Haas-CNC Cars Confiscated

Re: Haas-CNC Cars Confiscated-PENALTIES

Chuck Steak wrote:
> In article , bob.paxton@gmail,com wrote:
>
>> On May 29, 11:41 am, chuck st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
>
>>> NASCAR "can" confiscate any
>>> car.. part or fuel.. that fails inspection.
>>> Without any obligation for reimbursement.
>
>> I can see taking an illegal part. I just can't see taking the whole
>> car permanently. By doing that, they're taking a bunch of legal parts
>> along with the illegal ones and that just seems to me like a flagrant
>> violation of basic property rights.
>
> Well, that may be true if someone tried to take your car
> from your garage...
> But you are at a race, and you are aware of the rules
> of the organization that you joined, and.
> you agreed to abide by them when you paid to race.....
>
>
> Dan
> ****************************************
> When people say, 'can I ask you a question?',
> you really don't have much of a choice...
>

Sounds like the DEA to me... :-)

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>G< ©

Re: Haas-CNC Cars Confiscated-PENALTIES

bob.paxton@gmail,com wrote in news:def67e20-ded8-431c-9c58-856ce95a3920
@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups,com :

> On May 29, 11:41 am, chuck_st...@nospam,com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
>
>>
>> NASCAR "can" confiscate any
>> car.. part or fuel.. that fails inspection.
>> Without any obligation for reimbursement.
>
> I can see taking an illegal part. I just can't see taking the whole
> car permanently. By doing that, they're taking a bunch of legal parts
> along with the illegal ones and that just seems to me like a flagrant
> violation of basic property rights.

It's my understanding that the new rules for the CoT, along with
requiring NASCAR to inspect and pre-approve every chassis,
explicitly provide for NASCAR confiscating any car/chassis which
is later found to be in violation.

John

Re: Haas-CNC Cars Confiscated-PENALTIES

On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:49:30 CST, "RetiredFF" <lbatter@bogfeet,net >
wrote:

>"Tom S." <tscalfjr@cox,net > wrote in message
>news:ke8h34htn2ha98fuu777gs8hkrjrrs8mcv@4ax,com ...
>> While preparing my RPG picks, I came across an article on NASCAR,com .
>> It stated that the Haas-CNC #66 and #70 were both confiscated and
>> hauled to the R&D Center. NASCAR apparently had "an issue with the
>> upper rear wing mounting points of the 66 and 70 cars." They had
>> apparently been altered.
>
>Penalties have been handed down:
>
>Both drivers- 150 points
>Both owners- 150 points
>Both crew chiefs- six race suspension/probation until 12/31/$100,000 fine
>Both car chiefs- six race suspension/probation until 12/31
>Both teams- NASCAR now owns the cars
>

Checking my hometown newspaper (The Knoxville News Sentinel) it says

"When NASCAR checked on the two Chevrolets, officials determined the
brackets on the rear wings had been tampered with in an attempt to
move the wing and create an aerodynamic advantage."

Science I have a slight engineer bent, I am wondering just how they
altered the mounts - elongating the bolt hole comes to mind - and I am
wondering if anyone knows of a webpage where they would explain this
more completely.

Tom S.

Re: Haas-CNC Cars Confiscated-PENALTIES

"Tom S." <tscalfjr@cox,net > wrote in
news:db0u34ll1jvgflq52b5u1r1794j1c6o59q@4ax,com :

> "When NASCAR checked on the two Chevrolets, officials determined the
> brackets on the rear wings had been tampered with in an attempt to
> move the wing and create an aerodynamic advantage."
>
> Science I have a slight engineer bent, I am wondering just how they
> altered the mounts - elongating the bolt hole comes to mind - and I am
> wondering if anyone knows of a webpage where they would explain this
> more completely.

I gather that the braces on the trunk lid were welded in such a
way as to flex the lid, which moved the wing mounts. Sort of like
when Chad Knaus had the jack bolts bearing on the rear window to
flex it & reduce drag at Daytona a couple of years back.

John