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way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to understand and easterners to agree on
way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to understand and easterners to agree on
way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to
understand and easterners to agree on
I think is a problem linking chinese tea ceremony/arts/brewing/culture
to tao/dao because in most english speakers understand of tao/dao is
one the spelling differences and two the fact that it is used to
represet tao/dao(ism), which is not a good representation of tea
studies and higher more devotion to tea to even living with tea, and
being part of one's life. Some people today still say the japanese
tea ceremony is tea dao/tao or chado and sado, in japan they concider
chinese tea an art not a tao/dao, which also is strange becaus tao/dao
we are talking about came from china "Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching", so
even easterners dont have it down clear, i think we all know what art
and culture is in the west and east, but "tea tao/dao" is still
debated of what it is.
Lore in the sense of -" knowledge gained through study or experience,
traditional knowledge or belief, a particular body of knowledge or
tradition"
Dao/Tao in the sense of not Daoism or Taoism but the Chinese word only
and its meaning with learning an Art with devotion and living the Art
and assimilating it into one's life.
Lore may refer to a number of different definitions, subjects, but
strictly speaking: something that is learned, knowledge gained
through study or experience, traditional knowledge or belief, a
particular body of knowledge or tradition
Archaic: something that is taught: lesson
Middle English, from Old English lār; akin to Old High German lēra
doctrine, Old English leornian to learn
Date: before 12th century
ORIGIN Old English, instruction; related to LEARN.
Not to be confused with folklore, legend, or myth. Lore may refer to
different definitions when combined with other words. Yes as with most
words there are some other accepted meanings for lore: the stories
and traditions of a particular group of people folk lore; also weather
lore, Celtic lore, and folklore.
way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to
understand and easterners to agree on
I think is a problem linking chinese tea ceremony/arts/brewing/culture
to tao/dao because in most english speakers understand of tao/dao is
one the spelling differences and two the fact that it is used to
represet tao/dao(ism), which is not a good representation of tea
studies and higher more devotion to tea to even living with tea, and
being part of one's life. Some people today still say the japanese
tea ceremony is tea dao/tao or chado and sado, in japan they concider
chinese tea an art not a tao/dao, which also is strange becaus tao/dao
we are talking about came from china "Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching", so
even easterners dont have it down clear, i think we all know what art
and culture is in the west and east, but "tea tao/dao" is still
debated of what it is.
Lore in the sense of -" knowledge gained through study or experience,
traditional knowledge or belief, a particular body of knowledge or
tradition"
Dao/Tao in the sense of not Daoism or Taoism but the Chinese word only
and its meaning with learning an Art with devotion and living the Art
and assimilating it into one's life.
Lore may refer to a number of different definitions, subjects, but
strictly speaking: something that is learned, knowledge gained
through study or experience, traditional knowledge or belief, a
particular body of knowledge or tradition
Archaic: something that is taught: lesson
Middle English, from Old English lār; akin to Old High German lēra
doctrine, Old English leornian to learn
Date: before 12th century
ORIGIN Old English, instruction; related to LEARN.
Not to be confused with folklore, legend, or myth. Lore may refer to
different definitions when combined with other words. Yes as with most
words there are some other accepted meanings for lore: the stories
and traditions of a particular group of people folk lore; also weather
lore, Celtic lore, and folklore.
Re: way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to understand and easterners to agree
On Feb 20, 12:51 am, icetea <icet...@gmail,com > wrote:
> way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to
> understand and easterners to agree on
> I think is a problem linking chinese tea ceremony/arts/brewing/culture
> to tao/dao because in most english speakers understand of tao/dao is
> one the spelling differences and two the fact that it is used to
> represet tao/dao(ism), which is not a good representation of tea
> studies and higher more devotion to tea to even living with tea, and
> being part of one's life. Some people today still say the japanese
> tea ceremony is tea dao/tao or chado and sado, in japan they concider
> chinese tea an art not a tao/dao, which also is strange becaus tao/dao
> we are talking about came from china "Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching", so
> even easterners dont have it down clear, i think we all know what art
> and culture is in the west and east, but "tea tao/dao" is still
> debated of what it is.
> Lore in the sense of -" knowledge gained through study or experience,
> traditional knowledge or belief, a particular body of knowledge or
> tradition"
>
> Dao/Tao in the sense of not Daoism or Taoism but the Chinese word only
> and its meaning with learning an Art with devotion and living the Art
> and assimilating it into one's life.
> http :// tea-and-tea.blogspot,com
> Lore may refer to a number of different definitions, subjects, but
> strictly speaking: something that is learned, knowledge gained
> through study or experience, traditional knowledge or belief, a
> particular body of knowledge or tradition
> Archaic: something that is taught: lesson
> Middle English, from Old English lār; akin to Old High German lēra
> doctrine, Old English leornian to learn
> Date: before 12th century
> ORIGIN Old English, instruction; related to LEARN.
> Not to be confused with folklore, legend, or myth. Lore may refer to
> different definitions when combined with other words. Yes as with most
> words there are some other accepted meanings for lore: the stories
> and traditions of a particular group of people folk lore; also weather
> lore, Celtic lore, and folklore.
It's weird!
On Feb 20, 12:51 am, icetea <icet...@gmail,com > wrote:
> way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to
> understand and easterners to agree on
> I think is a problem linking chinese tea ceremony/arts/brewing/culture
> to tao/dao because in most english speakers understand of tao/dao is
> one the spelling differences and two the fact that it is used to
> represet tao/dao(ism), which is not a good representation of tea
> studies and higher more devotion to tea to even living with tea, and
> being part of one's life. Some people today still say the japanese
> tea ceremony is tea dao/tao or chado and sado, in japan they concider
> chinese tea an art not a tao/dao, which also is strange becaus tao/dao
> we are talking about came from china "Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching", so
> even easterners dont have it down clear, i think we all know what art
> and culture is in the west and east, but "tea tao/dao" is still
> debated of what it is.
> Lore in the sense of -" knowledge gained through study or experience,
> traditional knowledge or belief, a particular body of knowledge or
> tradition"
>
> Dao/Tao in the sense of not Daoism or Taoism but the Chinese word only
> and its meaning with learning an Art with devotion and living the Art
> and assimilating it into one's life.
> http :// tea-and-tea.blogspot,com
> Lore may refer to a number of different definitions, subjects, but
> strictly speaking: something that is learned, knowledge gained
> through study or experience, traditional knowledge or belief, a
> particular body of knowledge or tradition
> Archaic: something that is taught: lesson
> Middle English, from Old English lār; akin to Old High German lēra
> doctrine, Old English leornian to learn
> Date: before 12th century
> ORIGIN Old English, instruction; related to LEARN.
> Not to be confused with folklore, legend, or myth. Lore may refer to
> different definitions when combined with other words. Yes as with most
> words there are some other accepted meanings for lore: the stories
> and traditions of a particular group of people folk lore; also weather
> lore, Celtic lore, and folklore.
It's weird!
Re: way of tea, tea tao/dao, chadao, confusing for a westerner to understand and easterners to agree
I am very confused now, more than before I read the post! As far as I knew about this (and what I know comes mainly from this little book on tea ceremony by Kakuzo Okakura), there were 3 major chinese dinasties that had different was of consuming tea, according to their particular ideals. I will try to explain the best I can (please correct me, I know that this might not be accurate or right, you guys problably know much better).
The first one was T'ang, with cooked caked tea along with salt, rice and a lot of weird things like ginger and onions. This was a very primitive method, but was further refined by the Sung(together with the further development of their philosophy thanks to confusianism and taoism through people like Lu Wu) to the use of powdered tea and water as only ingredientes. During this time things around tea grew more idealistic and romantic, as did the currents of thought that, mainly, started making self realization more important. Thus, the ways of achieving this also developed greatly during this time, making of tea time a very important thing in an spiritual manner. It was around here that the southern Zen sects had their first kinds of tea ceremony based on the taoist ideas of self realization on fashion at the time.
Things up to this point were very very sophisticated, and thats what the Japanese monks took back home. In China, however, they were lost in some amount due to the invasion of the Mongol tribes of the Yuen emperors. This decay lead to steeped tea, the third way of consuming tea that held through the Ming dinasty.
After that, the tea ceremony was further developed in Japan as come representation of how the Zen was able to take taoism into the realm of practical things as much as it meant a source of idealistic ideas in china.
According to this sequence of things, the Zen is practical taoism, with tao meaning path, the law, nature... So, tao=path, in japanese it would be do=michi=path and cha is cha is cha for everyone, then chado is the same as chadao and they are both based on the ideals of Taoism and then the tea ceremony is the same as those and then I just can see were the confusion of this terms comes from. Maybe I am a insufferable westerner that just doesn't get it??
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I am very confused now, more than before I read the post! As far as I knew about this (and what I know comes mainly from this little book on tea ceremony by Kakuzo Okakura), there were 3 major chinese dinasties that had different was of consuming tea, according to their particular ideals. I will try to explain the best I can (please correct me, I know that this might not be accurate or right, you guys problably know much better).
The first one was T'ang, with cooked caked tea along with salt, rice and a lot of weird things like ginger and onions. This was a very primitive method, but was further refined by the Sung(together with the further development of their philosophy thanks to confusianism and taoism through people like Lu Wu) to the use of powdered tea and water as only ingredientes. During this time things around tea grew more idealistic and romantic, as did the currents of thought that, mainly, started making self realization more important. Thus, the ways of achieving this also developed greatly during this time, making of tea time a very important thing in an spiritual manner. It was around here that the southern Zen sects had their first kinds of tea ceremony based on the taoist ideas of self realization on fashion at the time.
Things up to this point were very very sophisticated, and thats what the Japanese monks took back home. In China, however, they were lost in some amount due to the invasion of the Mongol tribes of the Yuen emperors. This decay lead to steeped tea, the third way of consuming tea that held through the Ming dinasty.
After that, the tea ceremony was further developed in Japan as come representation of how the Zen was able to take taoism into the realm of practical things as much as it meant a source of idealistic ideas in china.
According to this sequence of things, the Zen is practical taoism, with tao meaning path, the law, nature... So, tao=path, in japanese it would be do=michi=path and cha is cha is cha for everyone, then chado is the same as chadao and they are both based on the ideals of Taoism and then the tea ceremony is the same as those and then I just can see were the confusion of this terms comes from. Maybe I am a insufferable westerner that just doesn't get it??
-:-Sencha-:-
--
Send from http :// www .nonsolonews,net
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