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Empty Seats at Daytona?
Empty Seats at Daytona?
Did I see empty seats at Daytona, during a Saturday night race?
I don't know the layout well enough to say exactly where I thought I
saw them, but it was past the line and into the area of the turn(s) -
people in the stands and large areas of empty seats. Only seen in
some camera angles, of course.
JeanneH
Did I see empty seats at Daytona, during a Saturday night race?
I don't know the layout well enough to say exactly where I thought I
saw them, but it was past the line and into the area of the turn(s) -
people in the stands and large areas of empty seats. Only seen in
some camera angles, of course.
JeanneH
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
Jeanne Hedge <jhedge@DEATHTOSPAMrcn,com > wrote in
news:3ds174pt82s3nkbmtrvjvv1anva8gid8pi@4ax,com :
> Did I see empty seats at Daytona, during a Saturday night race?
>
> I don't know the layout well enough to say exactly where I thought I
> saw them, but it was past the line and into the area of the turn(s) -
> people in the stands and large areas of empty seats. Only seen in
> some camera angles, of course.
I would assume so. They had been advertising it in Fla before the
event, which is something that didn't used to happen, so clearly
advance sales were not doing well.
I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
always thought a silly idea. It pretty much limits their potential
market to just the Daytona area, which isn't all that many people.
You can't drive up from Miami, watch the race, and go home the
same day like you could when it was a day race, you'd have to get
a hotel. Even from Jax or Tampa, you'd be getting home at 2am
or later. Add in the high cost of fuel, and the chance of rain
in Fla in the summer, and it's a pretty hard sell.
John
(ps nice to see you back, it's been a while since you've posted)
Jeanne Hedge <jhedge@DEATHTOSPAMrcn,com > wrote in
news:3ds174pt82s3nkbmtrvjvv1anva8gid8pi@4ax,com :
> Did I see empty seats at Daytona, during a Saturday night race?
>
> I don't know the layout well enough to say exactly where I thought I
> saw them, but it was past the line and into the area of the turn(s) -
> people in the stands and large areas of empty seats. Only seen in
> some camera angles, of course.
I would assume so. They had been advertising it in Fla before the
event, which is something that didn't used to happen, so clearly
advance sales were not doing well.
I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
always thought a silly idea. It pretty much limits their potential
market to just the Daytona area, which isn't all that many people.
You can't drive up from Miami, watch the race, and go home the
same day like you could when it was a day race, you'd have to get
a hotel. Even from Jax or Tampa, you'd be getting home at 2am
or later. Add in the high cost of fuel, and the chance of rain
in Fla in the summer, and it's a pretty hard sell.
John
(ps nice to see you back, it's been a while since you've posted)
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:49:04 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AD39F5BDF97Epogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
> ... I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
>always thought a silly idea. ...
I wonder whether the revenue from prime time Saturday
night TV makes up for lost ticket sales?
I was thinking to myself how much I enjoy the colors
of the cars under the lights. I think I remember the
first night-time NASCAR races and folks talking about
that being one of the benefits of night racing.
My guess is that they wouldn't do it if there wasn't
some financial benefit. That's a big investment in
lighting!
Marty
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:49:04 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AD39F5BDF97Epogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
> ... I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
>always thought a silly idea. ...
I wonder whether the revenue from prime time Saturday
night TV makes up for lost ticket sales?
I was thinking to myself how much I enjoy the colors
of the cars under the lights. I think I remember the
first night-time NASCAR races and folks talking about
that being one of the benefits of night racing.
My guess is that they wouldn't do it if there wasn't
some financial benefit. That's a big investment in
lighting!
Marty
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Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:beSdnenJUaa5Gu_VnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:49:04 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
> wrote in <Xns9AD39F5BDF97Epogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>> ... I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
>>always thought a silly idea. ...
>
> I wonder whether the revenue from prime time Saturday
> night TV makes up for lost ticket sales?
I was wondering along those lines myself.
At one time, it was said that the audience the TV's (and by extension
the advertisers) really want to reach is males 18-25 and 25-34
(because, I assume, older & wiser folks don't spend money as easily).
Yet, my observation is (having been out & not home watching the
race myself) that many in that age group, especially the unmarried,
are not prone to be home watching the TV on a Saturday night.
It's also been said that NASCAR is a family sport. But yet again,
this past race started at 8:30, which is just half an hour before
bed time for the younger kids ("but mommy, I wanna stay up and
watch the race!"). And even tho this race was about the earliest
ending night race I can recall, it was well past 11 before it
ended, which is past bedtime for most family types of any age.
So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
and especially that one, at night.
John
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:beSdnenJUaa5Gu_VnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:49:04 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
> wrote in <Xns9AD39F5BDF97Epogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>> ... I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
>>always thought a silly idea. ...
>
> I wonder whether the revenue from prime time Saturday
> night TV makes up for lost ticket sales?
I was wondering along those lines myself.
At one time, it was said that the audience the TV's (and by extension
the advertisers) really want to reach is males 18-25 and 25-34
(because, I assume, older & wiser folks don't spend money as easily).
Yet, my observation is (having been out & not home watching the
race myself) that many in that age group, especially the unmarried,
are not prone to be home watching the TV on a Saturday night.
It's also been said that NASCAR is a family sport. But yet again,
this past race started at 8:30, which is just half an hour before
bed time for the younger kids ("but mommy, I wanna stay up and
watch the race!"). And even tho this race was about the earliest
ending night race I can recall, it was well past 11 before it
ended, which is past bedtime for most family types of any age.
So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
and especially that one, at night.
John
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AD4D3191D3B2pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
> At one time, it was said that the audience the TV's (and by extension
> the advertisers) really want to reach is males 18-25 and 25-34
> (because, I assume, older & wiser folks don't spend money as easily).
> Yet, my observation is (having been out & not home watching the
> race myself) that many in that age group, especially the unmarried,
> are not prone to be home watching the TV on a Saturday night.
I suspect much has changed about the target audiences and times since that
was said, John.
>
> It's also been said that NASCAR is a family sport. But yet again,
> this past race started at 8:30, which is just half an hour before
> bed time for the younger kids ("but mommy, I wanna stay up and
> watch the race!"). And even tho this race was about the earliest
> ending night race I can recall, it was well past 11 before it
> ended, which is past bedtime for most family types of any age.
I think the NASCAR is a family sport thing referred more to 1) the family
nature of the racing contest itself (at least at its roots), and 2) the at
the track experience. I don't believe it ever had any more to do with a
family experience than NASCAR attempting to maintain its squeaky clean image
on TV.
>
> So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
> and especially that one, at night.
>
I'd guess it's nothing more than just the experience.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AD4D3191D3B2pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
> At one time, it was said that the audience the TV's (and by extension
> the advertisers) really want to reach is males 18-25 and 25-34
> (because, I assume, older & wiser folks don't spend money as easily).
> Yet, my observation is (having been out & not home watching the
> race myself) that many in that age group, especially the unmarried,
> are not prone to be home watching the TV on a Saturday night.
I suspect much has changed about the target audiences and times since that
was said, John.
>
> It's also been said that NASCAR is a family sport. But yet again,
> this past race started at 8:30, which is just half an hour before
> bed time for the younger kids ("but mommy, I wanna stay up and
> watch the race!"). And even tho this race was about the earliest
> ending night race I can recall, it was well past 11 before it
> ended, which is past bedtime for most family types of any age.
I think the NASCAR is a family sport thing referred more to 1) the family
nature of the racing contest itself (at least at its roots), and 2) the at
the track experience. I don't believe it ever had any more to do with a
family experience than NASCAR attempting to maintain its squeaky clean image
on TV.
>
> So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
> and especially that one, at night.
>
I'd guess it's nothing more than just the experience.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9AD4D3191D3B2pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
>> At one time, it was said that the audience the TV's (and by extension
>> the advertisers) really want to reach is males 18-25 and 25-34
>> (because, I assume, older & wiser folks don't spend money as easily).
>> Yet, my observation is (having been out & not home watching the
>> race myself) that many in that age group, especially the unmarried,
>> are not prone to be home watching the TV on a Saturday night.
>
> I suspect much has changed about the target audiences and times since that
> was said, John.
>
>> It's also been said that NASCAR is a family sport. But yet again,
>> this past race started at 8:30, which is just half an hour before
>> bed time for the younger kids ("but mommy, I wanna stay up and
>> watch the race!"). And even tho this race was about the earliest
>> ending night race I can recall, it was well past 11 before it
>> ended, which is past bedtime for most family types of any age.
>
> I think the NASCAR is a family sport thing referred more to 1) the family
> nature of the racing contest itself (at least at its roots), and 2) the at
> the track experience. I don't believe it ever had any more to do with a
> family experience than NASCAR attempting to maintain its squeaky clean image
> on TV.
>
>> So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
>> and especially that one, at night.
>>
>
> I'd guess it's nothing more than just the experience.
>
Guys, if you've ever suffered through a daytime race at Daytona, in
July, I think you'd appreciate the night race. If you're in the infield,
you'll quickly notice that not much of that Atlantic ocean breeze makes
it over the high banks for your enjoyment. Add the (I'm guessing here)
85%-95% humidity, it is (was) brutal....
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9AD4D3191D3B2pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
>
>> At one time, it was said that the audience the TV's (and by extension
>> the advertisers) really want to reach is males 18-25 and 25-34
>> (because, I assume, older & wiser folks don't spend money as easily).
>> Yet, my observation is (having been out & not home watching the
>> race myself) that many in that age group, especially the unmarried,
>> are not prone to be home watching the TV on a Saturday night.
>
> I suspect much has changed about the target audiences and times since that
> was said, John.
>
>> It's also been said that NASCAR is a family sport. But yet again,
>> this past race started at 8:30, which is just half an hour before
>> bed time for the younger kids ("but mommy, I wanna stay up and
>> watch the race!"). And even tho this race was about the earliest
>> ending night race I can recall, it was well past 11 before it
>> ended, which is past bedtime for most family types of any age.
>
> I think the NASCAR is a family sport thing referred more to 1) the family
> nature of the racing contest itself (at least at its roots), and 2) the at
> the track experience. I don't believe it ever had any more to do with a
> family experience than NASCAR attempting to maintain its squeaky clean image
> on TV.
>
>> So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
>> and especially that one, at night.
>>
>
> I'd guess it's nothing more than just the experience.
>
Guys, if you've ever suffered through a daytime race at Daytona, in
July, I think you'd appreciate the night race. If you're in the infield,
you'll quickly notice that not much of that Atlantic ocean breeze makes
it over the high banks for your enjoyment. Add the (I'm guessing here)
85%-95% humidity, it is (was) brutal....
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
Shanghai McCoy <MTWillett@netscape,net > wrote in
news:lYCck.27089$i55.12373@newsfe22.lga:
> Guys, if you've ever suffered through a daytime race at Daytona, in
> July, I think you'd appreciate the night race. If you're in the
> infield, you'll quickly notice that not much of that Atlantic ocean
> breeze makes it over the high banks for your enjoyment. Add the (I'm
> guessing here) 85%-95% humidity, it is (was) brutal....
Pfawgh - that's only a problem for wimpy Yankees. Natives get
acclimatized to the heat.
John
Shanghai McCoy <MTWillett@netscape,net > wrote in
news:lYCck.27089$i55.12373@newsfe22.lga:
> Guys, if you've ever suffered through a daytime race at Daytona, in
> July, I think you'd appreciate the night race. If you're in the
> infield, you'll quickly notice that not much of that Atlantic ocean
> breeze makes it over the high banks for your enjoyment. Add the (I'm
> guessing here) 85%-95% humidity, it is (was) brutal....
Pfawgh - that's only a problem for wimpy Yankees. Natives get
acclimatized to the heat.
John
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
John McCoy wrote:
> Shanghai McCoy <MTWillett@netscape,net > wrote in
> news:lYCck.27089$i55.12373@newsfe22.lga:
>
>> Guys, if you've ever suffered through a daytime race at Daytona, in
>> July, I think you'd appreciate the night race. If you're in the
>> infield, you'll quickly notice that not much of that Atlantic ocean
>> breeze makes it over the high banks for your enjoyment. Add the (I'm
>> guessing here) 85%-95% humidity, it is (was) brutal....
>
> Pfawgh - that's only a problem for wimpy Yankees. Natives get
> acclimatized to the heat.
>
> John
>
This Yankee's from Fla. Moved north of I-10 once...
John McCoy wrote:
> Shanghai McCoy <MTWillett@netscape,net > wrote in
> news:lYCck.27089$i55.12373@newsfe22.lga:
>
>> Guys, if you've ever suffered through a daytime race at Daytona, in
>> July, I think you'd appreciate the night race. If you're in the
>> infield, you'll quickly notice that not much of that Atlantic ocean
>> breeze makes it over the high banks for your enjoyment. Add the (I'm
>> guessing here) 85%-95% humidity, it is (was) brutal....
>
> Pfawgh - that's only a problem for wimpy Yankees. Natives get
> acclimatized to the heat.
>
> John
>
This Yankee's from Fla. Moved north of I-10 once...
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
In article "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>> So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
>> and especially that one, at night.
>I'd guess it's nothing more than just the experience.
Heat.
Definetly.... heat.
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
In article "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel,net > wrote:
>"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>> So I'm not really sure what the impetus is for running any race,
>> and especially that one, at night.
>I'd guess it's nothing more than just the experience.
Heat.
Definetly.... heat.
Dan
****************************************
When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
you really don't have much of a choice...
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, John McCoy <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
> always thought a silly idea.
Well, as one who has been there, I think running a day race at Daytona
under the broiling July Florida sun is pretty silly too.
Even though they started it around 10:00 AM, it was still *brutally*
hot by the time the checkers came out. The last time I went to a race
in person was July of 2001 and I don't ever anticipate going to
another one. It just costs WAY more than I think the entertainment
value is worth. However, if I were going to another July race in
Daytona and I had the choice between a day and a night race, I'd pick
the night race hands down.
For me, getting home late is preferable to burning up. Your mileage
may vary.
On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, John McCoy <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> I blame it on them chosing to run the race at night, which I've
> always thought a silly idea.
Well, as one who has been there, I think running a day race at Daytona
under the broiling July Florida sun is pretty silly too.
Even though they started it around 10:00 AM, it was still *brutally*
hot by the time the checkers came out. The last time I went to a race
in person was July of 2001 and I don't ever anticipate going to
another one. It just costs WAY more than I think the entertainment
value is worth. However, if I were going to another July race in
Daytona and I had the choice between a day and a night race, I'd pick
the night race hands down.
For me, getting home late is preferable to burning up. Your mileage
may vary.
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in the
first place."
Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana be
being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold on the
other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily in the
northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
Of course, NASCAR lives in Daytona, which kicks logic out of the thought
process......but IMO a Kentucky or Iowa race would be preferable to Florida
in July...... :)
(That of course runs up against the NASCAR "but that market is saturated
already" argument, especially coming right before Chicago and Indy. Right.
Iowa and Indianapolis are the "same market", while Richmond and Martinsville
are "vastly different markets." Pull my other leg, this one's tired. I
seriously don't get the thinking that everything from Kansas City to
Cincinnati is "one market that already gets plenty of races" while all the
VA/NC/TN/SC tracks are "separate markets that aren't overserved".)
--pig
On 7/8/08 8:53 AM, in article
85cc894e-d984-4cc9-84e0-379d8f47fd26@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ,
"bob.paxton@gmail,com " <bob.paxton@gmail,com > wrote:
> Well, as one who has been there, I think running a day race at Daytona
> under the broiling July Florida sun is pretty silly too.
The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in the
first place."
Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana be
being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold on the
other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily in the
northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
Of course, NASCAR lives in Daytona, which kicks logic out of the thought
process......but IMO a Kentucky or Iowa race would be preferable to Florida
in July...... :)
(That of course runs up against the NASCAR "but that market is saturated
already" argument, especially coming right before Chicago and Indy. Right.
Iowa and Indianapolis are the "same market", while Richmond and Martinsville
are "vastly different markets." Pull my other leg, this one's tired. I
seriously don't get the thinking that everything from Kansas City to
Cincinnati is "one market that already gets plenty of races" while all the
VA/NC/TN/SC tracks are "separate markets that aren't overserved".)
--pig
On 7/8/08 8:53 AM, in article
85cc894e-d984-4cc9-84e0-379d8f47fd26@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ,
"bob.paxton@gmail,com " <bob.paxton@gmail,com > wrote:
> Well, as one who has been there, I think running a day race at Daytona
> under the broiling July Florida sun is pretty silly too.
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
news:C498F8D5.43C7%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
> The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in
> the first place."
>
> Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana
> be being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold
> on the other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily
> in the northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
That actually was a point I made over in the other group.
Take the July 4th date from Daytona, and, since it's a high-profile
date, give it to Indy. Take Indy's mid-summer date, and give it
to some other northern clime track (Iowa would be fine by me, that's
a fair step from any other track).
Add a new date at the end of the season - if there's one thing more
precious than gold, it's a Cup date, so NASCAR should be eager to
create a new one. Give Daytona that date, to end the season. Run
it Thanksgiving weekend - that's the start of tourist season, so
you've got a potential market of folks already coming to Fla for
a vacation, guaranteed nice weather, and a big captive audience
for the TV folk.
Solves the problem all round very nicely.
John
Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
news:C498F8D5.43C7%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
> The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in
> the first place."
>
> Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana
> be being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold
> on the other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily
> in the northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
That actually was a point I made over in the other group.
Take the July 4th date from Daytona, and, since it's a high-profile
date, give it to Indy. Take Indy's mid-summer date, and give it
to some other northern clime track (Iowa would be fine by me, that's
a fair step from any other track).
Add a new date at the end of the season - if there's one thing more
precious than gold, it's a Cup date, so NASCAR should be eager to
create a new one. Give Daytona that date, to end the season. Run
it Thanksgiving weekend - that's the start of tourist season, so
you've got a potential market of folks already coming to Fla for
a vacation, guaranteed nice weather, and a big captive audience
for the TV folk.
Solves the problem all round very nicely.
John
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
John McCoy wrote:
> Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
> news:C498F8D5.43C7%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
>
>> The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in
>> the first place."
>>
>> Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana
>> be being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold
>> on the other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily
>> in the northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
>
> That actually was a point I made over in the other group.
>
> Take the July 4th date from Daytona, and, since it's a high-profile
> date, give it to Indy. Take Indy's mid-summer date, and give it
> to some other northern clime track (Iowa would be fine by me, that's
> a fair step from any other track).
>
> Add a new date at the end of the season - if there's one thing more
> precious than gold, it's a Cup date, so NASCAR should be eager to
> create a new one. Give Daytona that date, to end the season. Run
> it Thanksgiving weekend - that's the start of tourist season, so
> you've got a potential market of folks already coming to Fla for
> a vacation, guaranteed nice weather, and a big captive audience
> for the TV folk.
>
> Solves the problem all round very nicely.
>
> John
>
ha, good plan, but a plate race to decide the championship? it'll never
happen
John McCoy wrote:
> Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
> news:C498F8D5.43C7%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
>
>> The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in
>> the first place."
>>
>> Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana
>> be being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold
>> on the other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily
>> in the northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
>
> That actually was a point I made over in the other group.
>
> Take the July 4th date from Daytona, and, since it's a high-profile
> date, give it to Indy. Take Indy's mid-summer date, and give it
> to some other northern clime track (Iowa would be fine by me, that's
> a fair step from any other track).
>
> Add a new date at the end of the season - if there's one thing more
> precious than gold, it's a Cup date, so NASCAR should be eager to
> create a new one. Give Daytona that date, to end the season. Run
> it Thanksgiving weekend - that's the start of tourist season, so
> you've got a potential market of folks already coming to Fla for
> a vacation, guaranteed nice weather, and a big captive audience
> for the TV folk.
>
> Solves the problem all round very nicely.
>
> John
>
ha, good plan, but a plate race to decide the championship? it'll never
happen
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:GdGdnch73Pg9ce7VnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast,com :
> ha, good plan, but a plate race to decide the championship? it'll never
> happen
Yeah, if they were going to do it, it would make more sense to run
Daytona next-to-last, and move Homestead to the Thanksgiving weekend
for the finale. But I can't see the Frances' giving up the "special"
July 4th date without replacing it with another "special" date.
John
SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:GdGdnch73Pg9ce7VnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast,com :
> ha, good plan, but a plate race to decide the championship? it'll never
> happen
Yeah, if they were going to do it, it would make more sense to run
Daytona next-to-last, and move Homestead to the Thanksgiving weekend
for the finale. But I can't see the Frances' giving up the "special"
July 4th date without replacing it with another "special" date.
John
Re: Empty Seats at Daytona?
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:28:32 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
wrote:
>Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
>news:C498F8D5.43C7%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
>
>> The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in
>> the first place."
>>
>> Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana
>> be being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold
>> on the other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily
>> in the northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
>
>That actually was a point I made over in the other group.
>
>Take the July 4th date from Daytona, and, since it's a high-profile
>date, give it to Indy. Take Indy's mid-summer date, and give it
>to some other northern clime track (Iowa would be fine by me, that's
>a fair step from any other track).
>
>Add a new date at the end of the season - if there's one thing more
>precious than gold, it's a Cup date, so NASCAR should be eager to
>create a new one. Give Daytona that date, to end the season. Run
>it Thanksgiving weekend - that's the start of tourist season, so
>you've got a potential market of folks already coming to Fla for
>a vacation, guaranteed nice weather, and a big captive audience
>for the TV folk.
>
>Solves the problem all round very nicely.
>
One of the "problems" with the pre-modern era NASCAR, when the Grand
National Division was the tops was that there were 45 or so races a
year. I think it was pre '72. Many (most?) teams couldn't or didn't
run all the races. There was little or no time for testing or
resting.
In our modern "Cup" era, there were 32 races a year until a few years
back when there were 32 races a season, then NASCAR started to
"expand" its market and we are now up to 36 races a season. You are
talking about adding a 37th date. How long will it take to get back
to 45??
Having Daytona as the first race of the season and at the mid point
has a nice symmetry about it. Having Saturday night races makes a lot
of sense at the southern tracks. I grew up around Knoxville, TN,
spent a few Augusts in Alabama and it is no fun. You take a shower in
the morning and are sweating so bad your clothes are wet by the time
you finish getting dressed. Can you imagine being in a race car which
is 20 degrees hotter (or more) than the outside temp, with no
ventilation, a full firesuit and closed helmet??
While I can see maybe moving some of the northern dates to the summer,
I don't think you could move them all and I (personally) wouldn't
support changing the Daytona date or adding another date to the
season. I don't like Saturday night races, but it is better than the
alternatives I have heard so far.
Tom S
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:28:32 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
wrote:
>Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
>news:C498F8D5.43C7%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
>
>> The core point here might be "running in Daytona in July is crazy in
>> the first place."
>>
>> Shouldn't such venues as Daytona, Homestead, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana
>> be being reserved for the part of the season where it's seriously cold
>> on the other tracks? Shouldn't the dead of summer be run primarily
>> in the northern half of the country? Wouldn't you think?
>
>That actually was a point I made over in the other group.
>
>Take the July 4th date from Daytona, and, since it's a high-profile
>date, give it to Indy. Take Indy's mid-summer date, and give it
>to some other northern clime track (Iowa would be fine by me, that's
>a fair step from any other track).
>
>Add a new date at the end of the season - if there's one thing more
>precious than gold, it's a Cup date, so NASCAR should be eager to
>create a new one. Give Daytona that date, to end the season. Run
>it Thanksgiving weekend - that's the start of tourist season, so
>you've got a potential market of folks already coming to Fla for
>a vacation, guaranteed nice weather, and a big captive audience
>for the TV folk.
>
>Solves the problem all round very nicely.
>
One of the "problems" with the pre-modern era NASCAR, when the Grand
National Division was the tops was that there were 45 or so races a
year. I think it was pre '72. Many (most?) teams couldn't or didn't
run all the races. There was little or no time for testing or
resting.
In our modern "Cup" era, there were 32 races a year until a few years
back when there were 32 races a season, then NASCAR started to
"expand" its market and we are now up to 36 races a season. You are
talking about adding a 37th date. How long will it take to get back
to 45??
Having Daytona as the first race of the season and at the mid point
has a nice symmetry about it. Having Saturday night races makes a lot
of sense at the southern tracks. I grew up around Knoxville, TN,
spent a few Augusts in Alabama and it is no fun. You take a shower in
the morning and are sweating so bad your clothes are wet by the time
you finish getting dressed. Can you imagine being in a race car which
is 20 degrees hotter (or more) than the outside temp, with no
ventilation, a full firesuit and closed helmet??
While I can see maybe moving some of the northern dates to the summer,
I don't think you could move them all and I (personally) wouldn't
support changing the Daytona date or adding another date to the
season. I don't like Saturday night races, but it is better than the
alternatives I have heard so far.
Tom S
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