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OT: What book are you currently reading?
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
blake murphy wrote:
>
> >
> >His novella "Shop Girl" was pretty good. The most enjoyable movie celebrity
> >autobiographies I have read were David Niven's The Moon is a Balloon ad Bring on the
> >Empty Horses. Then there was the book about Peter Sellars written by his son. Wow.
> >There is a bitter man. Sellers used to be one of my favourite comic actors but now I
> >can't watch a Pink Panther movie without thinking what a jerk the guy was.
> >
>
> trust the art, not the artist.
And it is art. I love those Pink Panther movies. As much as I enjoy them, even after
already seeing them dozens of times, it is hard not to think about him in the light cast
by his own son's damning biography.
blake murphy wrote:
>
> >
> >His novella "Shop Girl" was pretty good. The most enjoyable movie celebrity
> >autobiographies I have read were David Niven's The Moon is a Balloon ad Bring on the
> >Empty Horses. Then there was the book about Peter Sellars written by his son. Wow.
> >There is a bitter man. Sellers used to be one of my favourite comic actors but now I
> >can't watch a Pink Panther movie without thinking what a jerk the guy was.
> >
>
> trust the art, not the artist.
And it is art. I love those Pink Panther movies. As much as I enjoy them, even after
already seeing them dozens of times, it is hard not to think about him in the light cast
by his own son's damning biography.
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
In article <4829C360.89A988CB@sympatico.ca>,
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >His novella "Shop Girl" was pretty good. The most enjoyable movie
> > >celebrity
> > >autobiographies I have read were David Niven's The Moon is a Balloon ad
> > >Bring on the
> > >Empty Horses. Then there was the book about Peter Sellars written by his
> > >son. Wow.
> > >There is a bitter man. Sellers used to be one of my favourite comic actors
> > >but now I
> > >can't watch a Pink Panther movie without thinking what a jerk the guy was.
> > >
> >
> > trust the art, not the artist.
>
> And it is art. I love those Pink Panther movies. As much as I enjoy them,
> even after
> already seeing them dozens of times, it is hard not to think about him in the
> light cast
> by his own son's damning biography.
If you want to keep seeing your idols as idols, don't read their
biographies.
Miche
--
Electricians do it in three phases
In article <4829C360.89A988CB@sympatico.ca>,
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >His novella "Shop Girl" was pretty good. The most enjoyable movie
> > >celebrity
> > >autobiographies I have read were David Niven's The Moon is a Balloon ad
> > >Bring on the
> > >Empty Horses. Then there was the book about Peter Sellars written by his
> > >son. Wow.
> > >There is a bitter man. Sellers used to be one of my favourite comic actors
> > >but now I
> > >can't watch a Pink Panther movie without thinking what a jerk the guy was.
> > >
> >
> > trust the art, not the artist.
>
> And it is art. I love those Pink Panther movies. As much as I enjoy them,
> even after
> already seeing them dozens of times, it is hard not to think about him in the
> light cast
> by his own son's damning biography.
If you want to keep seeing your idols as idols, don't read their
biographies.
Miche
--
Electricians do it in three phases
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
Dave Smith wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>>
>> > I have given up on humorous books, unless they are very short. There are only
>> > so many jokes that you can take in a sitting. Leslie Nielson's autobiography
>> > was extremely funny, but more comedy than autobiography.
>>
>> I don't know how good Steve Martin's new biography is (or its mix of
>> comedy and biography), but I read an article in Esquire that I think was
>> excerpted from it, and it was an interesting - and naturally anecdote-rich
>> - look at how his comedy style developed.
>
> His novella "Shop Girl" was pretty good. The most enjoyable movie celebrity
> autobiographies I have read were David Niven's The Moon is a Balloon ad Bring on the
> Empty Horses. Then there was the book about Peter Sellars written by his son. Wow.
> There is a bitter man. Sellers used to be one of my favourite comic actors but now I
> can't watch a Pink Panther movie without thinking what a jerk the guy was.
>
>>
>> Also Hollywood-related (something I rarely read, despite being involved
>> with it), I've heard good about Charles Grodin's "It Would Be So Nice If
>> You Weren't Here: My Journey Through Show Business". I borrowed it from a
>> friend last week; last night I finished "A Farewell To Arms", so I'll
>> start this one tonight.
>
> I don't usually rear novels any more, but I really enjoy Hemmingway's work. I have
> read most of them. and will probably re-read them some time.
I can't remember what the last novel I read was, before "A Farewell To
Arms". I used to read fiction all the time, but haven't in years.
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Dave Smith wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>>
>> > I have given up on humorous books, unless they are very short. There are only
>> > so many jokes that you can take in a sitting. Leslie Nielson's autobiography
>> > was extremely funny, but more comedy than autobiography.
>>
>> I don't know how good Steve Martin's new biography is (or its mix of
>> comedy and biography), but I read an article in Esquire that I think was
>> excerpted from it, and it was an interesting - and naturally anecdote-rich
>> - look at how his comedy style developed.
>
> His novella "Shop Girl" was pretty good. The most enjoyable movie celebrity
> autobiographies I have read were David Niven's The Moon is a Balloon ad Bring on the
> Empty Horses. Then there was the book about Peter Sellars written by his son. Wow.
> There is a bitter man. Sellers used to be one of my favourite comic actors but now I
> can't watch a Pink Panther movie without thinking what a jerk the guy was.
>
>>
>> Also Hollywood-related (something I rarely read, despite being involved
>> with it), I've heard good about Charles Grodin's "It Would Be So Nice If
>> You Weren't Here: My Journey Through Show Business". I borrowed it from a
>> friend last week; last night I finished "A Farewell To Arms", so I'll
>> start this one tonight.
>
> I don't usually rear novels any more, but I really enjoy Hemmingway's work. I have
> read most of them. and will probably re-read them some time.
I can't remember what the last novel I read was, before "A Farewell To
Arms". I used to read fiction all the time, but haven't in years.
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Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:00:16 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Anthony Ferrante wrote:
>
>> I imagine there are a lot of readers here. Which book are you
>> currently reading and what are your thoughts on it?
>>
>> I just finished "Evil Brothers, A True Crime Story" which was hard to
>> read. The story revolved around two brothers who killed 9 people and
>> was suspected in three other murders. All of this happened in Toledo,
>> Ohio over a two year period.
>>
>> And you?
>
>I am currently reading an interesting book about the German resistance to
>the Nazis. I usually read non fiction. Novels just don't do it for me
>anymore.
>
What is the name of the book you are reading? Sounds interesting and
certainly will offer a much different perspective re the many German
people who did not support Hitler. If only Claus von Stauffenberg had
placed the "briefcase" on the other side of the table leg, although
some believe an officer moved it prior to the blast. I guess we'll
never know for sure.
Anthony
On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:00:16 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Anthony Ferrante wrote:
>
>> I imagine there are a lot of readers here. Which book are you
>> currently reading and what are your thoughts on it?
>>
>> I just finished "Evil Brothers, A True Crime Story" which was hard to
>> read. The story revolved around two brothers who killed 9 people and
>> was suspected in three other murders. All of this happened in Toledo,
>> Ohio over a two year period.
>>
>> And you?
>
>I am currently reading an interesting book about the German resistance to
>the Nazis. I usually read non fiction. Novels just don't do it for me
>anymore.
>
What is the name of the book you are reading? Sounds interesting and
certainly will offer a much different perspective re the many German
people who did not support Hitler. If only Claus von Stauffenberg had
placed the "briefcase" on the other side of the table leg, although
some believe an officer moved it prior to the blast. I guess we'll
never know for sure.
Anthony
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
Anthony Ferrante wrote:
> >
> >I am currently reading an interesting book about the German resistance to
> >the Nazis. I usually read non fiction. Novels just don't do it for me
> >anymore.
> >
> What is the name of the book you are reading? Sounds interesting and
> certainly will offer a much different perspective re the many German
> people who did not support Hitler. If only Claus von Stauffenberg had
> placed the "briefcase" on the other side of the table leg, although
> some believe an officer moved it prior to the blast. I guess we'll
> never know for sure.
It is called "An Honourable Defeat: A History of the German Resistance to
Hitler" by Anton Gil.
I am finding it factual interesting, but dry reading.
Anthony Ferrante wrote:
> >
> >I am currently reading an interesting book about the German resistance to
> >the Nazis. I usually read non fiction. Novels just don't do it for me
> >anymore.
> >
> What is the name of the book you are reading? Sounds interesting and
> certainly will offer a much different perspective re the many German
> people who did not support Hitler. If only Claus von Stauffenberg had
> placed the "briefcase" on the other side of the table leg, although
> some believe an officer moved it prior to the blast. I guess we'll
> never know for sure.
It is called "An Honourable Defeat: A History of the German Resistance to
Hitler" by Anton Gil.
I am finding it factual interesting, but dry reading.
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
>
>It is called "An Honourable Defeat: A History of the German Resistance to
>Hitler" by Anton Gil.
>I am finding it factual interesting, but dry reading.
>
Thanks.
Anthony
>
>It is called "An Honourable Defeat: A History of the German Resistance to
>Hitler" by Anton Gil.
>I am finding it factual interesting, but dry reading.
>
Thanks.
Anthony
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
> I imagine there are a lot of readers here. Which book are you
> currently reading and what are your thoughts on it?
>
> I just finished "Evil Brothers, A True Crime Story" which was hard to
> read. The story revolved around two brothers who killed 9 people and
> was suspected in three other murders. All of this happened in Toledo,
> Ohio over a two year period.
>
> And you?
>
> Anthony
My current bedtime book is "Hungry Planet". The vignettes in it are
short enough so I can read 1 or 2 prior to zonking out.
Recent bus-commuting books:
"My Wilderness", by William O. Douglas (former Supreme Court Justice
from WA). Even though it was written nearly 50 years ago, the issues he
spoke about still resonate today.
"How to Read a French Fry". This was a re-read.
"Fork it Over", by Alan Richman. The descriptions of Florida deli and
early-bird specials are spot-on, despite the demise of Wolfie's and the
Rascal House.
Cindy
--
C.J. Fuller
Delete the obvious to email me
In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
> I imagine there are a lot of readers here. Which book are you
> currently reading and what are your thoughts on it?
>
> I just finished "Evil Brothers, A True Crime Story" which was hard to
> read. The story revolved around two brothers who killed 9 people and
> was suspected in three other murders. All of this happened in Toledo,
> Ohio over a two year period.
>
> And you?
>
> Anthony
My current bedtime book is "Hungry Planet". The vignettes in it are
short enough so I can read 1 or 2 prior to zonking out.
Recent bus-commuting books:
"My Wilderness", by William O. Douglas (former Supreme Court Justice
from WA). Even though it was written nearly 50 years ago, the issues he
spoke about still resonate today.
"How to Read a French Fry". This was a re-read.
"Fork it Over", by Alan Richman. The descriptions of Florida deli and
early-bird specials are spot-on, despite the demise of Wolfie's and the
Rascal House.
Cindy
--
C.J. Fuller
Delete the obvious to email me
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com :
> I imagine there are a lot of readers here. Which book are you
> currently reading and what are your thoughts on it?
The book I carry with me and read when I find time is Le roman
d'Ysengrin, a 12th century satirical mock epic written, some believe, by
Nivardus. It is a beast fable, a type of creation popular in medieval
Europe, in which the clergy and the nobility (embodied at various times
in the person of the wolf, Ysengrin) are shown in their most unflattering
light, whereas Renart the fox (in French, le goupil), the peasant-hero,
manages by wiles and subterfuge to gain the upper hand.
It is a modern translation that attempts to recover the tongue-in-cheek
aspect of the various discourses, without attempting to reproduce the
verse forms, whether it is Ysengrin trying to justify eating Renart as he
is owed the food that Renart has eaten, or the fox arguing the opposite.
I was brought up on Le roman de Renart and the inhabitants of Malpertuis
as a child, as some of the stories in it are appropriate (somewhat) for
children. The Ysengrin is thought to be older, by a generation, and a
wittier text. It certainly is darker and less forgiving than its
successor. That would explain the popularity of the Renart.
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ysengrimus
Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote in
news:m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com :
> I imagine there are a lot of readers here. Which book are you
> currently reading and what are your thoughts on it?
The book I carry with me and read when I find time is Le roman
d'Ysengrin, a 12th century satirical mock epic written, some believe, by
Nivardus. It is a beast fable, a type of creation popular in medieval
Europe, in which the clergy and the nobility (embodied at various times
in the person of the wolf, Ysengrin) are shown in their most unflattering
light, whereas Renart the fox (in French, le goupil), the peasant-hero,
manages by wiles and subterfuge to gain the upper hand.
It is a modern translation that attempts to recover the tongue-in-cheek
aspect of the various discourses, without attempting to reproduce the
verse forms, whether it is Ysengrin trying to justify eating Renart as he
is owed the food that Renart has eaten, or the fox arguing the opposite.
I was brought up on Le roman de Renart and the inhabitants of Malpertuis
as a child, as some of the stories in it are appropriate (somewhat) for
children. The Ysengrin is thought to be older, by a generation, and a
wittier text. It certainly is darker and less forgiving than its
successor. That would explain the popularity of the Renart.
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ysengrimus
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
> And you?
>
> Anthony
To report about here?
A couple recipe books (because this is a cooking group).
Some Saveur magazines (because this is a cooking group).
A free copy of some Country Something-or-Other put out by Christopher
Kimball's operation (because this is a cooking group).
--
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In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
> And you?
>
> Anthony
To report about here?
A couple recipe books (because this is a cooking group).
Some Saveur magazines (because this is a cooking group).
A free copy of some Country Something-or-Other put out by Christopher
Kimball's operation (because this is a cooking group).
--
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Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
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> In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
> Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>> And you?
>>
>> Anthony
>
> To report about here?
> A couple recipe books (because this is a cooking group).
> Some Saveur magazines (because this is a cooking group).
> A free copy of some Country Something-or-Other put out by Christopher
> Kimball's operation (because this is a cooking group).
Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
Michael
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> In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
> Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>> And you?
>>
>> Anthony
>
> To report about here?
> A couple recipe books (because this is a cooking group).
> Some Saveur magazines (because this is a cooking group).
> A free copy of some Country Something-or-Other put out by Christopher
> Kimball's operation (because this is a cooking group).
Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
Michael
--
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-Edward H. Ruloff
To email - michael at lonergan dot us dot com
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
On Mon 12 May 2008 05:00:53a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
> Melba's Jammin' <barbschaller@earthlink,net > dropped this
> news:barbschaller-46A231.19300711052008@news.iphouse,com : in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
>> Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
>>> And you?
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>
>> To report about here?
>> A couple recipe books (because this is a cooking group).
>> Some Saveur magazines (because this is a cooking group).
>> A free copy of some Country Something-or-Other put out by Christopher
>> Kimball's operation (because this is a cooking group).
>
> Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
>
> Michael
Yes, of course, Anthony knows. And it *is* labeled "OT".
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On Mon 12 May 2008 05:00:53a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
> Melba's Jammin' <barbschaller@earthlink,net > dropped this
> news:barbschaller-46A231.19300711052008@news.iphouse,com : in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> In article <m0nc2415orjtbpimnj1t3r5h6hmk2f2etj@4ax,com >,
>> Anthony Ferrante <ferrante276-ngspam@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
>>> And you?
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>
>> To report about here?
>> A couple recipe books (because this is a cooking group).
>> Some Saveur magazines (because this is a cooking group).
>> A free copy of some Country Something-or-Other put out by Christopher
>> Kimball's operation (because this is a cooking group).
>
> Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
>
> Michael
Yes, of course, Anthony knows. And it *is* labeled "OT".
--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Monday, 05(V)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Memorial Day
1wks 6dys 18hrs 55mins
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Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
In article <Xns9A9C34553790Dwayneboatwrightatari@69.28.173.184>,
Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@arizona.usa,com > wrote:
> On Mon 12 May 2008 05:00:53a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
> > Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
> >
> > Michael
>
> Yes, of course, Anthony knows. And it *is* labeled "OT".
Sure it is. And it seems like the perfect thing to discuss in the
r.f.c. chat room instead of here.
--
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In article <Xns9A9C34553790Dwayneboatwrightatari@69.28.173.184>,
Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@arizona.usa,com > wrote:
> On Mon 12 May 2008 05:00:53a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
> > Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
> >
> > Michael
>
> Yes, of course, Anthony knows. And it *is* labeled "OT".
Sure it is. And it seems like the perfect thing to discuss in the
r.f.c. chat room instead of here.
--
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Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
On Mon 12 May 2008 05:02:31p, Melba's Jammin' told us...
> In article <Xns9A9C34553790Dwayneboatwrightatari@69.28.173.184>,
> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@arizona.usa,com > wrote:
>
>> On Mon 12 May 2008 05:00:53a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
>> > Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
>> >
>> > Michael
>>
>> Yes, of course, Anthony knows. And it *is* labeled "OT".
>
> Sure it is. And it seems like the perfect thing to discuss in the
> r.f.c. chat room instead of here.
Why instead of here?
Personally, I would expect topics to be no different in the r.f.c. chat
room than on r.f.c. itself. It is *all* rec.food.cooking. God knows there
have been uncounted numbers of OT posts here on r.f.c. that are far less
relevant. Probably one of the reasons I don't chat is that there is no
means of avoiding OT topics in chat that I am personally not interested in
as exist in reading and filtering a newsgroup.
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On Mon 12 May 2008 05:02:31p, Melba's Jammin' told us...
> In article <Xns9A9C34553790Dwayneboatwrightatari@69.28.173.184>,
> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@arizona.usa,com > wrote:
>
>> On Mon 12 May 2008 05:00:53a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
>> > Do you *really* think he doesn't know this is a cooking group?
>> >
>> > Michael
>>
>> Yes, of course, Anthony knows. And it *is* labeled "OT".
>
> Sure it is. And it seems like the perfect thing to discuss in the
> r.f.c. chat room instead of here.
Why instead of here?
Personally, I would expect topics to be no different in the r.f.c. chat
room than on r.f.c. itself. It is *all* rec.food.cooking. God knows there
have been uncounted numbers of OT posts here on r.f.c. that are far less
relevant. Probably one of the reasons I don't chat is that there is no
means of avoiding OT topics in chat that I am personally not interested in
as exist in reading and filtering a newsgroup.
--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Monday, 05(V)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
Countdown till Memorial Day
1wks 6dys 6hrs 45mins
-------------------------------------------
'We already *know* who your friends
and family are.'-AT&T
-------------------------------------------
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
Wayne Boatwright said...
> Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
The Way Things Work
Andy
Wayne Boatwright said...
> Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
The Way Things Work
Andy
Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
Andy wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright said...
>
>> Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
>
> The Way Things Work
So...how *do* they work?
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Andy wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright said...
>
>> Re: OT: What book are you currently reading?
>
> The Way Things Work
So...how *do* they work?
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