RPG on behalf of listpig

RPG on behalf of listpig

Back to old-style predictions....

Said will come in between 15-20 (inclusive)
Labonte (Bobby) will come in between 10-15 (inclusive)
Kahne will finish before Montoya
One Busch will wreck sufficiently to be a non-contender before the end of the race
Gibbs will have precisely two cars on the lead lap at the finish

Winner: I don't have great vibes on this....but I don't have great vibes on anyone else, either. Smoke's due, I'll call him on
this one.

--pig

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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
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> Back to old-style predictions....
>
> Said will come in between 15-20 (inclusive)
> Labonte (Bobby) will come in between 10-15 (inclusive)
> Kahne will finish before Montoya
> One Busch will wreck sufficiently to be a non-contender before the end of
> the race
> Gibbs will have precisely two cars on the lead lap at the finish
>
> Winner: I don't have great vibes on this....but I don't have great vibes
> on anyone else, either. Smoke's due, I'll call him on
> this one.
>
> --pig

Is yer newsgroup broke pig, or is Marty giving you some divine intervention?

;^)

Mike

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Posted from work, wasn't sure I'd make it home before race start.....and
then when I did, couldn't remember what I predicted. Next time (if ever)
that I have to do that, I'll remember to cc my home email address to my
predictions. :)

Meanwhile, deo gratia & Marty gratia......

--pig, who probably just personally mangled latin beyond recognition


On 7/5/08 6:37 PM, in article u-CdnYjKdt4YdPLVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@posted.yhti,
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti . net > wrote:

> Is yer newsgroup broke pig, or is Marty giving you some divine intervention?

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:36:24 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal . net > wrote in <C495697A.4279%listpig@sbcglobal . net >:

>Posted from work, wasn't sure I'd make it home before race start.....and
>then when I did, couldn't remember what I predicted. Next time (if ever)
>that I have to do that, I'll remember to cc my home email address to my
>predictions. :)

>Meanwhile, deo gratia & Marty gratia......

Deo gratia is correct.

If we're going to start talking pig-Latin, it
would be Martino gratia (dative case). :o)

>--pig, who probably just personally mangled latin beyond recognition

I did a 10-page paper on the Russian dative case
in January, 1973. I think I've still got it in
my files. I take it out every now and again and
look at it. Quite an experience!

Martinus
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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:Uo-dnUrDeaQUou3VnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@supernews . com ...
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:36:24 CST, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal . net >
> wrote in <C495697A.4279%listpig@sbcglobal . net >:
>
>>Posted from work, wasn't sure I'd make it home before race start.....and
>>then when I did, couldn't remember what I predicted. Next time (if ever)
>>that I have to do that, I'll remember to cc my home email address to my
>>predictions. :)
>
>>Meanwhile, deo gratia & Marty gratia......
>
> Deo gratia is correct.
>
> If we're going to start talking pig-Latin, it
> would be Martino gratia (dative case). :o)
>
>>--pig, who probably just personally mangled latin beyond recognition
>
> I did a 10-page paper on the Russian dative case
> in January, 1973. I think I've still got it in
> my files. I take it out every now and again and
> look at it. Quite an experience!
>
> Martinus

Hummpf... and all this time I thought a Martino gratia wuz a mixed drink....
who sez you don't learn nuffin from RASNM?

Mikeus







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A *free* mixed drink, no less!

Or is that a martini, gratis? LOL

--pig


On 7/6/08 10:44 AM, in article jNKdneHCwtbaUe3VnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@posted.yhti,
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti . net > wrote:

> all this time I thought a Martino gratia wuz a mixed drink....

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> Back to old-style predictions....
>
> Said will come in between 15-20 (inclusive)
> Labonte (Bobby) will come in between 10-15 (inclusive)
> Kahne will finish before Montoya
> One Busch will wreck sufficiently to be a non-contender before the end of the race
> Gibbs will have precisely two cars on the lead lap at the finish
>
> Winner: I don't have great vibes on this....but I don't have great vibes on anyone else, either. Smoke's due, I'll call him on
> this one.
>
> --pig
>

I'm glad you posted this Marty...I tried, and thought it went through,
but apparently, the mod-bot doesn't like something about Mac Mail...

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:28:01 CST, Cindy Murray <c1ndyluhu@tx.rr . com > wrote in <g4pai6$b9c$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

>I'm glad you posted this Marty...I tried, and thought it went through,
>but apparently, the mod-bot doesn't like something about Mac Mail...

Bummer!

You have to send stuff in plain text. Maybe Mac Mail is
using HTML?

I'm afraid that I haven't documented that fact in the
Case of the Missing Posts page. DRAT!

I'll see if I can do that tomorrow when I'm feeling a
little fresher.

Meanwhile, for those keeping score at home, you may
send a PLAIN TEXT e-mail to either of these addresses
if you're having trouble getting through via a newsreader
and your news service provider:

rec-autos-sport-nascar-moderated@moderators.isc.org

or to

rasnm@carracing . com

That pops your post straight into the moderation system,
bypassing NNTP.

I call this the "ugly workaround." I hate it. The only
thing not ugly about it is that it usually works.

Marty
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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:b5edncSn8eRB3e3VnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@supernews . com :

> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:28:01 CST, Cindy Murray <c1ndyluhu@tx.rr . com >
> wrote in <g4pai6$b9c$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>
>>I'm glad you posted this Marty...I tried, and thought it went through,
>>but apparently, the mod-bot doesn't like something about Mac Mail...
>
> Bummer!
>
> You have to send stuff in plain text. Maybe Mac Mail is
> using HTML?

Something about Megan's posts is triggering the modbot to flag
them. Your post of her message ended up with me for approval.
Maybe Cindy's attempt ended up in the moderation queue somewhere
too.

Changing the subject, your Latin is better than mine. Can you
parse "semper optima"? An ex-marine I know has taken to using
that instead of "semper fi" as his sig, and I can't quite figure
out "optima". "Always of a nobleman" doesn't sound like the
intented phrase.

John

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:26:37 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix . net com . com > wrote in <Xns9AD37ED72CBB0pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:

>> You have to send stuff in plain text. Maybe Mac Mail is
>> using HTML?

>Something about Megan's posts is triggering the modbot to flag
>them. Your post of her message ended up with me for approval.
>Maybe Cindy's attempt ended up in the moderation queue somewhere
>too.

Stuff happens. :o(

>Changing the subject, your Latin is better than mine. Can you
>parse "semper optima"? An ex-marine I know has taken to using
>that instead of "semper fi" as his sig, and I can't quite figure
>out "optima". "Always of a nobleman" doesn't sound like the
>intented phrase.

Latin epigrams are always HARD.

Let's start with the Marine slogan.

"Semper fi" is short for "semper fidelis," which means
"always faithful."

(FWIW, Fidel Castro's first name is derived from "fidelis.")

"Semper" isn't declined at all. It's an adverb meaning
"always" and it is always spelled the same way, regardless
of whether it's modifying a verb, an adjective, or adverb.

"Optima" looks like it's a form of optimus, a, um, an
adjective that means "best." In English, we have
"good, better, best"; those same three in Latin are
"bonus, melior, optimus."

Optima could be feminine singular. "Always the best
woman." Or it could be neuter plural. "Always the
best things." I'm going to place my bet on the latter,
though (grammatically, and without any other information
from context to help make a good guess) it could be
the feminine singular. IF that is a good guess, an
interpretive (rather than literal) translation might
be: "Nothing but the best."

Having exhausted my grammar and vocabulary, I've gone
to Google and found that this is the motto of the
USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23): "Semper Optima (Always the
Best)."
< * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Vessel_Mottos:_United_States>

Maybe your friend served on the Carter?

Not likely. It's a submarine. No Marines need apply (?).
Unofficial nickname: The Fighting Peanut.

Browsing 90 of the 900 Google results for "semper
optima" suggests that the the phrase has been used
since classical times to the present to mean
"always the best." I don't see any other translations
being offered. I'll go along with the crowd. :o)

Marty
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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:SZidnapQRYV_Hu_VnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@supernews . com :

> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:26:37 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix . net com . com >
> wrote in <Xns9AD37ED72CBB0pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:

>>Changing the subject, your Latin is better than mine. Can you
>>parse "semper optima"?

> "Optima" looks like it's a form of optimus, a, um, an
> adjective that means "best." In English, we have
> "good, better, best"; those same three in Latin are
> "bonus, melior, optimus."
>
> Optima could be feminine singular. "Always the best
> woman." Or it could be neuter plural. "Always the
> best things."

> Having exhausted my grammar and vocabulary, I've gone
> to Google and found that this is the motto of the
> USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23): "Semper Optima (Always the
> Best)."

Ah, thank you. The on-line dictionary had, unhelpfully, given
me optimas, -atis. And if I ever knew how to decline -as -atis,
I certainly don't now.

I'm sure he's getting it from the USS Jimmy Carter. I guess
he heard it and liked the sound.

John

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:23:07 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix . net com . com > wrote in <Xns9AD4BB4A1A15Cpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:

>> ... this is the motto of the
>> USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23): "Semper Optima (Always the
>> Best)."

>Ah, thank you. The on-line dictionary had, unhelpfully, given
>me optimas, -atis. And if I ever knew how to decline -as -atis,
>I certainly don't now.

That's here:

* humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/~lha/Latin_vocab/noun3/optimas.html

But no form of that noun turns out as "optima."

>I'm sure he's getting it from the USS Jimmy Carter. I guess
>he heard it and liked the sound.

Makes sense.

I'm sure lots of race teams could lay claim to the
motto, or something a lot like it (HMS, Roush,
JGR). ;o)

Marty
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"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in message
news:VaKdnYrPRKXYKe_VnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@supernews . com ...
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:23:07 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix . net com . com > wrote
> in <Xns9AD4BB4A1A15Cpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>>> ... this is the motto of the
>>> USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23): "Semper Optima (Always the
>>> Best)."
>
>>Ah, thank you. The on-line dictionary had, unhelpfully, given
>>me optimas, -atis. And if I ever knew how to decline -as -atis,
>>I certainly don't now.
>
> That's here:
>
> * humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/~lha/Latin_vocab/noun3/optimas.html
>
> But no form of that noun turns out as "optima."
>
>>I'm sure he's getting it from the USS Jimmy Carter. I guess
>>he heard it and liked the sound.
>
> Makes sense.
>
> I'm sure lots of race teams could lay claim to the
> motto, or something a lot like it (HMS, Roush,
> JGR). ;o)


I think it would be interesting if the teams would adopt latin mottos... for
example....

Robby Gordon- Semper Crashus

Kyle Petty - Semper Snailus

and of course Yates.... Semper Sponsorus

any other suggestions?

;^)

Mike




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"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti . net > wrote in
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> I think it would be interesting if the teams would adopt latin
> mottos... for example....
>
> Robby Gordon- Semper Crashus
>
> Kyle Petty - Semper Snailus
>
> and of course Yates.... Semper Sponsorus
>
> any other suggestions?

Your command of Latin would shame a botanist (*) :-)

How about Semper Crashius and Semper Snailibus.

And for Yates, Semper Puissant might be more appropriate.

John

(* as you no doubt know, all living things are given a two part
name, genus & species, which is of Latinate form. Botanists in
particular are famed for mangling Latin when creating such names.)

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"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix . net com . com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AD5BAA75D6C5pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
> "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti . net > wrote in
> news:mM6dnTsQX4iS3e7VnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@posted.yhti:
>
>> I think it would be interesting if the teams would adopt latin
>> mottos... for example....
>>
>> Robby Gordon- Semper Crashus
>>
>> Kyle Petty - Semper Snailus
>>
>> and of course Yates.... Semper Sponsorus
>>
>> any other suggestions?
>
> Your command of Latin would shame a botanist (*) :-)

Hell, my command of Latin shames me... ;^)

>
> How about Semper Crashius and Semper Snailibus.
>
> And for Yates, Semper Puissant might be more appropriate.
>
> John
>
> (* as you no doubt know, all living things are given a two part
> name, genus & species, which is of Latinate form. Botanists in
> particular are famed for mangling Latin when creating such names.)

Yeah, if I recall Linneaus started the whole thing at it has been downhill
from there. In fact, even his name was latinized from the original, right?
>