Original TURF Cheesecake

Original TURF Cheesecake

I'm an old (75) fan of historical NY Cheesecakes. I've eaten at both
the original Lindy's and the original Turf. In my day there was a great
rivalry over who had the best cheesecake between the two not unlike the
old rivalry between Demel's and the Hotel Sacher in Vienna about
Sachertorte. (Later a Viennese court settled that matter.)

I've been searching for the original Turf cheesecake recipe for years
without success. Anyone have it?

Thanks;
David Sternlight
Los Angeles

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Re: Original TURF Cheesecake

On Sun 25 May 2008 03:32:37p, David Sternlight told us...

> I'm an old (75) fan of historical NY Cheesecakes. I've eaten at both
> the original Lindy's and the original Turf. In my day there was a great
> rivalry over who had the best cheesecake between the two not unlike the
> old rivalry between Demel's and the Hotel Sacher in Vienna about
> Sachertorte. (Later a Viennese court settled that matter.)
>
> I've been searching for the original Turf cheesecake recipe for years
> without success. Anyone have it?
>
> Thanks;
> David Sternlight
> Los Angeles

David, it appears that there is still a copyright on the Turf Cheesecake
recipe, and I have yet to see a "copycat" recipe for it. This is probably
why you haven't found it.

The original recipe for Lindy's Cheesecake, however, is available online.
The following is an interesting article about both cheesecakes and the
recipe for the Lindy's Cheescake...

http :// www .cyber-kitchen,com /rfcj/SHAVUOT/Cheesecake_Molly_Lukens_-
_dairy.html



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Copyright (was Re: Original TURF Cheesecake)

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> David, it appears that there is still a copyright on the Turf
> Cheesecake recipe,...

I'm not a lawyer, but this is my understanding. Text surrounding a
recipe--that is, commentary, anecdotes, some sort of story, etc. and any
illustrations can be copyrighted. Recipes in a collection can have a
"compilation copyright" on how they're presented, and as a work as a
whole. Recipes themselves can't be coprighted.

That's because recipes are so much alike, and can be changed easily.
For example, if someone writes:

2 eggs, beaten
1 cup milk
1 cup flour, sifted

In a bowl, add milk to eggs. Whisk in flour until blended.

and someone else comes along and changes it to:

2 eggs
1 cup milk
1 scant cup flour

Place eggs in bowl and beat lightly. Add milk. Blend in flour.

You essentially have the same product, just expressed differently. You
can't really prove the second person copied the first.

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Re: Copyright (was Re: Original TURF Cheesecake)

On Mon 26 May 2008 12:46:28p, Brian Mailman told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> David, it appears that there is still a copyright on the Turf
>> Cheesecake recipe,...
>
> I'm not a lawyer, but this is my understanding. Text surrounding a
> recipe--that is, commentary, anecdotes, some sort of story, etc. and any
> illustrations can be copyrighted. Recipes in a collection can have a
> "compilation copyright" on how they're presented, and as a work as a
> whole. Recipes themselves can't be coprighted.
>
> That's because recipes are so much alike, and can be changed easily.
> For example, if someone writes:
>
> 2 eggs, beaten
> 1 cup milk
> 1 cup flour, sifted
>
> In a bowl, add milk to eggs. Whisk in flour until blended.
>
> and someone else comes along and changes it to:
>
> 2 eggs
> 1 cup milk
> 1 scant cup flour
>
> Place eggs in bowl and beat lightly. Add milk. Blend in flour.
>
> You essentially have the same product, just expressed differently. You
> can't really prove the second person copied the first.
>
> B/, moderator hat off

Yes, I think you're right about that, Brian. However, I have yet to see a
recipe surface anywhere for the Turf Cheesecake. They're still in business
and still baking those cheesecakes, so apparently no one has "stolen" the
recipe and published it. At least I've never been able to find it.

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Re: Copyright (was Re: Original TURF Cheesecake)

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 26 May 2008 12:46:28p, Brian Mailman told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> David, it appears that there is still a copyright on the Turf
>>> Cheesecake recipe,...
>>
>> I'm not a lawyer, but this is my understanding. Text surrounding a
>> recipe--that is, commentary, anecdotes, some sort of story, etc.
>> and any illustrations can be copyrighted. Recipes in a collection
>> can have a "compilation copyright" on how they're presented, and as
>> a work as a whole. Recipes themselves can't be coprighted.
>>
>> That's because recipes are so much alike, and can be changed
>> easily. For example, if someone writes:
>>
>> 2 eggs, beaten 1 cup milk 1 cup flour, sifted
>>
>> In a bowl, add milk to eggs. Whisk in flour until blended.
>>
>> and someone else comes along and changes it to:
>>
>> 2 eggs 1 cup milk 1 scant cup flour
>>
>> Place eggs in bowl and beat lightly. Add milk. Blend in flour.
>>
>> You essentially have the same product, just expressed differently.
>> You can't really prove the second person copied the first.

> Yes, I think you're right about that, Brian. However, I have yet to
> see a recipe surface anywhere for the Turf Cheesecake.

I looked around also and couldn't find it. It may be around, but it
doesn't seem like it's on the Web.

> They're still in business and still baking those cheesecakes, so
> apparently no one has "stolen" the recipe and published it. At least
> I've never been able to find it.

Could be like some Swiss chocolates--the recipe is broken down into
parts and no one works on the entire thing.

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Re: Original TURF Cheesecake

Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@arizona.usa,com > wrote:
> On Sun 25 May 2008 03:32:37p, David Sternlight told us...
> [ . . . ]
> The original recipe for Lindy's Cheesecake, however, is available online.
> The following is an interesting article about both cheesecakes and the
> recipe for the Lindy's Cheescake...
>
> http :// www .cyber-kitchen,com /rfcj/SHAVUOT/Cheesecake_Molly_Lukens_-
> _dairy.html

http :// tinyurl,com /6jrhjw

Thanks for that, Wayne. Several of my kids (including the one that still
lives here) bake a lot. I've emailed the recipe to them. Maybe I'll get a
taste. ;-)

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Re: Original TURF Cheesecake

On Tue 27 May 2008 11:39:16p, Nick Cramer told us...

> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@arizona.usa,com > wrote:
>> On Sun 25 May 2008 03:32:37p, David Sternlight told us...
>> [ . . . ]
>> The original recipe for Lindy's Cheesecake, however, is available
online.
>> The following is an interesting article about both cheesecakes and the
>> recipe for the Lindy's Cheescake...
>>
>> http :// www .cyber-kitchen,com /rfcj/SHAVUOT/Cheesecake_Molly_Lukens_-
>> _dairy.html
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /6jrhjw
>
> Thanks for that, Wayne. Several of my kids (including the one that still
> lives here) bake a lot. I've emailed the recipe to them. Maybe I'll get a
> taste. ;-)
>

You're most welcome! I hope they're generous with you. :-)

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