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TNT vs Fox
Re: TNT vs Fox
On Jun 11, 9:16 pm, John McCoy <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <mole...@canisius.edu> wrote innews:4LydnaR4xprAxNLVnZ2dnUVZ gOdnZ2d@supernews,com :
>
> > I've heard different reasons for the perception that
> > the commercials are louder.
>
> > Here's one set of speculations:
>
> > http :// www .msnbc.msn,com /id/17229281/
>
> Not speculation, that's exactly the reason. There's no mystery
> there.
>
> John
The date, you will notice, was 2/07. I saw the article then; I see
nothing has changed now.
In the case of Sunday's race, it was definitely the NBC/TNT feeds that
were off. Definitely.
N.
On Jun 11, 9:16 pm, John McCoy <igop...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <mole...@canisius.edu> wrote innews:4LydnaR4xprAxNLVnZ2dnUVZ gOdnZ2d@supernews,com :
>
> > I've heard different reasons for the perception that
> > the commercials are louder.
>
> > Here's one set of speculations:
>
> > http :// www .msnbc.msn,com /id/17229281/
>
> Not speculation, that's exactly the reason. There's no mystery
> there.
>
> John
The date, you will notice, was 2/07. I saw the article then; I see
nothing has changed now.
In the case of Sunday's race, it was definitely the NBC/TNT feeds that
were off. Definitely.
N.
Re: TNT vs Fox
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
news:65OdnQI64ZScH9HVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.yhti...
> After the race at Pocono, I was reminded why I like the Fox coverage
> sooooo much better than TNT. The camera angles and the commentators are
> so much better on Fox. And, I agree with pig.... I miss boogity, boogity,
> boogity.
>
> I sure hope ABC is better than TNT.
>
>
A sign of the apolcolypse. That anyone missed the stupid boogyman,
boogyman, boodyman....
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in message
news:65OdnQI64ZScH9HVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.yhti...
> After the race at Pocono, I was reminded why I like the Fox coverage
> sooooo much better than TNT. The camera angles and the commentators are
> so much better on Fox. And, I agree with pig.... I miss boogity, boogity,
> boogity.
>
> I sure hope ABC is better than TNT.
>
>
A sign of the apolcolypse. That anyone missed the stupid boogyman,
boogyman, boodyman....
Re: TNT vs Fox
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in
news:65OdnQI64ZScH9HVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.yhti:
> After the race at Pocono, I was reminded why I like the Fox coverage
> sooooo much better than TNT. The camera angles and the commentators
> are so much better on Fox. And, I agree with pig.... I miss boogity,
> boogity, boogity.
I didn't think it was that bad.
On the negative side, they had some audio problems, and the handoffs
between the pit reporters couldn't have been more disorganized.
Some of the cuts to commercial were weird, and for that matter
several times the annoucers were taken by surprise when they came
back from commercial.
On the positive side, the camera work and selection was quite good,
catching most of the action, and sticking with something interesting
rather than a close shot of the leader all by himself. The race
end, with a long shot of the front stretch until all the cars had
passed the line, was a classic example of the _right_ way to do it.
I think part of the reason for this was TNT had fewer cameras, so
the director had fewer choices to get it wrong. But the director
also seemed to have a feel for the race. Fox's camera work sucks,
I can't see how anyone could prefer it - they use far too many
close shots, and they switch shots so frenetically it's impossible
to get the context for anything.
Also on the positive side, the announcers were good (modulo the
audio issues). Webber managed to avoid the interminable pre-scripted
monolouges from previous years, Kyle is excellent as color and
Dallenbach works well with him, and Larry Mac is far and away the
best tech guy compared to Hammond or Brewer. I do not miss DW
playing the fool at all (indeed, I'd be happy to never hear DW
again).
I didn't see the snippet of baseball Megan mentioned - either
that was a local cable provider goof, or it happened while I
was out of the room.
John
"Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti,net > wrote in
news:65OdnQI64ZScH9HVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.yhti:
> After the race at Pocono, I was reminded why I like the Fox coverage
> sooooo much better than TNT. The camera angles and the commentators
> are so much better on Fox. And, I agree with pig.... I miss boogity,
> boogity, boogity.
I didn't think it was that bad.
On the negative side, they had some audio problems, and the handoffs
between the pit reporters couldn't have been more disorganized.
Some of the cuts to commercial were weird, and for that matter
several times the annoucers were taken by surprise when they came
back from commercial.
On the positive side, the camera work and selection was quite good,
catching most of the action, and sticking with something interesting
rather than a close shot of the leader all by himself. The race
end, with a long shot of the front stretch until all the cars had
passed the line, was a classic example of the _right_ way to do it.
I think part of the reason for this was TNT had fewer cameras, so
the director had fewer choices to get it wrong. But the director
also seemed to have a feel for the race. Fox's camera work sucks,
I can't see how anyone could prefer it - they use far too many
close shots, and they switch shots so frenetically it's impossible
to get the context for anything.
Also on the positive side, the announcers were good (modulo the
audio issues). Webber managed to avoid the interminable pre-scripted
monolouges from previous years, Kyle is excellent as color and
Dallenbach works well with him, and Larry Mac is far and away the
best tech guy compared to Hammond or Brewer. I do not miss DW
playing the fool at all (indeed, I'd be happy to never hear DW
again).
I didn't see the snippet of baseball Megan mentioned - either
that was a local cable provider goof, or it happened while I
was out of the room.
John
Re: TNT vs Fox
It was when they had the audio outage, which I assume wasn't DishTV because
Weber apologized for it.
They came back from a commercial with good video and dead silence for what
seemed like forever (probably no more than 2-3 minutes), then phased in
about five seconds of baseball game sound, then back to silence (another 1-2
minutes?) then cut back to commercial while they worked on it.
When they came back they came back with the tinny in-a-tunnel quality sound
that tells you they're still having problems and this is a workaround of
some sort (it was almost like they had Weber calling in the commentary over
the telephone). That was when they apologized for the audio difficulties.
On a remote broadcast, I understand the occasional incident where the sound
goes down entirely. What struck me as amateur was the cutting in of the
baseball feed. Dunno where that came from.....was TBS broadcasting baseball
at the same time TNT was doing the race?
--pig
On 6/9/08 20:52, in article Xns9AB8CA6BEFF75pogosupernews@216.168.3.30,
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> I didn't see the snippet of baseball Megan mentioned - either
> that was a local cable provider goof, or it happened while I
> was out of the room.
It was when they had the audio outage, which I assume wasn't DishTV because
Weber apologized for it.
They came back from a commercial with good video and dead silence for what
seemed like forever (probably no more than 2-3 minutes), then phased in
about five seconds of baseball game sound, then back to silence (another 1-2
minutes?) then cut back to commercial while they worked on it.
When they came back they came back with the tinny in-a-tunnel quality sound
that tells you they're still having problems and this is a workaround of
some sort (it was almost like they had Weber calling in the commentary over
the telephone). That was when they apologized for the audio difficulties.
On a remote broadcast, I understand the occasional incident where the sound
goes down entirely. What struck me as amateur was the cutting in of the
baseball feed. Dunno where that came from.....was TBS broadcasting baseball
at the same time TNT was doing the race?
--pig
On 6/9/08 20:52, in article Xns9AB8CA6BEFF75pogosupernews@216.168.3.30,
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> I didn't see the snippet of baseball Megan mentioned - either
> that was a local cable provider goof, or it happened while I
> was out of the room.
Re: TNT vs Fox
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:23:53 CST, Megan Zurawicz
<listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
>It was when they had the audio outage, which I assume wasn't DishTV because
>Weber apologized for it.
>
(snip)
>When they came back they came back with the tinny in-a-tunnel quality sound
>that tells you they're still having problems and this is a workaround of
>some sort (it was almost like they had Weber calling in the commentary over
>the telephone). That was when they apologized for the audio difficulties.
Phone lines used to be the "backup" audio source for lots of live
stuff (I worked at a SF Giants radio affiliate, and if we lost the
satellite feed, we had a phone number to call. If there was audio
there, we'd pot up the phone line until the satellite signal came
back).
Don't know if it still works that way, or if TV does it differently,
but that's the way it was done in radio-land at least until a decade
or so ago.
take care,
Scott
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:23:53 CST, Megan Zurawicz
<listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
>It was when they had the audio outage, which I assume wasn't DishTV because
>Weber apologized for it.
>
(snip)
>When they came back they came back with the tinny in-a-tunnel quality sound
>that tells you they're still having problems and this is a workaround of
>some sort (it was almost like they had Weber calling in the commentary over
>the telephone). That was when they apologized for the audio difficulties.
Phone lines used to be the "backup" audio source for lots of live
stuff (I worked at a SF Giants radio affiliate, and if we lost the
satellite feed, we had a phone number to call. If there was audio
there, we'd pot up the phone line until the satellite signal came
back).
Don't know if it still works that way, or if TV does it differently,
but that's the way it was done in radio-land at least until a decade
or so ago.
take care,
Scott
Re: TNT vs Fox
Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
news:C4734FCF.60E1D%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
> They came back from a commercial with good video and dead silence for
> what seemed like forever (probably no more than 2-3 minutes), then
> phased in about five seconds of baseball game sound, then back to
> silence (another 1-2 minutes?) then cut back to commercial while they
> worked on it.
Musta been when I was out of the room, then. There was a couple
of occasions when I left & came back and they were still in
commercial, which surprised me. Now I'm thinking the probably
came back from commercial & then started another set before I
got back.
John
Megan Zurawicz <listpig@sbcglobal,net > wrote in
news:C4734FCF.60E1D%listpig@sbcglobal,net :
> They came back from a commercial with good video and dead silence for
> what seemed like forever (probably no more than 2-3 minutes), then
> phased in about five seconds of baseball game sound, then back to
> silence (another 1-2 minutes?) then cut back to commercial while they
> worked on it.
Musta been when I was out of the room, then. There was a couple
of occasions when I left & came back and they were still in
commercial, which surprised me. Now I'm thinking the probably
came back from commercial & then started another set before I
got back.
John
Re: TNT vs Fox
> Also on the positive side, the announcers were good (modulo the
> audio issues). Webber managed to avoid the interminable pre-scripted
> monolouges from previous years, Kyle is excellent as
I think Weber has taken to heart, the comments from viewers. The only
thing I cringed at, really, was "we looked it up so you don't have
to." Other than that, he was pretty much a minor player in the booth.
N.
> Also on the positive side, the announcers were good (modulo the
> audio issues). Webber managed to avoid the interminable pre-scripted
> monolouges from previous years, Kyle is excellent as
I think Weber has taken to heart, the comments from viewers. The only
thing I cringed at, really, was "we looked it up so you don't have
to." Other than that, he was pretty much a minor player in the booth.
N.
Re: TNT vs Fox
Nancy2 <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in news:83ab5ae0-6b2b-4347-8b09-
77a29b093ec4@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups,com :
>
>> Also on the positive side, the announcers were good (modulo the
>> audio issues). Webber managed to avoid the interminable pre-scripted
>> monolouges from previous years, Kyle is excellent as
>
> I think Weber has taken to heart, the comments from viewers. The only
> thing I cringed at, really, was "we looked it up so you don't have
> to." Other than that, he was pretty much a minor player in the booth.
Whatever the reason, he was doing the right things. I didn't find
his commentary intrusive (which wasn't the case in past seasons,
especially at the end of races). All in all, I think TNT has a
very strong broadcast crew right now - Weber doing a decent job
with the play-by-play, Petty & Dallenbach working well together
to give the driver perspective (and Petty being senior enough to
call BS when he sees it), and Larry Mac providing technical
background and the crew-chief perspective works much better than
Larry Mac in the booth.
John
Nancy2 <nancy-dooley@uiowa.edu> wrote in news:83ab5ae0-6b2b-4347-8b09-
77a29b093ec4@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups,com :
>
>> Also on the positive side, the announcers were good (modulo the
>> audio issues). Webber managed to avoid the interminable pre-scripted
>> monolouges from previous years, Kyle is excellent as
>
> I think Weber has taken to heart, the comments from viewers. The only
> thing I cringed at, really, was "we looked it up so you don't have
> to." Other than that, he was pretty much a minor player in the booth.
Whatever the reason, he was doing the right things. I didn't find
his commentary intrusive (which wasn't the case in past seasons,
especially at the end of races). All in all, I think TNT has a
very strong broadcast crew right now - Weber doing a decent job
with the play-by-play, Petty & Dallenbach working well together
to give the driver perspective (and Petty being senior enough to
call BS when he sees it), and Larry Mac providing technical
background and the crew-chief perspective works much better than
Larry Mac in the booth.
John
