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RIP Scott Kalitta

Reply from: SG
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 02:04
RIP Scott Kalitta

Killed during a qualifying run at Englishtown, NJ today.

http :// www .nj,com /news/index.ssf/2008/06/driver killed in crash at old.html


Reply from: John McCoy
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 03:36
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:5eydnchsRup4FcDVnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast,com :

> Killed during a qualifying run at Englishtown, NJ today.
>
> http :// www .nj,com /news/index.ssf/2008/06/driver_killed_in_crash_at_old.
> html

Sad. Sympathy to his family. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's
anything can be done to make drag racing safer, short of a radical
change in the rules to slow the cars down.

John


Reply from: SG
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 03:46
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

John McCoy wrote:
> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
> news:5eydnchsRup4FcDVnZ2dnUVZ sadnZ2d@comcast,com :
>
>> Killed during a qualifying run at Englishtown, NJ today.
>>
>> http :// www .nj,com /news/index.ssf/2008/06/driver killed in crash at old.
>> html
>
> Sad. Sympathy to his family. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's
> anything can be done to make drag racing safer, short of a radical
> change in the rules to slow the cars down.
>
> John
>

anyone that follows drag racing at all knows that there is a sand pit
and a catch net at the end of the strip at all tracks, unfortunately it
looks like this particular tracks retaining wall curves around this pit
and net at the end preventing cars from going further into the woods, it
appears that the car exploded at the finish and never slowed, went
through the pit the net and more than likely hit that wall head
on....this is all speculation on my part from what little you could tell
from the replay showed, the end is just a big dust cloud


as with all tragic accidents hopefully much is learned in the name of
safety and they remedy that wall and the woods and extend the runoff area


Reply from: SG
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 04:12
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

SG wrote:
> John McCoy wrote:
>> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
>> news:5eydnchsRup4FcDVnZ2dnUVZ sadnZ2d@comcast,com :
>>> Killed during a qualifying run at Englishtown, NJ today.
>>>
>>> http :// www .nj,com /news/index.ssf/2008/06/driver killed in crash at old.
>>> html
>>
>> Sad. Sympathy to his family. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's
>> anything can be done to make drag racing safer, short of a radical
>> change in the rules to slow the cars down.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> anyone that follows drag racing at all knows that there is a sand pit
> and a catch net at the end of the strip at all tracks, unfortunately it
> looks like this particular tracks retaining wall curves around this pit
> and net at the end preventing cars from going further into the woods, it
> appears that the car exploded at the finish and never slowed, went
> through the pit the net and more than likely hit that wall head
> on....this is all speculation on my part from what little you could tell
> from the replay showed, the end is just a big dust cloud
>
>
> as with all tragic accidents hopefully much is learned in the name of
> safety and they remedy that wall and the woods and extend the runoff area
>

and of course, it's on youtube already

WARNING - NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU


Reply from: Foxinator
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 23:53
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta


"SG" <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:gYOdnU7Im65bPcDVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> John McCoy wrote:
>> SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
>> news:5eydnchsRup4FcDVnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast,com :
>>> Killed during a qualifying run at Englishtown, NJ today.
>>>
>>> http :// www .nj,com /news/index.ssf/2008/06/driver_killed_in_crash_at_old.
>>> html
>>
>> Sad. Sympathy to his family. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's
>> anything can be done to make drag racing safer, short of a radical
>> change in the rules to slow the cars down.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> anyone that follows drag racing at all knows that there is a sand pit and
> a catch net at the end of the strip at all tracks, unfortunately it looks
> like this particular tracks retaining wall curves around this pit and net
> at the end preventing cars from going further into the woods, it appears
> that the car exploded at the finish and never slowed, went through the pit
> the net and more than likely hit that wall head on....this is all
> speculation on my part from what little you could tell from the replay
> showed, the end is just a big dust cloud
>
>
> as with all tragic accidents hopefully much is learned in the name of
> safety and they remedy that wall and the woods and extend the runoff area
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------

RIP Scott.



Reply from: DAVe
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 15:58
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

On Jun 21, 10:58 pm, Another Ole Fart <e...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> DAVe <smalleys...@gmail,com > wrote innews:d0eb0641-4529-4f36-a81d-2a3c7181228e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 7:36 pm, John McCoy <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> >> SG <spaamtrap...@yahoo,com > wrote
> >> innews:5eydnchsRup4FcDVnZ2dnUVZ sadnZ2d@comcast,com :
>
> >> > Killed during a qualifying run at Englishtown, NJ today.
>
> >> > http :// www .nj,com /news/index.ssf/2008/06/driver killed in crash at ol
> >> >d.
> >> > html
>
> >> Sad. Sympathy to his family. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's
> >> anything can be done to make drag racing safer, short of a radical
> >> change in the rules to slow the cars down.
>
> >> John
>
> > IMHO they need a lot more slow down area at that. He slammed into a
> > retaining wall at near full speed. That wall should not have been
> > there at all.
>
> Unfortunately if that was haden't been there, there was a small row of
> trees and then a busy street, the only street that brings traffic to the
> racetrack from the west. At that speed had that curved wall not been
> there, the car would have made it to a public street.
>
> Check it out on google earth or flashearth search for Old Bridge NJ and
> look for the airportthe west end of the runway and dragstrip are within
> 100 yds of eachother and Pension Rd. is just to the west....very scary.
>
> Ed in New Brunswick Canada

If that's the case then it needs to be either changed to a 1/8th mile
track or shut down.


Reply from: John McCoy
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 16:41
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

DAVe <smalleyster@gmail,com > wrote in
news:d0eb0641-4529-4f36-a81d-2a3c7181228e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :

> IMHO they need a lot more slow down area at that. He slammed into a
> retaining wall at near full speed. That wall should not have been
> there at all.

They are saying today that he hit the pole that holds up the catch
net, rather than the wall. Not that it makes any real difference.

John


Reply from: DAVe
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 18:36
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

On Jun 22, 8:41 am, John McCoy <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> DAVe <smalleys...@gmail,com > wrote innews:d0eb0641-4529-4f36-a81d-2a3c7181228e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups,com :
>
> > IMHO they need a lot more slow down area at that. He slammed into a
> > retaining wall at near full speed. That wall should not have been
> > there at all.
>
> They are saying today that he hit the pole that holds up the catch
> net, rather than the wall. Not that it makes any real difference.
>
> John

After thinking about it a bit I see two issues and if the pole is true
then there are three.

1) It seemed that the parachute disintegrated from the fire. Maybe
they need to consider fireproof cutes and lines.

2) There should have been a containment system strong enough to stop a
funny car at 350 mph yet not kill the driver. Nets, hedges, series of
styro-foam and / or water walls...

3) If he hit the pole then the track and designers are completely at
fault as he traveled in nearly a straight line and there should have
been no way to hit it.


Reply from: John McCoy
Date: 22 Jun 2008, 20:06
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

DAVe <smalleyster@gmail,com > wrote in
news:7fa90d04-8a8e-4bfe-b8e5-742fec3f9e0e@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups,com :

> After thinking about it a bit I see two issues and if the pole is true
> then there are three.
>
> 1) It seemed that the parachute disintegrated from the fire. Maybe
> they need to consider fireproof cutes and lines.

Yes, it appeared the chute was deployed but failed to open. It
would seem to make sense to figure out why, and do something to
try & ensure that a deployed chute always opens.

> 2) There should have been a containment system strong enough to stop a
> funny car at 350 mph yet not kill the driver. Nets, hedges, series of
> styro-foam and / or water walls...

An interesting challenge. I don't think anything that gets impacted
(e.g. an oval track style SAFER barrier) would work - either it
would disintegrate or it would be so stiff the car disintegrated.
And sand/gravel traps don't really work at those speeds - the car
tends to just fly over them.

Maybe something like a net anchored with cables similar to the
arrestor cables on an aircraft carrier.

> 3) If he hit the pole then the track and designers are completely at
> fault as he traveled in nearly a straight line and there should have
> been no way to hit it.

It's not clear from the video I saw how straight the car was
going. I'm going to assume the designers wouldn't put the pole
right in the middle of the net, so it must have been off to the
side to some degree. I can't fault them too much for not forseeing
how far off to the side it needed to be.

Something else which needs to be considered is, Kalitta may not
have survived the engine explosion, which makes the placement of
the pole/wall somewhat moot. I'm sure the NHRA will be looking
at what can be done to prevent/contain such things (like they
did a few years back with the blankets & straps over the blower),
but I'm not sure I see a real solution there other than the one
Don Garlits adopted 40 odd years ago, which isn't really practical
in the funny cars.

John


Reply from: Mike Marlow
Date: 23 Jun 2008, 02:36
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta


"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AC57B99E8D40pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...

>
> Something else which needs to be considered is, Kalitta may not
> have survived the engine explosion, which makes the placement of
> the pole/wall somewhat moot. I'm sure the NHRA will be looking
> at what can be done to prevent/contain such things (like they
> did a few years back with the blankets & straps over the blower),
> but I'm not sure I see a real solution there other than the one
> Don Garlits adopted 40 odd years ago, which isn't really practical
> in the funny cars.
>

>From all of the stuff I looked at on the net, I suspect he in fact may never
have survived the engine exploding. That engine completely grenaded.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net



Reply from: Tom S.
Date: 23 Jun 2008, 04:36
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:36:40 CST, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:

>
>"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>news:Xns9AC57B99E8D40pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
>>
>> Something else which needs to be considered is, Kalitta may not
>> have survived the engine explosion, which makes the placement of
>> the pole/wall somewhat moot. I'm sure the NHRA will be looking
>> at what can be done to prevent/contain such things (like they
>> did a few years back with the blankets & straps over the blower),
>> but I'm not sure I see a real solution there other than the one
>> Don Garlits adopted 40 odd years ago, which isn't really practical
>> in the funny cars.
>>
>
>>From all of the stuff I looked at on the net, I suspect he in fact may never
>have survived the engine exploding. That engine completely grenaded.

I suspect he survived the engine explosion. Watching the video, it
looked to me like the chute deployment was significantly after the
explosion.

Tom S.


Reply from: Mike Marlow
Date: 23 Jun 2008, 07:36
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta


"Tom S." <tscalfjr@cox,net > wrote in message
news:agut54hcb1oh42sh5leqarkk2rfndfut21@4ax,com ...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:36:40 CST, "Mike Marlow"
> <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>
>>
>>"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>>news:Xns9AC57B99E8D40pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>>
>>>
>>> Something else which needs to be considered is, Kalitta may not
>>> have survived the engine explosion, which makes the placement of
>>> the pole/wall somewhat moot. I'm sure the NHRA will be looking
>>> at what can be done to prevent/contain such things (like they
>>> did a few years back with the blankets & straps over the blower),
>>> but I'm not sure I see a real solution there other than the one
>>> Don Garlits adopted 40 odd years ago, which isn't really practical
>>> in the funny cars.
>>>
>>
>>>From all of the stuff I looked at on the net, I suspect he in fact may
>>>never
>>have survived the engine exploding. That engine completely grenaded.
>
> I suspect he survived the engine explosion. Watching the video, it
> looked to me like the chute deployment was significantly after the
> explosion.
>

I saw that and wondered how much delay there is. It takes time for the
chute to deploy. I also thought it was possible that pulling the chute was
his last act.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net



Reply from: John McCoy
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 02:17
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

"Tom S." <tscalfjr@cox,net > wrote in
news:agut54hcb1oh42sh5leqarkk2rfndfut21@4ax,com :

> I suspect he survived the engine explosion. Watching the video, it
> looked to me like the chute deployment was significantly after the
> explosion.

According to Sim over on the other group, the chute is mounted to the
chassis in such a way that the body coming off deploys the chute
automatically. So it may be that there was enough body damage to
have triggered the chute release.

John


Reply from: >G< ©
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 04:54
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

John McCoy wrote:
> "Tom S." <tscalfjr@cox,net > wrote in
> news:agut54hcb1oh42sh5leqarkk2rfndfut21@4ax,com :
>
>> I suspect he survived the engine explosion. Watching the video, it
>> looked to me like the chute deployment was significantly after the
>> explosion.
>
> According to Sim over on the other group, the chute is mounted to the
> chassis in such a way that the body coming off deploys the chute
> automatically. So it may be that there was enough body damage to
> have triggered the chute release.
>
> John
>

didn't only one chute (partially) deploy?

--

>G< ©


Reply from: Chuck Steak
Date: 24 Jun 2008, 18:55
Re: RIP Scott Kalitta

In article John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:

>According to Sim over on the other group, the chute is mounted to the
>chassis in such a way that the body coming off deploys the chute
>automatically. So it may be that there was enough body damage to
>have triggered the chute release.
>
>John


I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think that was a modification
done to a car AFTER the wreck..... One that the crew had thought
about prior to, but had not done yet.... did it that day...
It was a wire connected to the release mechanism, and the pop-off panel.
I "think".....


Dan
****************************************
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