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CTS at IRP
CTS at IRP
I watched the truck race from IRP last night. Two things
really struck me about it, that should be of urgent concern
to NASCAR:
1) it started just after 8, eastern, and ended just after 10.
In other words, it started early enough that everyone, including
kids & old folks, could watch and enjoy the whole thing.
2) there was a lot of real racing - Benson and Hornaday side
by side for the lead, for lap after lap after lap (they probably
ran side by side for 50 laps out of the 200 run). Same deal
thruout the pack - guys had to work, persistantly, to make
the pass; and when they did the passee was just as likely to
start working the inside to get the place back. It's been
years since we've seen that sort of racing in Cup.
If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
John
I watched the truck race from IRP last night. Two things
really struck me about it, that should be of urgent concern
to NASCAR:
1) it started just after 8, eastern, and ended just after 10.
In other words, it started early enough that everyone, including
kids & old folks, could watch and enjoy the whole thing.
2) there was a lot of real racing - Benson and Hornaday side
by side for the lead, for lap after lap after lap (they probably
ran side by side for 50 laps out of the 200 run). Same deal
thruout the pack - guys had to work, persistantly, to make
the pass; and when they did the passee was just as likely to
start working the inside to get the place back. It's been
years since we've seen that sort of racing in Cup.
If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
John
Re: CTS at IRP
In article John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
>John
But here is the riddle.......
And keep in mind, I'm not debating who has the better races...
You know I think the cup races are for the most part too long...
NASCAR can sell 100,000 tickets to a cup show at Loudon.
They couldn't give tickets away to the Busch or Truck race....
So they were forced to combine them with the Cup races.
So to us, that look at the door to door racing, as "real racing"....
that isn't selling.
The stuff people bitch about.... sells 100,000 seats at triple money.
People will spend 500 to see a Bristol race, they sell over 150,000
tickets, every race,
but they won't spend 30 bucks to watch a truck race....
So it's tough to say that NASCAR isn't 'entertaining' the people
that go to the 'main events'....
Dan
****************************************
"I am" is considered to be the shortest sentence..
"I do" is considered to be the longest....
In article John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
>John
But here is the riddle.......
And keep in mind, I'm not debating who has the better races...
You know I think the cup races are for the most part too long...
NASCAR can sell 100,000 tickets to a cup show at Loudon.
They couldn't give tickets away to the Busch or Truck race....
So they were forced to combine them with the Cup races.
So to us, that look at the door to door racing, as "real racing"....
that isn't selling.
The stuff people bitch about.... sells 100,000 seats at triple money.
People will spend 500 to see a Bristol race, they sell over 150,000
tickets, every race,
but they won't spend 30 bucks to watch a truck race....
So it's tough to say that NASCAR isn't 'entertaining' the people
that go to the 'main events'....
Dan
****************************************
"I am" is considered to be the shortest sentence..
"I do" is considered to be the longest....
Re: CTS at IRP
Unfortunately sad but true. That's why I'd rather go to my local short
track, only have to spend maybe 20 bucks, and watch real racing than go to a
Cup event, have to spend at least 500 bucks, and have to sit through a race
with a seemingly fixed outcome.
"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak@nospam,com > wrote in message
news:22Kik.104$rb5.79@trnddc04...
> In article John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>
>>If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>>and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
>
>>John
>
>
> But here is the riddle.......
> And keep in mind, I'm not debating who has the better races...
> You know I think the cup races are for the most part too long...
>
> NASCAR can sell 100,000 tickets to a cup show at Loudon.
> They couldn't give tickets away to the Busch or Truck race....
> So they were forced to combine them with the Cup races.
>
> So to us, that look at the door to door racing, as "real racing"....
> that isn't selling.
> The stuff people bitch about.... sells 100,000 seats at triple money.
>
> People will spend 500 to see a Bristol race, they sell over 150,000
> tickets, every race,
> but they won't spend 30 bucks to watch a truck race....
>
> So it's tough to say that NASCAR isn't 'entertaining' the people
> that go to the 'main events'....
>
>
>
> Dan
> ****************************************
> "I am" is considered to be the shortest sentence..
> "I do" is considered to be the longest....
>
Unfortunately sad but true. That's why I'd rather go to my local short
track, only have to spend maybe 20 bucks, and watch real racing than go to a
Cup event, have to spend at least 500 bucks, and have to sit through a race
with a seemingly fixed outcome.
"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak@nospam,com > wrote in message
news:22Kik.104$rb5.79@trnddc04...
> In article John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>
>>If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>>and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
>
>>John
>
>
> But here is the riddle.......
> And keep in mind, I'm not debating who has the better races...
> You know I think the cup races are for the most part too long...
>
> NASCAR can sell 100,000 tickets to a cup show at Loudon.
> They couldn't give tickets away to the Busch or Truck race....
> So they were forced to combine them with the Cup races.
>
> So to us, that look at the door to door racing, as "real racing"....
> that isn't selling.
> The stuff people bitch about.... sells 100,000 seats at triple money.
>
> People will spend 500 to see a Bristol race, they sell over 150,000
> tickets, every race,
> but they won't spend 30 bucks to watch a truck race....
>
> So it's tough to say that NASCAR isn't 'entertaining' the people
> that go to the 'main events'....
>
>
>
> Dan
> ****************************************
> "I am" is considered to be the shortest sentence..
> "I do" is considered to be the longest....
>
Re: CTS at IRP
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
> I watched the truck race from IRP last night. Two things
> really struck me about it, that should be of urgent concern
> to NASCAR:
>
> 1) it started just after 8, eastern, and ended just after 10.
> In other words, it started early enough that everyone, including
> kids & old folks, could watch and enjoy the whole thing.
>
> 2) there was a lot of real racing - Benson and Hornaday side
> by side for the lead, for lap after lap after lap (they probably
> ran side by side for 50 laps out of the 200 run). Same deal
> thruout the pack - guys had to work, persistantly, to make
> the pass; and when they did the passee was just as likely to
> start working the inside to get the place back. It's been
> years since we've seen that sort of racing in Cup.
>
> If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
> they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
> and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
>
> John
>
After the debacle at Indy today, I think the simple solution to improving
the entertainment value of the Indy race would be to move it over to IRP.
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30...
> I watched the truck race from IRP last night. Two things
> really struck me about it, that should be of urgent concern
> to NASCAR:
>
> 1) it started just after 8, eastern, and ended just after 10.
> In other words, it started early enough that everyone, including
> kids & old folks, could watch and enjoy the whole thing.
>
> 2) there was a lot of real racing - Benson and Hornaday side
> by side for the lead, for lap after lap after lap (they probably
> ran side by side for 50 laps out of the 200 run). Same deal
> thruout the pack - guys had to work, persistantly, to make
> the pass; and when they did the passee was just as likely to
> start working the inside to get the place back. It's been
> years since we've seen that sort of racing in Cup.
>
> If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
> they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
> and how that can be used to improve Cup races.
>
> John
>
After the debacle at Indy today, I think the simple solution to improving
the entertainment value of the Indy race would be to move it over to IRP.
Re: CTS at IRP
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:12:16 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
> ... If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>and how that can be used to improve Cup races. ...
I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
the front splitter and the general boxiness.
I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
racing program. They are on their way to dominating
all three series, aren't they?
Marty
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:12:16 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
> ... If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>and how that can be used to improve Cup races. ...
I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
the front splitter and the general boxiness.
I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
racing program. They are on their way to dominating
all three series, aren't they?
Marty
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Re: CTS at IRP
Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:12:16 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>> ... If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>> they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>> and how that can be used to improve Cup races. ...
>
> I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
> the front splitter and the general boxiness.
>
> I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
> racing program. They are on their way to dominating
> all three series, aren't they?
>
> Marty
yeppers, 32/58 wins, 55% is impressive
Manufacturer Standings:
CUP RANK MAKE POINTS BEHIND WINS
1 Toyota 128 Leader 8
2 Chevrolet 114 -14 5
3 Ford 105 -23 3
4 Dodge 93 -35 4
NW RANK MAKE POINTS BEHIND WINS
1 Toyota 167 Leader 15
2 Chevrolet 131 -36 4
3 Ford 111 -56 3
4 Dodge 75 -92 0
TRUCK RANK MAKE POINTS BEHIND WINS
1 Toyota 96 Leader 9
2 Chevrolet 94 -2 5
3 Ford 67 -29 1
4 Dodge 51 -45 1
Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:12:16 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>> ... If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>> they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>> and how that can be used to improve Cup races. ...
>
> I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
> the front splitter and the general boxiness.
>
> I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
> racing program. They are on their way to dominating
> all three series, aren't they?
>
> Marty
yeppers, 32/58 wins, 55% is impressive
Manufacturer Standings:
CUP RANK MAKE POINTS BEHIND WINS
1 Toyota 128 Leader 8
2 Chevrolet 114 -14 5
3 Ford 105 -23 3
4 Dodge 93 -35 4
NW RANK MAKE POINTS BEHIND WINS
1 Toyota 167 Leader 15
2 Chevrolet 131 -36 4
3 Ford 111 -56 3
4 Dodge 75 -92 0
TRUCK RANK MAKE POINTS BEHIND WINS
1 Toyota 96 Leader 9
2 Chevrolet 94 -2 5
3 Ford 67 -29 1
4 Dodge 51 -45 1
Re: CTS at IRP
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:C9ydnU60YLG9WBLVnZ2dnUVZ_tvinZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:12:16 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
> wrote in <Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>> ... If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>>and how that can be used to improve Cup races. ...
>
> I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
> the front splitter and the general boxiness.
Which pretty much says those are not important features with
respect to creating entertaining racing.
> I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
> racing program. They are on their way to dominating
> all three series, aren't they?
But, take Gibbs out of the equation, and where are they? It
would seem their shrewd move was in convinving Gibbs to be
their headline team.
John
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in
news:C9ydnU60YLG9WBLVnZ2dnUVZ_tvinZ2d@supernews,com :
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:12:16 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com >
> wrote in <Xns9AE77252AE201pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>
>> ... If NASCAR is serious about being in the entertainment business,
>>they should be looking at why the CTS race was entertaining,
>>and how that can be used to improve Cup races. ...
>
> I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
> the front splitter and the general boxiness.
Which pretty much says those are not important features with
respect to creating entertaining racing.
> I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
> racing program. They are on their way to dominating
> all three series, aren't they?
But, take Gibbs out of the equation, and where are they? It
would seem their shrewd move was in convinving Gibbs to be
their headline team.
John
Re: CTS at IRP
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:25:22 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AEAE4755FCBDpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>> I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
>> the front splitter and the general boxiness.
>Which pretty much says those are not important features with
>respect to creating entertaining racing.
You may not be entirely wrong about that. :o)
>> I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
>> racing program. They are on their way to dominating
>> all three series, aren't they?
>But, take Gibbs out of the equation, and where are they? It
>would seem their shrewd move was in convinving Gibbs to be
>their headline team.
One of their shrewd moves.
I predicted three wins for them in Cup last year. I was
wrong. They're doing quite well this year. Pretty
darned impressive (and, yes, with all due credit to
Gibbs and KyBu).
Marty
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:25:22 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote in <Xns9AEAE4755FCBDpogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
>> I think some features of the COT came from CTS--notably
>> the front splitter and the general boxiness.
>Which pretty much says those are not important features with
>respect to creating entertaining racing.
You may not be entirely wrong about that. :o)
>> I think Toyota was very shrewd to start their NASCAR
>> racing program. They are on their way to dominating
>> all three series, aren't they?
>But, take Gibbs out of the equation, and where are they? It
>would seem their shrewd move was in convinving Gibbs to be
>their headline team.
One of their shrewd moves.
I predicted three wins for them in Cup last year. I was
wrong. They're doing quite well this year. Pretty
darned impressive (and, yes, with all due credit to
Gibbs and KyBu).
Marty
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