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China or India?

Reply from: britta
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 20:52
China or India?

I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
night. And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
has a mellow sweetness.
Maybe my palate is shifting?

Reply from: Shen
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 21:12
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 11:52 am, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
> I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
> In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
> the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
> night.  And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
> However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
> has a mellow sweetness.
> Maybe my palate is shifting?

And....perhaps, you sell these teas????????????

Reply from: Lewis Perin
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 21:33
Re: China or India?

Shen <iluvt2@gmail,com > writes:

> On Feb 13, 11:52 am, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
> > In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
> > the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
> > night.  And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
> > However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
> > has a mellow sweetness.
> > Maybe my palate is shifting?
>
> And....perhaps, you sell these teas????????????

Good catch, Shen! It's the same site that was asked recently to get
lost, too. Quoting from their cutesy web site,

[site name snipped] is little bit william & britta walker, but mostly
really good tea. we've been longtime tea drinkers and wish to share
this enjoyable nectar with all those around us.

Not only that, but their cloying site mascot, supposedly a squirrel,
looks more like a bear. I suppose that's why Dominic complained about
the graphics.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin / perin@acm.org
http :// www .panix,com /~perin/babelcarp.html

Reply from: SN
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 21:41
Re: China or India?

maybe we can have an automatic post 1/ week
such as "DO NOT ADVERTISE IN HERE"
the regulars could load that in filter/killfile


Reply from: Dominic T.
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 22:22
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 3:33 pm, Lewis Perin <pe...@panix,com > wrote:
> Shen <ilu...@gmail,com > writes:
> > On Feb 13, 11:52 am, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
> > > In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
> > > the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
> > > night. And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
> > > However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
> > > has a mellow sweetness.
> > > Maybe my palate is shifting?
>
> > And....perhaps, you sell these teas????????????
>
> Good catch, Shen! It's the same site that was asked recently to get
> lost, too. Quoting from their cutesy web site,
>
> [site name snipped] is little bit william & britta walker, but mostly
> really good tea. we've been longtime tea drinkers and wish to share
> this enjoyable nectar with all those around us.
>
> Not only that, but their cloying site mascot, supposedly a squirrel,
> looks more like a bear. I suppose that's why Dominic complained about
> the graphics.
>
> /Lew
> ---
> Lew Perin / pe...@acm.org http :// www .panix,com /~perin/babelcarp.html

Hey don't bring me up again :) I took enough heat already, now I know
how Ralph Nader must feel.

- Dominic

Reply from: britta
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 22:09
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 2:52 pm, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
> I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
> In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
> the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
> night.  And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
> However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
> has a mellow sweetness.
> Maybe my palate is shifting?

Look, I'm just talking about tea and I wanted to know about what
others in this group like.
I didn't say anything about what brand of tea.
I thought we were welcome to talk about tea, in general, as long as it
doesn't include advertisement. I'm trying to abide by the rules and
talk about tea! Sheesh.
Just forget it.

Reply from: Dominic T.
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 22:26
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 4:09 pm, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:52 pm, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
> > In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
> > the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
> > night. And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
> > However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
> > has a mellow sweetness.
> > Maybe my palate is shifting?
>
> Look, I'm just talking about tea and I wanted to know about what
> others in this group like.
> I didn't say anything about what brand of tea.
> I thought we were welcome to talk about tea, in general, as long as it
> doesn't include advertisement. I'm trying to abide by the rules and
> talk about tea! Sheesh.
> Just forget it.

Hey it's cool, just relax, it was a bit soon and you didn't preface
your post well with anything disarming. I personally prefer Japanese
most of the time, but I have been growing to love Chinese teas over
the past two years or so. Gyokuro, Sencha, Bi Lo Chun, Shui Xian, Huo
Mountain Yellow tea, and some Dan Congs.

- Dominic

Reply from: Michael Plant
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 23:47
Re: China or India?

snip

..I personally prefer Japanese most of
> the time, but I have been growing to love Chinese teas over the past two
> years or so. Gyokuro, Sencha, Bi Lo Chun, Shui Xian, Huo Mountain Yellow
> tea, and some Dan Congs.
> - Dominic

I love them both, but China trumps India because the selection of style is so vast there. India produces some extraordinary teas, two of which I drank today supplied by a friend not uknnown to you, but with Chinese tea the adventure never ends. Ya got yer Puerhs (blacks), greens, yellows, whites, oolongs of multifarious stripes, reds, and blues, whatever the heck *they* are. That's my opinion.
Michael

Reply from: Shen
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 22:31
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 1:09 pm, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:52 pm, britta <britta.r.wal...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > I'm just wondering about the general preference out there.
> > In general I prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been
> > the Tarajulie Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and
> > night.  And I love spicy chai with hints of cumin.
> > However China has caught my tongue lately as well, a light Keemun that
> > has a mellow sweetness.
> > Maybe my palate is shifting?
>
> Look, I'm just talking about tea and I wanted to know about what
> others in this group like.
> I didn't say anything about what brand of tea.
> I thought we were welcome to talk about tea, in general, as long as it
> doesn't include advertisement.  I'm trying to abide by the rules and
> talk about tea! Sheesh.
> Just forget it.

Look, if you really are here to join in tea discussions, we'd most
likely be happy to have you here. However, when your very first post
is a blatant advertisement, it does become suspicious.
This circumstance arises periodically and we have suffered through
innumerable forms of advertising, oft disguised as interest in teas
that are, coincidentally, marketed by the poster.
I would suggest, as has been suggested herein previously, that you do
a bit of researching and check out posts in the archives regarding the
collective attitudes here toward advertising and essentially, covert
behavior.
It should be obvious to you, in those posts and replies, that no one
here is interested in being part of a thinly hidden marketing survey.
Had your post been one of sincere curiosity and not one following an
advertising ploy, you most likely would not have received the
responses you did.
Shen




Reply from: Michael Plant
Date: 13 Feb 2008, 23:41
Re: China or India?


>>> I'm just wondering about the general preference out there. In general I
>>> prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been the Tarajulie
>>> Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and night.  And I love
>>> spicy chai with hints of cumin. However China has caught my tongue
>>> lately as well, a light Keemun that has a mellow sweetness. Maybe my
>>> palate is shifting?

>> And....perhaps, you sell these teas????????????

> Good catch, Shen! It's the same site that was asked recently to get lost,
> too. Quoting from their cutesy web site,

> [site name snipped] is little bit william & britta walker, but mostly
> really good tea. we've been longtime tea drinkers and wish to share this
> enjoyable nectar with all those around us.

> Not only that, but their cloying site mascot, supposedly a squirrel, looks
> more like a bear. I suppose that's why Dominic complained about the
> graphics.

Hey Lew, for the love of Pete! Dominic in his infinite wisdom *did* invite William and Britta to join the group to talk about tea out of the context of sales and store. So, as soon as one of them tries to talk about tea, off we go again. Jeez! Not only was there no mention of commerce in her post, not even a URL to go to. Wow. Is this what it's come to? Now, to slink back to my tea leaf strewn lair (however you spell that) to sulk. And what did the beary squirrel (or squirrely bear if you like) ever do to you?
Michael

Reply from: Dominic T.
Date: 14 Feb 2008, 00:14
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 5:41 pm, Michael Plant <mpl...@pipeline,com > wrote:
> >>> I'm just wondering about the general preference out there. In general I
> >>> prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been the Tarajulie
> >>> Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and night. And I love
> >>> spicy chai with hints of cumin. However China has caught my tongue
> >>> lately as well, a light Keemun that has a mellow sweetness. Maybe my
> >>> palate is shifting?
> >> And....perhaps, you sell these teas????????????
> > Good catch, Shen! It's the same site that was asked recently to get lost,
> > too. Quoting from their cutesy web site,
> > [site name snipped] is little bit william & britta walker, but mostly
> > really good tea. we've been longtime tea drinkers and wish to share this
> > enjoyable nectar with all those around us.
> > Not only that, but their cloying site mascot, supposedly a squirrel, looks
> > more like a bear. I suppose that's why Dominic complained about the
> > graphics.
>
> Hey Lew, for the love of Pete! Dominic in his infinite wisdom *did* invite William and Britta to join the group to talk about tea out of the context of sales and store. So, as soon as one of them tries to talk about tea, off we go again. Jeez! Not only was there no mention of commerce in her post, not even a URL to go to. Wow. Is this what it's come to? Now, to slink back to my tea leaf strewn lair (however you spell that) to sulk. And what did the beary squirrel (or squirrely bear if you like) ever do to you?
> Michael

I take full responsibility for whipping up the lynch mob into a
frenzy... I could have been nicer initially, but when I see bad
design, potential security issues for customers, and wild claims like
"The best tea in the world" at $3/oz. My uniformed side comes out.

Will and/or Britta, you are welcome to hang out here, truly... I think
everyone is just jumping the gun and on edge about all of the recent
spam and garbage. Imagine we are all new friends sitting in your
living room who know nothing about each other, think about how you
handle that type of thing and just mirror it here.

A new gathering of people doesn't traditionally begin with an
infomercial, or jump right into the meat of a conversation. Tell us a
bit about yourselves, what *you* like. What you've tried, what you do
for fun, anything... no one thinks you are some evil corporate shill,
you are two young folks getting into tea and trying to turn it into a
business a bit early... green if you will (oof, rimshot please).

I will say this, though, you might want to watch untrue statements
like "The best tea in the world" and you may want to explore a bit
more of the world of tea before getting into business. Just my
opinions, but they would prove helpful in creating a more truthful and
trusting business. Most of the vendors we deal with are encyclopedic
in their knowledge and TRULY offer some of the best tea in the world,
but we also know most of the REAL best tea in the world will never
make it to any of our lips in our lifetimes... a few maybe but I'd
have to mortgage my home, kidnap a prominent Japanese/Chinese family,
and even then I'd doubt my chances at the best in the world.

- Dominic

Reply from: SenchaSamurai
Date: 14 Feb 2008, 00:56
Re: China or India?

Most of the vendors we deal with are encyclopedic
>in their knowledge and TRULY offer some of the best tea in the world,
>but we also know most of the REAL best tea in the world will never
>make it to any of our lips in our lifetimes... a few maybe but I'd
>have to mortgage my home, kidnap a prominent Japanese/Chinese family,
>and even then I'd doubt my chances at the best in the world.
>
>- Dominic

Hi Dominic! I believe I know what you mean by that... Just as I started to believe (for a few minutes) that perhaps I have tried and learned quite a bunch of things about different teas I realized what a foolish sensation that really was. It happened when what I knew as an earthy (maybe even muddy) dark infusion called Puerh was actually an immense category of teas that comprises dozens and dozens of types and that it can be such an specialized thing that collectors are willing to pay several hundreds of dollars for a few grams of "old" weird tea. After that I saw that happening with all other types of teas and so I said to myself "never ever again think you even suspect to know a single thing about tea". And well, I guess that the most I can say about a tea I have tried is "it was the best tea I remember having, maybe". No, but really, first flush sencha is the best tea in the world (just joking).

--
Send from http :// www .nonsolonews,net

Reply from: Shen
Date: 14 Feb 2008, 01:30
Re: China or India?

On Feb 13, 2:41 pm, Michael Plant <mpl...@pipeline,com > wrote:
> >>> I'm just wondering about the general preference out there. In general I
> >>> prefer Indian tea to Chinese; my latest obession has been the Tarajulie
> >>> Assam, it's delicious all day, morning, noon, and night.   And I love
> >>> spicy chai with hints of cumin. However China has caught my tongue
> >>> lately as well, a light Keemun that has a mellow sweetness. Maybe my
> >>> palate is shifting?
> >> And....perhaps, you sell these teas????????????
> > Good catch, Shen!  It's the same site that was asked recently to get lost,
> > too.  Quoting from their cutesy web site,
> > [site name snipped] is little bit william & britta walker, but mostly
> > really good tea.  we've been longtime tea drinkers and wish to share this
> > enjoyable nectar with all those around us.
> > Not only that, but their cloying site mascot, supposedly a squirrel, looks
> > more like a bear.  I suppose that's why Dominic complained about the
> > graphics.
>
> Hey Lew, for the love of Pete! Dominic in his infinite wisdom *did* invite William and Britta to join the group to talk about tea out of the context of sales and store. So, as soon as one of them tries to talk about tea, off we go again. Jeez! Not only was there no mention of commerce in her post, not even a URL to go to. Wow. Is this what it's come to? Now, to slink back to my tea leaf strewn lair (however you spell that) to sulk. And what did the beary squirrel (or squirrely bear if you like) ever do to you?
> Michael

Michael,
What irked me was that the post seemed to fishing for preference and
the survey followed quickly upon the heels of an advertising poly.
It's obviously a very new business with limited stock and the vendors
need to know what to carry to entice a knowledgeable customer. Of
course, it was a survey question!
Had it been phrased in a way that was more straightforward, it would
not have bothered me, at all.
Although I, too, found the bear-squirrel-whatever critter a little
creepy, the graphics hardly influenced my response.
It was the jive that provoked it.
Shen

Reply from: Alan
Date: 14 Feb 2008, 01:55
Re: China or India?

Welcome Will and Britta,

To answer your question: I tend to prefer Indian black teas. Assams
are my current fave. In fact, I bought some Golden Tips Assam from Tao
of Tea and it's my go-to black tea. Very smooth!

My palate changes all the time. I just finished up some 2005 Monkey-
Picked from Seven Cups which at first I thought was harsh and bitter.
I put it away for a while (perhaps it aged gracefully) and when I went
back to it I enjoyed it so much more than before.

Alan

P.S. We DO want to hear from you guys. Please stick around and discuss
tea. I for one am "thirsty" (groan) for more tea discussion. I've
learned a lot here, and enjoy hearing different perspectives.

Reply from: Lewis Perin
Date: 14 Feb 2008, 16:46
Re: China or India?

Michael Plant <mplant@pipeline,com > writes:

> > [...Lew piling on...]
>
> Hey Lew, for the love of Pete! Dominic in his infinite wisdom *did*
> invite William and Britta to join the group to talk about tea out of
> the context of sales and store. So, as soon as one of them tries to
> talk about tea, off we go again. Jeez! Not only was there no mention
> of commerce in her post, not even a URL to go to. Wow. Is this what
> it's come to? Now, to slink back to my tea leaf strewn lair (however
> you spell that) to sulk. And what did the beary squirrel (or
> squirrely bear if you like) ever do to you? Michael

You've got a point there, Judge.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin / perin@acm.org
http :// www .panix,com /~perin/babelcarp.html
recent addition: Bianxiaocha


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