
have higher than average motivation to win.
"Ninety percent of this game is mental, and the other
half is physical" (Yogi Berra). I was thinking about
the power of optimism when Kahne won for the second
time last week.
>It would be very interesting to see how he would
>perform in say a Petty or Ganassi car.
Better than their current drivers; not as well as
he is doing with Toyota.
>I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just a
>flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
The next JG. Or the next JJ. Or the next Tony Stewart.
I think he's going to be very hard to beat for many years
to come.
Marty
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Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
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> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
> (outstanding!) luck?
>
> One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that
> is the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin
> and Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he is
> driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned
> with.
>
> It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty or
> Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just a
> flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
>
Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
news:pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti...
> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
> (outstanding!) luck?
>
> One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that
> is the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin
> and Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he is
> driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned
> with.
>
> It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty or
> Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just a
> flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
>
Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:11:48 CST, "John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in <TxU0k.62$yi.36@newsfe13.lga>:
>Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
>having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
>compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. ...
You are, of course, correct that we will only know the
whole story of how good KyBu is when the fat lady has
sung.
I'm too lazy to do a statistical analysis of JG's early
years vs. Kyle's career to date. Even if we had the
numbers in hand, some allowance has to be made for the
change in NASCAR between the two drivers. I have a
feeling that NASCAR is more competitive now than when
JG got started--and, in part, because of the way he
and HMS cleaned up. I doubt that we will ever see
anybody put together 13 wins in a season. It seems
to me that we've got more excellent drivers, more
excellent teams, and more competition than there was
in the past.
Having said all that, I was amazed that there were only
five cars on the lead lap this last weekend--on a
1-mile track! I don't know whether that's normal
for the Monster Mile or whether it is an indication
of how dominant KyBu was. Just dealing with my
impressions, which are very fuzzy and not altogether
reliable, it seems to me that stuff like this happened
more often back in the 80s and 90s than in the last
ten years or so. I generally expect more than half
the field to be on the lead lap at the end.
Marty
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:11:48 CST, "John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in <TxU0k.62$yi.36@newsfe13.lga>:
>Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
>having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
>compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. ...
You are, of course, correct that we will only know the
whole story of how good KyBu is when the fat lady has
sung.
I'm too lazy to do a statistical analysis of JG's early
years vs. Kyle's career to date. Even if we had the
numbers in hand, some allowance has to be made for the
change in NASCAR between the two drivers. I have a
feeling that NASCAR is more competitive now than when
JG got started--and, in part, because of the way he
and HMS cleaned up. I doubt that we will ever see
anybody put together 13 wins in a season. It seems
to me that we've got more excellent drivers, more
excellent teams, and more competition than there was
in the past.
Having said all that, I was amazed that there were only
five cars on the lead lap this last weekend--on a
1-mile track! I don't know whether that's normal
for the Monster Mile or whether it is an indication
of how dominant KyBu was. Just dealing with my
impressions, which are very fuzzy and not altogether
reliable, it seems to me that stuff like this happened
more often back in the 80s and 90s than in the last
ten years or so. I generally expect more than half
the field to be on the lead lap at the end.
Marty
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Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
"John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in
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> Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He
> is having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back
> and compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
I tend to agree with you. Every once in a while a driver gets on
a hot streak, and it just seems like everything works for him -
he's got the best car, the best pit crew, he always makes the
right choice in traffic or dodging an accident, his crew chief
always guesses right about 2 tires or 4 or fuel mileage or
whatever. And he wins a bunch of races.
Then next year nothing works, and we wonder what happened.
John
"John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in
news:TxU0k.62$yi.36@newsfe13.lga:
> Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He
> is having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back
> and compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
I tend to agree with you. Every once in a while a driver gets on
a hot streak, and it just seems like everything works for him -
he's got the best car, the best pit crew, he always makes the
right choice in traffic or dodging an accident, his crew chief
always guesses right about 2 tires or 4 or fuel mileage or
whatever. And he wins a bunch of races.
Then next year nothing works, and we wonder what happened.
John
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:07:05 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AB1CCEE6592Cpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
> ... Every once in a while a driver gets on
>a hot streak, and it just seems like everything works for him -
>he's got the best car, the best pit crew, he always makes the
>right choice in traffic or dodging an accident, his crew chief
>always guesses right about 2 tires or 4 or fuel mileage or
>whatever. And he wins a bunch of races.
>Then next year nothing works, and we wonder what happened.
Ryan Newman.
Won 8 races one year, went nowhere after that (so far).
It can't all be to his credit or blame.
Marty
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:07:05 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AB1CCEE6592Cpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
> ... Every once in a while a driver gets on
>a hot streak, and it just seems like everything works for him -
>he's got the best car, the best pit crew, he always makes the
>right choice in traffic or dodging an accident, his crew chief
>always guesses right about 2 tires or 4 or fuel mileage or
>whatever. And he wins a bunch of races.
>Then next year nothing works, and we wonder what happened.
Ryan Newman.
Won 8 races one year, went nowhere after that (so far).
It can't all be to his credit or blame.
Marty
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Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
"John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in message
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> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
> news:pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti...
>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>> (outstanding!) luck?
>>
>> One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that
>> is the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin
>> and Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he
>> is driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned
>> with.
>>
>> It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty
>> or Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just
>> a flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
>>
>
>
> Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
> having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
> compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
John:
I didn't say he was, I asked a question for discussion. Is he the real
deal, or a flash in the pan? I dunno, but as you say, time will tell.
Mike
>
"John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in message
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> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
> news:pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti...
>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>> (outstanding!) luck?
>>
>> One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that
>> is the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin
>> and Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he
>> is driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned
>> with.
>>
>> It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty
>> or Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just
>> a flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
>>
>
>
> Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
> having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
> compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
John:
I didn't say he was, I asked a question for discussion. Is he the real
deal, or a flash in the pan? I dunno, but as you say, time will tell.
Mike
>
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
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>
> "John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:TxU0k.62$yi.36@newsfe13.lga...
>> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
>> news:pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti...
>>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all
>>> think that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of
>>> good (outstanding!) luck?
>>>
>>> One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that
>>> is the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin
>>> and Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he
>>> is driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned
>>> with.
>>>
>>> It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty
>>> or Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just
>>> a flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
>> having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
>> compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
>
> John:
>
> I didn't say he was, I asked a question for discussion. Is he the real
> deal, or a flash in the pan? I dunno, but as you say, time will tell.
>
> Mike
>
>
Well, I think you should have used someone other than Woods, maybe Gordon
when he first got hot or someone like that. Anyways, right now, I think
Busch is a good driver who has great equipment and is hot. I don't see him
being the next Petty or Earnhardt. As someone said in this thread, Newman
had the same type of year at one point and everyone thought he was the next
"Woods" but nothing happened there. Too early for me to think of Busch of
anything other than hot.
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
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>
> "John Poutre" <mehatespam@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:TxU0k.62$yi.36@newsfe13.lga...
>> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
>> news:pcidndiiFNBYntnVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@posted.yhti...
>>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all
>>> think that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of
>>> good (outstanding!) luck?
>>>
>>> One could argue that it's because of the switch to Toyota, not Kyle that
>>> is the reason, but if that is the case, how come his stable mates Hamlin
>>> and Smoke aren't doing better? Also, even in the truck series where he
>>> is driving for a seemingly second rate team he is a force to be reckoned
>>> with.
>>>
>>> It would be very interesting to see how he would perform in say a Petty
>>> or Ganassi car. I guess I'm curious as to what y'all think. Is he just
>>> a flash in the pan or are we witnessing the next Jeff Gordon?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, let's all take a deep breath. Comparing him to Tiger Woods? He is
>> having a nice streak and is a good driver. Tiger Woods? Come back and
>> compare him when he has won 4 or 5 championships. Geeze.
>
> John:
>
> I didn't say he was, I asked a question for discussion. Is he the real
> deal, or a flash in the pan? I dunno, but as you say, time will tell.
>
> Mike
>
>
Well, I think you should have used someone other than Woods, maybe Gordon
when he first got hot or someone like that. Anyways, right now, I think
Busch is a good driver who has great equipment and is hot. I don't see him
being the next Petty or Earnhardt. As someone said in this thread, Newman
had the same type of year at one point and everyone thought he was the next
"Woods" but nothing happened there. Too early for me to think of Busch of
anything other than hot.
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
> (outstanding!) luck?
>
> Mike
Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
on the list.
http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
N.
On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
> (outstanding!) luck?
>
> Mike
Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
on the list.
http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
N.
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>> (outstanding!) luck?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> on the list.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> N.
>
JJ is 30th
Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>> (outstanding!) luck?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> on the list.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> N.
>
JJ is 30th
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
On Jun 3, 4:59 pm, SG <spaamtrap...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
> >> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
> >> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
> >> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
> >> (outstanding!) luck?
>
> >> Mike
>
> > Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> > out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> > the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> > on the list.
> > http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> > N.
>
> JJ is 30th- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Damn. Wrong again. I thought I'd read through the entire list -
probably I missed that page. LOL.
N.
On Jun 3, 4:59 pm, SG <spaamtrap...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
> >> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
> >> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
> >> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
> >> (outstanding!) luck?
>
> >> Mike
>
> > Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> > out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> > the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> > on the list.
> > http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> > N.
>
> JJ is 30th- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Damn. Wrong again. I thought I'd read through the entire list -
probably I missed that page. LOL.
N.
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>> (outstanding!) luck?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> on the list.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> N.
>
You missed JJ. He's in there, somewhere. I'm not going back to find him ;)
--
Larry
http :// larrysnatureshots,com
"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jun 2, 10:29 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike...@yhti,net > wrote:
>> As many of you know, I am no Kyle Busch fan, but I can't help but be
>> impressed with how the young man is performing this year. Do y'all think
>> that he is the phenom he appears to be, or is this just a run of good
>> (outstanding!) luck?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> on the list.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> N.
>
You missed JJ. He's in there, somewhere. I'm not going back to find him ;)
--
Larry
http :// larrysnatureshots,com
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
Nancy2 <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in
news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> on the list.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
I'm a tad sceptical of their numbers for the race drivers. The
contracts for the stick & ball guys are public knowledge, and for
most of them the endorsements are small, so their numbers should
be accurate. But for the drivers their contracts are kept very
secret, and I think SI forgot about them...
Take Gordon. They have salary + winnings as 10,9. But they
give track winnings as 7,1 and points winnings as 3,3. That's
10,4 for winnings, which would mean his salary is only 500k.
I find it highly unlikely that Gordon's salary (or retainer
as they tend to call it) is only 500k. Especially since we know
Joe Nemechek, a slightly less skilled driver, had a salary of
1,2 from Ginn.
I'd guess they've shorted both Gordon and Earnhardt by about
5 mill in salary, which would move them both up by maybe 3
places in the list.
John
Nancy2 <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in
news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> on the list.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
I'm a tad sceptical of their numbers for the race drivers. The
contracts for the stick & ball guys are public knowledge, and for
most of them the endorsements are small, so their numbers should
be accurate. But for the drivers their contracts are kept very
secret, and I think SI forgot about them...
Take Gordon. They have salary + winnings as 10,9. But they
give track winnings as 7,1 and points winnings as 3,3. That's
10,4 for winnings, which would mean his salary is only 500k.
I find it highly unlikely that Gordon's salary (or retainer
as they tend to call it) is only 500k. Especially since we know
Joe Nemechek, a slightly less skilled driver, had a salary of
1,2 from Ginn.
I'd guess they've shorted both Gordon and Earnhardt by about
5 mill in salary, which would move them both up by maybe 3
places in the list.
John
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
That also leaves out such stuff as any profits from JR Motorsports, and/or
whatever Jeff's slice of Jimmie is.......
Come to think of it, it appears to leave out all investment income for
anyone, which could make a significant difference.
--pig
On 6/3/08 23:37, in article Xns9AB2E6AE8E677pogosupernews@216.168.3.30,
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> Nancy2 <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in
> news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
>
>> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
>> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
>> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
>> on the list.
>> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> I'm a tad sceptical of their numbers for the race drivers. The
> contracts for the stick & ball guys are public knowledge, and for
> most of them the endorsements are small, so their numbers should
> be accurate. But for the drivers their contracts are kept very
> secret, and I think SI forgot about them...
>
> Take Gordon. They have salary + winnings as 10,9. But they
> give track winnings as 7,1 and points winnings as 3,3. That's
> 10,4 for winnings, which would mean his salary is only 500k.
> I find it highly unlikely that Gordon's salary (or retainer
> as they tend to call it) is only 500k. Especially since we know
> Joe Nemechek, a slightly less skilled driver, had a salary of
> 1,2 from Ginn.
>
> I'd guess they've shorted both Gordon and Earnhardt by about
> 5 mill in salary, which would move them both up by maybe 3
> places in the list.
>
> John
>
That also leaves out such stuff as any profits from JR Motorsports, and/or
whatever Jeff's slice of Jimmie is.......
Come to think of it, it appears to leave out all investment income for
anyone, which could make a significant difference.
--pig
On 6/3/08 23:37, in article Xns9AB2E6AE8E677pogosupernews@216.168.3.30,
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> Nancy2 <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in
> news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
>
>> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
>> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
>> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
>> on the list.
>> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> I'm a tad sceptical of their numbers for the race drivers. The
> contracts for the stick & ball guys are public knowledge, and for
> most of them the endorsements are small, so their numbers should
> be accurate. But for the drivers their contracts are kept very
> secret, and I think SI forgot about them...
>
> Take Gordon. They have salary + winnings as 10,9. But they
> give track winnings as 7,1 and points winnings as 3,3. That's
> 10,4 for winnings, which would mean his salary is only 500k.
> I find it highly unlikely that Gordon's salary (or retainer
> as they tend to call it) is only 500k. Especially since we know
> Joe Nemechek, a slightly less skilled driver, had a salary of
> 1,2 from Ginn.
>
> I'd guess they've shorted both Gordon and Earnhardt by about
> 5 mill in salary, which would move them both up by maybe 3
> places in the list.
>
> John
>
Re: Is KyBu the Tiger Woods of NASCAR?
On Jun 4, 9:48 am, Megan Zurawicz <list...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> That also leaves out such stuff as any profits from JR Motorsports, and/or
> whatever Jeff's slice of Jimmie is.......
>
> Come to think of it, it appears to leave out all investment income for
> anyone, which could make a significant difference.
>
> --pig
>
> On 6/3/08 23:37, in article Xns9AB2E6AE8E677pogosupern...@216.168.3.30,
>
>
>
> "John McCoy" <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> > Nancy2 <nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu> wrote in
> >news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
>
> >> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> >> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> >> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> >> on the list.
> >> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> > I'm a tad sceptical of their numbers for the race drivers. The
> > contracts for the stick & ball guys are public knowledge, and for
> > most of them the endorsements are small, so their numbers should
> > be accurate. But for the drivers their contracts are kept very
> > secret, and I think SI forgot about them...
>
> > Take Gordon. They have salary + winnings as 10,9. But they
> > give track winnings as 7,1 and points winnings as 3,3. That's
> > 10,4 for winnings, which would mean his salary is only 500k.
> > I find it highly unlikely that Gordon's salary (or retainer
> > as they tend to call it) is only 500k. Especially since we know
> > Joe Nemechek, a slightly less skilled driver, had a salary of
> > 1,2 from Ginn.
>
> > I'd guess they've shorted both Gordon and Earnhardt by about
> > 5 mill in salary, which would move them both up by maybe 3
> > places in the list.
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm sure Nascar and the teams don't care at all what SI shows, and
won't share figures that they historically have never shared. It does
make a mockery of the list, to a certain extent, though.
N.
On Jun 4, 9:48 am, Megan Zurawicz <list...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> That also leaves out such stuff as any profits from JR Motorsports, and/or
> whatever Jeff's slice of Jimmie is.......
>
> Come to think of it, it appears to leave out all investment income for
> anyone, which could make a significant difference.
>
> --pig
>
> On 6/3/08 23:37, in article Xns9AB2E6AE8E677pogosupern...@216.168.3.30,
>
>
>
> "John McCoy" <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> > Nancy2 <nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu> wrote in
> >news:ad3ad4e3-f1cc-4cec-8610-f3ef163b7ced@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
>
> >> Not "Tiger" yet in terms of money - the top 50 athletes' numbers are
> >> out, with DEJ at # 11, and JG at # 14. No other Nascar stars are on
> >> the top 50 list. It's DEJ's endorsement deals that put him above JG
> >> on the list.
> >> http :// tinyurl,com /6p32gg
>
> > I'm a tad sceptical of their numbers for the race drivers. The
> > contracts for the stick & ball guys are public knowledge, and for
> > most of them the endorsements are small, so their numbers should
> > be accurate. But for the drivers their contracts are kept very
> > secret, and I think SI forgot about them...
>
> > Take Gordon. They have salary + winnings as 10,9. But they
> > give track winnings as 7,1 and points winnings as 3,3. That's
> > 10,4 for winnings, which would mean his salary is only 500k.
> > I find it highly unlikely that Gordon's salary (or retainer
> > as they tend to call it) is only 500k. Especially since we know
> > Joe Nemechek, a slightly less skilled driver, had a salary of
> > 1,2 from Ginn.
>
> > I'd guess they've shorted both Gordon and Earnhardt by about
> > 5 mill in salary, which would move them both up by maybe 3
> > places in the list.
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm sure Nascar and the teams don't care at all what SI shows, and
won't share figures that they historically have never shared. It does
make a mockery of the list, to a certain extent, though.
N.
