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Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

Reply from: TokyoB
Date: 25 Mar 2008, 22:17
Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

Hello.
Has anyone ordered from J-Tea?
http :// www .jteainternational,com /

Their teas look/sound good but some of them are rather expensive and I
haven't heard of anyone in this forum ordering from them. (This is
not an ad! I've read the other posts on that topic.) Does anyone know
anything about the competitions in Taiwan and the various tiers? Are
these really indicators of quality? (They do seem to be indicators of
price!). Does anyone know if there are so many competitions that
"winning" is basically meaningless? or are there relatively few
competitions and it means something to someone at least?
Thanks

Reply from: Will Yardley
Date: 26 Mar 2008, 04:09
Re: Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

On 2008-03-25, TokyoB <dragonwelltea@gmail,com > wrote:

> Has anyone ordered from J-Tea?
> http :// www .jteainternational,com /
>
> Their teas look/sound good but some of them are rather expensive and I
> haven't heard of anyone in this forum ordering from them. (This is
> not an ad! I've read the other posts on that topic.)

They seem to have some of their facts mixed up (like saying that rou gui
is "from An Xi in Fu Jian in the Wu Yi mountain area"* -- and is that
picture showing a rolled tea?? --, and categorizing Tie Guan Yins
separately from either green or roasted oolongs). It's odd that they say
the best oolong harvests in Taiwan are winter and spring - I thought
that for most teas which are harvested more than once a year, fall and
spring were considered the best harvests for almost any type of tea in
either mainland China or Taiwan.

Some of the prices seem high; others seem reasonable, but it's really
hard to say without trying the tea. It definitely looks like he's better
connected in Taiwan, so I'm guessing most of the mainland teas have come
through Taiwan. You'll probably have a better bet getting Taiwanese teas
from him than Chinese teas.

He seems a little cocky (he's quoted as saying he has the "best tea in
the world, here in Eugene.")**, but at least he's enthusiastic, and
trying to develop a market for good tea in the US - and I know from
watching other people try to make a living from this that it's a hard
way to go.

I am curious to see a tea shop like this in Eugene -- I have a friend
who lives there, so when I visit, I'll try to scope it out in person.
And definitely post to the group if you try out his stuff.

w

* http :// www .jteainternational,com /teas/bakedoolongs.htm
** http :// rgweb.registerguard,com /news/2007/08/08/b1.bz.teahouse.0808.p2.php?section=business

Reply from: Will Yardley
Date: 30 Aug 2008, 19:51
Re: Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

On 2008-03-26, Will Yardley <&-@no.spam.veggiechinese,net > wrote:

> I am curious to see a tea shop like this in Eugene -- I have a friend
> who lives there, so when I visit, I'll try to scope it out in person.

I visited Josh at his retail shop in Eugene this week. Even though
Eugene is a small town, he has a good business going there with people
stopping in to chat, have a cup of tea, buy tea leaf, etc. Maybe it's
all the hippies, maybe it's the water, or maybe it's the cold / rainy
weather, but the Pacific NW seems to be a good region for tea.

I managed to out myself as one of the people who posted in this thread
much more quickly after I showed up at the shop than I intended to.

In any event, I will say that Josh is a pretty enthusiastic person who
clearly knows about tea, and I had a good time drinking tea with him
across two afternoons, though I ended up very tea-drunk both days. We
tried some stuff that I brought to share, as well as a number of his
teas. He has a good selection of roasted and aged teas, which is unusual
for someone who focuses so heavily on Taiwanese teas.

Also, he mentioned that his current price list is a little lower than
some of the prices listed on his site, and I believe he has some new
stuff in stock too. If you're willing to pay for samples, he'll also
send you samples by mail. Anyway, if you're buying tea online, j-tea is
definitely a US vendor to keep in mind. I'm not going to speculate on
relative value compared to other vendors, because it's such a subjective
area, but he certainly has some teas that are both affordable and good.

http :// www .jteainternational,com /

Up to Floating Leaves in Seattle this afternoon, and some shops in
Vancouver on Sunday.

w


Reply from: Space Cowboy
Date: 02 Sep 2008, 15:23
Re: Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

Thanks for the follow up. I like brick and mortar reports. My local
tea shoppe unloaded its GaoShans because the owner likes the taste of
the Nantous better. I got my share. Oh I wished I could order from
the .TW sites. Now I know someone there so I'll save the Urls as a
point of reference when I start begging get me some.


Jim


Will Yardley wrote:
> On 2008-03-26, Will Yardley <&-@no.spam.veggiechinese,net > wrote:
>
> > I am curious to see a tea shop like this in Eugene -- I have a friend
> > who lives there, so when I visit, I'll try to scope it out in person.
...flashback...

Reply from: toci
Date: 02 Sep 2008, 16:33
Re: Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

On Sep 2, 8:23 am, Space Cowboy <netst...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> Thanks for the follow up.  I like brick and mortar reports.  My local
> tea shoppe unloaded its GaoShans because the owner likes the taste of
> the Nantous better.  I got my share.  Oh I wished I could order from
> the .TW sites.  Now I know someone there so I'll save the Urls as a
> point of reference when I start begging get me some.
>
> Jim
>
> Will Yardley wrote:
> > On 2008-03-26, Will Yardley <&...@no.spam.veggiechinese,net > wrote:
>
> > > I am curious to see a tea shop like this in Eugene -- I have a friend
> > > who lives there, so when I visit, I'll try to scope it out in person.
>
> ...flashback...

Wait a second- you can discard one tea just because you like another
tea better? Toci

Reply from: Space Cowboy
Date: 03 Sep 2008, 14:26
Re: Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

The owner is replacing his unknown gaoshans with the known ones. The
market place demands it. In the good ole days you could drink a cup
of Formosa oolong and be satisfied which still serves me well in this
case.

Jim

toci wrote:
> On Sep 2, 8:23?am, Space Cowboy <netst...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> > Thanks for the follow up. ?I like brick and mortar reports. ?My local
> > tea shoppe unloaded its GaoShans because the owner likes the taste of
> > the Nantous better. ?I got my share. ?Oh I wished I could order from
> > the .TW sites. ?Now I know someone there so I'll save the Urls as a
> > point of reference when I start begging get me some.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Will Yardley wrote:
> > > On 2008-03-26, Will Yardley <&...@no.spam.veggiechinese,net > wrote:
> >
> > > > I am curious to see a tea shop like this in Eugene -- I have a friend
> > > > who lives there, so when I visit, I'll try to scope it out in person.
> >
> > ...flashback...
>
> Wait a second- you can discard one tea just because you like another
> tea better? Toci

Reply from: joel.anselm.dietz@gmail,com
Date: 03 Sep 2008, 18:02
Ordered from here? -> Tea Source Comparison Site

This reminds me of a project I've had on the backburner for awhile and
wish to solicit advice on. When not traveling around East Asia (and
now Germany) I work as a web developer. I have long considered
putting something together for interested parties to rate and share
opinions on favorite tea sources.

I know quite a few people who follow this list maintain tea blogs, and
I wondered if there was interest in posting tea related reviews into a
central site that could be easily sortable. For instance, one could
easily look at all of the reviews for teas from Houde or Teaspring, or
see every vendor who sells Dong Ding.

Last fall I put together a more or less complete design schema, but
realized that because of the lack of standardization, it would be near
impossible to create a completely open system that also had a
qualitative element. That is, because is almost no way (that I know
of) to separate between different quality of Dahongpao teas, one's
ability to sort would suffer significantly. Most likely, the mass
producing vendors would win out over the smaller quality operations.

So I suppose I'll throw this out there: When I am not in East Asia I
buy almost all my tea online and would love to build a site that
allows interested parties to share tea tasting experiences on a
combined platform for tea blogging.

For those interested: http :// corkd,com / offers something similar for
wine lovers.

Cheers,

Joel Dietz


On Sep 3, 2:26 pm, Space Cowboy <netst...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> The owner is replacing his unknown gaoshans with the known ones.  The
> market place demands it.  In the good ole days you could drink a cup
> of Formosa oolong and be satisfied which still serves me well in this
> case.
>
> Jim
>
> toci wrote:
> > On Sep 2, 8:23?am, Space Cowboy <netst...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> > > Thanks for the follow up. ?I like brick and mortar reports. ?My local
> > > tea shoppe unloaded its GaoShans because the owner likes the taste of
> > > the Nantous better. ?I got my share. ?Oh I wished I could order from
> > > the .TW sites. ?Now I know someone there so I'll save the Urls as a
> > > point of reference when I start begging get me some.
>
> > > Jim
>
> > > Will Yardley wrote:
> > > > On 2008-03-26, Will Yardley <&...@no.spam.veggiechinese,net > wrote:
>
> > > > > I am curious to see a tea shop like this in Eugene -- I have a friend
> > > > > who lives there, so when I visit, I'll try to scope it out in person.
>
> > > ...flashback...
>
> > Wait a second- you can discard one tea just because you like another
> > tea better?     Toci


Reply from: Dominic T.
Date: 03 Sep 2008, 21:23
Re: Ordered from here? -> Tea Source Comparison Site

On Sep 3, 12:02 pm, joel.anselm.di...@gmail,com wrote:
> This reminds me of a project I've had on the backburner for awhile and
> wish to solicit advice on.  When not traveling around East Asia (and
> now Germany) I work as a web developer.  I have long considered
> putting something together for interested parties to rate and share
> opinions on favorite tea sources.
>
> I know quite a few people who follow this list maintain tea blogs, and
> I wondered if there was interest in posting tea related reviews into a
> central site that could be easily sortable.  For instance, one could
> easily look at all of the reviews for teas from Houde or Teaspring, or
> see every vendor who sells Dong Ding.
>
> Last fall I put together a more or less complete design schema, but
> realized that because of the lack of standardization, it would be near
> impossible to create a completely open system that also had a
> qualitative element.  That is, because is almost no way (that I know
> of) to separate between different quality of Dahongpao teas, one's
> ability to sort would suffer significantly.  Most likely, the mass
> producing vendors would win out over the smaller quality operations.
>
> So I suppose I'll throw this out there:  When I am not in East Asia I
> buy almost all my tea online and would love to build a site that
> allows interested parties to share tea tasting experiences on a
> combined platform for tea blogging.
>
> For those interested:   http :// corkd,com /offers something similar for
> wine lovers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel Dietz


I've been there done that and given up. It seems doable but in reality
it isn't. Tea is ephemeral and impossible to handle in this manner or
along the lines of corkd or beeradvocate. Year to year changes are an
instant killer, as soon as a tea gets chronicled it is most likely out
of season and while it may be a good indicator of future seasons it is
not reliable. Wine has years, tea has months. Vendors buy from
numerous sources, so one batch may be from one place and the next may
be from another except for very specific teas. There are truly
countless reasons and pitfalls. Again, I tried it. You may have better
luck, so I wish you the best... but I fear you will quickly come to
the same conclusion.

- Dominic

Reply from: Tea Exporter
Date: 22 Sep 2008, 04:04
Re: Ordered from here? -> Tea Source Comparison Site


Dear Sir,

How are you ?

We are one of leading Tea producer and Exporter in Nghe An
province,Viet Nam,
We own 07 Tea factories in remote areas of Nghe An,where is
specialised in prodcuing all CTC Black tea and Green tea grades.
Our products have been exported to many market in the world .
Today Iam sending you this msg with hope that you could find some tea
buyers for our company.
Hope to co-operate with you on mutual benefit.
Pls reply me via email address: natea@vnn.vn
Off.phone: 0084-38-3851555
Off.fax: 0084-38-3851242

Thanks & Regards

Mr.Jackie Ba - Chief Of Sales
On 4 Tha=CC=81ng Ch=C3=ADn, 02:23, "Dominic T." <dominictibe...@gmail,com >
wrote:
> On Sep 3, 12:02=C2=A0pm, joel.anselm.di...@gmail,com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This reminds me of a project I've had on the backburner for awhile and
> > wish to solicit advice on. =C2=A0When not traveling around EastAsia(and
> > now Germany) I work as a web developer. =C2=A0I have long considered
> > putting something together for interested parties to rate and share
> > opinions on favoriteteasources.
>
> > I know quite a few people who follow this list maintainteablogs, and
> > I wondered if there was interest in postingtearelated reviews into a
> > central site that could be easily sortable. =C2=A0For instance, one cou=
ld
> > easily look at all of the reviews for teas from Houde or Teaspring, or
> > see every vendor who sells Dong Ding.
>
> > Last fall I put together a more or less complete design schema, but
> > realized that because of the lack of standardization, it would be near
> > impossible to create a completely open system that also had a
> > qualitative element. =C2=A0That is, because is almost no way (that I kn=
ow
> > of) to separate between different quality of Dahongpao teas, one's
> > ability to sort would suffer significantly. =C2=A0Most likely, the mass
> > producing vendors would win out over the smaller quality operations.
>
> > So I suppose I'll throw this out there: =C2=A0When I am not in EastAsia=
I
> > buy almost all myteaonline and would love to build a site that
> > allows interested parties to shareteatasting experiences on a
> > combined platform forteablogging.
>
> > For those interested: =C2=A0 http :// corkd,com /offerssomething similar fo=
r
> > wine lovers.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Joel Dietz
>
> I've been there done that and given up. It seems doable but in reality
> it isn't.Teais ephemeral and impossible to handle in this manner or
> along the lines of corkd or beeradvocate. Year to year changes are an
> instant killer, as soon as ateagets chronicled it is most likely out
> of season and while it may be a good indicator of future seasons it is
> not reliable. Wine has years,teahas months. Vendors buy from
> numerous sources, so one batch may be from one place and the next may
> be from another except for very specific teas. There are truly
> countless reasons and pitfalls. Again, I tried it. You may have better
> luck, so I wish you the best... but I fear you will quickly come to
> the same conclusion.
>
> - Dominic- =E1=BA=A8n n=C3=B4=CC=A3i dung tr=C3=ADch d=E1=BA=ABn -
>
> - Hi=C3=AA=CC=89n thi=CC=A3 v=C4=83n ba=CC=89n =C4=91=C6=B0=C6=A1=CC=A3c =
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Reply from: Space Cowboy
Date: 05 Sep 2008, 14:21
Re: Ordered from here? -> Tea Source Comparison Site

I dont think one tea site can be all things to the tea community at
large. I use Google quite a bit to fill in the blank questions about
tea. If I really need to know something I ask here.

Jim

joel.anselm.di...@gmail,com wrote:
> This reminds me of a project I've had on the backburner for awhile and
> wish to solicit advice on. When not traveling around East Asia (and
> now Germany) I work as a web developer. I have long considered
> putting something together for interested parties to rate and share
> opinions on favorite tea sources.
...the best websites are the ones they say couldnt work...

Reply from: Dominic T.
Date: 26 Mar 2008, 20:06
Re: Has anyone ordered from here? Value of competitions?

On Mar 25, 5:17 pm, TokyoB <dragonwell...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Hello.
> Has anyone ordered from J-Tea? http :// www .jteainternational,com /
>
> Their teas look/sound good but some of them are rather expensive and I
> haven't heard of anyone in this forum ordering from them. (This is
> not an ad! I've read the other posts on that topic.) Does anyone know
> anything about the competitions in Taiwan and the various tiers? Are
> these really indicators of quality? (They do seem to be indicators of
> price!). Does anyone know if there are so many competitions that
> "winning" is basically meaningless? or are there relatively few
> competitions and it means something to someone at least?
> Thanks

I'm not sold at all. I looked into the site and while the intention
may be good it just falls flat big time. Best of luck to him, and if
it scratches a particular itch for you then go for it... otherwise
much better tea at much better prices can be found.

- Dominic




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