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"Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

Reply from: Bill
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 16:03
"Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

Does anyone manufacture a "variable heat" electric range, where when you
select the heat setting, it would have a constant heat at a certain
temperature? (Like you can do with a gas range...)

This would be sort of like a dimmer switch for a light where you can adjust
how much light is output from the bulb.

The way electric ranges work now is they go on and off, on and off.

Less heat means the "burner" goes on for a little while, then off for quite
awhile. Then with more heat, the "burner" is on for a long time, then off
for a little amount of time.

With a gas range, you can adjust the heat so it is constant - no off and on.
Seems they could do this with an electric range as well....



Reply from: James Silverton
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 16:11
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

Hello, Bill!
You wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:03:35 -0800:

B> This would be sort of like a dimmer switch for a light where
B> you can adjust how much light is output from the bulb.

B> The way electric ranges work now is they go on and off, on
B> and off.

B> Less heat means the "burner" goes on for a little while,
B> then off for quite awhile. Then with more heat, the "burner"
B> is on for a long time, then off for a little amount of time.

I don't know if such "variable" ranges exist but the off and on
process seems to work OK if the response is fast as it seems to
be on my stove. I wonder how variable heat would work, not I
hope like the dimmer on my outside lights that kills fluorescent
bulbs on the same circuit!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at,com cast.not


Reply from: Lou Decruss
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 17:45
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:11:05 -0500, "James Silverton"
<not.jim.silverton.at,com cast.not> wrote:

> I wonder how variable heat would work, not I
>hope like the dimmer on my outside lights that kills fluorescent
>bulbs on the same circuit!

Same circuit or switch leg?

Lou

Reply from: James Silverton
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 17:50
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

Hello, Lou!
You wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:45:19 GMT:

??>> I wonder how variable heat would work, not I
??>> hope like the dimmer on my outside lights that kills
??>> fluorescent bulbs on the same circuit!

LD> Same circuit or switch leg?

In the case of the bulb killer, it's the same circuit and
doesn't affect adjacent circuits but I wonder whether a "dimmer"
on the massive amperage stove circuit might affect others.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at,com cast.not


Reply from: terry
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 16:50
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

On Feb 12, 12:03 pm, "Bill" <bill190nos...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Does anyone manufacture a "variable heat" electric range, where when you
> select the heat setting, it would have a constant heat at a certain
> temperature? (Like you can do with a gas range...)
>
> This would be sort of like a dimmer switch for a light where you can adjust
> how much light is output from the bulb.
>
> The way electric ranges work now is they go on and off, on and off.
>
> Less heat means the "burner" goes on for a little while, then off for quite
> awhile. Then with more heat, the "burner" is on for a long time, then off
> for a little amount of time.
>
> With a gas range, you can adjust the heat so it is constant - no off and on.
> Seems they could do this with an electric range as well....

Our rough and ready electric cooking range seems to work well enough.
It has two larger and two smaller elements on top. Each 'burner' has
one of those rotary thermal controls. They last a long time; we have
rarely replaced one.
Also the usual top and bottom elements in the oven controlled by the
clock/timer and a thermostat.
Seems to be no problem setting any element to Full, or Low or anything
in between.
I think you are correct; but it would require a thermostatic control
for each element'. More complicated, more wiring and more expensive.
Do not see the practical need. Cooking requires attention in any case;
something as simple as sliding a pan off centre of a 'burner' (hob)
can slightly alter the cooking and improve/ruin an omelet!


Reply from: Peter A
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 16:55
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

In article <53bdubF1rb0p1U1@mid.individual,net >, bill190nospam@yahoo,com
says...
> Does anyone manufacture a "variable heat" electric range, where when you
> select the heat setting, it would have a constant heat at a certain
> temperature? (Like you can do with a gas range...)
>
> This would be sort of like a dimmer switch for a light where you can adjust
> how much light is output from the bulb.
>
> The way electric ranges work now is they go on and off, on and off.
>
> Less heat means the "burner" goes on for a little while, then off for quite
> awhile. Then with more heat, the "burner" is on for a long time, then off
> for a little amount of time.
>
> With a gas range, you can adjust the heat so it is constant - no off and on.
> Seems they could do this with an electric range as well....
>
>
>

Why do you want this? The on/off technique works just fine in my
experience. The thermal mass of the burner and the pan even things out.
For example, when I am simmering a soup on low, the soup simmers at an
even, constant rate even though the element is on for 2 seconds then off
for 10 (more or less).

Microwave ovens work the same way, although I have some vague
recollection that some fancy models have variable power.

--
Peter Aitken

Reply from: Bill
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 17:02
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

"Peter A" wrote in message
>
> Why do you want this?
>

Well I installed a woodstove and tried cooking on it. I cooked eggs and
noticed they came out perfect!

When I cook eggs on my electric range, they will tend to stick to the bottom
of the pan or overheat / underheat.

Anyway the difference between cooking on the woodstove and on my electric
range is amazing! The difference of course is the "steady heat" of the wood
stove as opposed to the "on/off" heat of the electric range.

And of course I don't have my woodstove fired up in the summer....



Reply from: Mike Berger
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 17:40
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

I think you're jumping to conclusions. I doubt it's any variation
in heat that's making the difference.

Bill wrote:
> "Peter A" wrote in message
>> Why do you want this?
>>
>
> Well I installed a woodstove and tried cooking on it. I cooked eggs and
> noticed they came out perfect!
>
> When I cook eggs on my electric range, they will tend to stick to the bottom
> of the pan or overheat / underheat.
>
> Anyway the difference between cooking on the woodstove and on my electric
> range is amazing! The difference of course is the "steady heat" of the wood
> stove as opposed to the "on/off" heat of the electric range.
>
> And of course I don't have my woodstove fired up in the summer....
>
>

Reply from: Dave Martindale
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 23:10
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo,com > writes:

>Well I installed a woodstove and tried cooking on it. I cooked eggs and
>noticed they came out perfect!

>When I cook eggs on my electric range, they will tend to stick to the bottom
>of the pan or overheat / underheat.

>Anyway the difference between cooking on the woodstove and on my electric
>range is amazing! The difference of course is the "steady heat" of the wood
>stove as opposed to the "on/off" heat of the electric range.

There are many possible explanations for this. Perhaps you just pay
more attention when cooking on the woodstove. Perhaps the large flat
iron cooking surface of the wood stove heats your pan more evenly than a
coil element on the electric stove. Or maybe the cyclic temperature
variations do matter. You haven't provided any evidence for the latter
explanation.

It would be interesting to measure the amount of temperature swing at
the surface of your electric element as the element cycles on and off.
Then measure it on the inside surface of the pan. I'll bet the
temperature range is not very large.

Dave

Reply from: JoeSpareBedroom
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 23:13
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

"Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:eqqolf$31j$1@swain.cs.ubc.ca...
> "Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo,com > writes:
>
>>Well I installed a woodstove and tried cooking on it. I cooked eggs and
>>noticed they came out perfect!
>
>>When I cook eggs on my electric range, they will tend to stick to the
>>bottom
>>of the pan or overheat / underheat.
>
>>Anyway the difference between cooking on the woodstove and on my electric
>>range is amazing! The difference of course is the "steady heat" of the
>>wood
>>stove as opposed to the "on/off" heat of the electric range.
>
> There are many possible explanations for this. Perhaps you just pay
> more attention when cooking on the woodstove. Perhaps the large flat
> iron cooking surface of the wood stove heats your pan more evenly than a
> coil element on the electric stove. Or maybe the cyclic temperature
> variations do matter. You haven't provided any evidence for the latter
> explanation.
>
> It would be interesting to measure the amount of temperature swing at
> the surface of your electric element as the element cycles on and off.
> Then measure it on the inside surface of the pan. I'll bet the
> temperature range is not very large.
>
> Dave


Coming to conclusions while missing 90% of the pertinent information is a
great American pastime, apparently.



Reply from: Sam E
Date: 13 Feb 2007, 02:47
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:13:12 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote:

>"Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>news:eqqolf$31j$1@swain.cs.ubc.ca...
>> "Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo,com > writes:
>>
>>>Well I installed a woodstove and tried cooking on it. I cooked eggs and
>>>noticed they came out perfect!
>>
>>>When I cook eggs on my electric range, they will tend to stick to the
>>>bottom
>>>of the pan or overheat / underheat.
>>
>>>Anyway the difference between cooking on the woodstove and on my electric
>>>range is amazing! The difference of course is the "steady heat" of the
>>>wood
>>>stove as opposed to the "on/off" heat of the electric range.
>>
>> There are many possible explanations for this. Perhaps you just pay
>> more attention when cooking on the woodstove. Perhaps the large flat
>> iron cooking surface of the wood stove heats your pan more evenly than a
>> coil element on the electric stove. Or maybe the cyclic temperature
>> variations do matter. You haven't provided any evidence for the latter
>> explanation.
>>
>> It would be interesting to measure the amount of temperature swing at
>> the surface of your electric element as the element cycles on and off.
>> Then measure it on the inside surface of the pan. I'll bet the
>> temperature range is not very large.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>Coming to conclusions while missing 90% of the pertinent information is a
>great American pastime, apparently.
>

That's normal. It's a lot easier to ignore 90% or more of what you
heard, and make up stuff to fill the gap.

Reply from: JoeSpareBedroom
Date: 13 Feb 2007, 07:11
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

"Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
news:h362t2lplgjmmo9unb84ffrtmearet2f3f@4ax,com ...
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:13:12 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>>"Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>news:eqqolf$31j$1@swain.cs.ubc.ca...
>>> "Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo,com > writes:
>>>
>>>>Well I installed a woodstove and tried cooking on it. I cooked eggs and
>>>>noticed they came out perfect!
>>>
>>>>When I cook eggs on my electric range, they will tend to stick to the
>>>>bottom
>>>>of the pan or overheat / underheat.
>>>
>>>>Anyway the difference between cooking on the woodstove and on my
>>>>electric
>>>>range is amazing! The difference of course is the "steady heat" of the
>>>>wood
>>>>stove as opposed to the "on/off" heat of the electric range.
>>>
>>> There are many possible explanations for this. Perhaps you just pay
>>> more attention when cooking on the woodstove. Perhaps the large flat
>>> iron cooking surface of the wood stove heats your pan more evenly than a
>>> coil element on the electric stove. Or maybe the cyclic temperature
>>> variations do matter. You haven't provided any evidence for the latter
>>> explanation.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to measure the amount of temperature swing at
>>> the surface of your electric element as the element cycles on and off.
>>> Then measure it on the inside surface of the pan. I'll bet the
>>> temperature range is not very large.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>>Coming to conclusions while missing 90% of the pertinent information is a
>>great American pastime, apparently.
>>
>
> That's normal. It's a lot easier to ignore 90% or more of what you
> heard, and make up stuff to fill the gap.


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and reports from over 4,300 farmers, we has conclusiatious evidences that Mr
Al Qaeda is responsiblatious for the shortage of them brocollis from
California during the last past two or couples of weeks". - George W. Bush



Reply from: Sharon
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 21:49
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

In article <MPG.203a5813a8cc8a57989a22@news-server.nc.rr,com >, Peter A <paitken@CRAPnc.rr,com > writes:
> In article <53bdubF1rb0p1U1@mid.individual,net >, bill190nospam@yahoo,com
> says...
>> Does anyone manufacture a "variable heat" electric range, where when you
>> select the heat setting, it would have a constant heat at a certain
>> temperature? (Like you can do with a gas range...)
>>
> Why do you want this? The on/off technique works just fine in my
> experience. The thermal mass of the burner and the pan even things out.
> For example, when I am simmering a soup on low, the soup simmers at an
> even, constant rate even though the element is on for 2 seconds then off
> for 10 (more or less).

I'm with the OP. I was just commenting that this kind of thing would
be nice to my husband yesterday as I was making our week's dinners. We have a
piss-poor glass-topped electric stove. We think it's crappy because it might
be low-watt, but don't know for sure. It can't boil a gallon of water unless
it's tightly lidded, and even then it takes over a half an hour.
Last weekend, I was making a roux, and I really noticed how poor it is
there too. I had trouble getting the correct temp to cook the roux - it cooked
fine while the burner was on, but all cooking stopped when the burner cycled
off. We HATE the thing.

- Sharon
"Gravity... is a harsh mistress!"

Reply from: JoeSpareBedroom
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 21:52
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

"Sharon" <frey@encompasserve.org> wrote in message
news:1z9WbWGzLL1a@eisner.encompasserve.org...
> In article <MPG.203a5813a8cc8a57989a22@news-server.nc.rr,com >, Peter A
> <paitken@CRAPnc.rr,com > writes:
>> In article <53bdubF1rb0p1U1@mid.individual,net >, bill190nospam@yahoo,com
>> says...
>>> Does anyone manufacture a "variable heat" electric range, where when you
>>> select the heat setting, it would have a constant heat at a certain
>>> temperature? (Like you can do with a gas range...)
>>>
>> Why do you want this? The on/off technique works just fine in my
>> experience. The thermal mass of the burner and the pan even things out.
>> For example, when I am simmering a soup on low, the soup simmers at an
>> even, constant rate even though the element is on for 2 seconds then off
>> for 10 (more or less).
>
> I'm with the OP. I was just commenting that this kind of thing would
> be nice to my husband yesterday as I was making our week's dinners. We
> have a
> piss-poor glass-topped electric stove. We think it's crappy because it
> might
> be low-watt, but don't know for sure. It can't boil a gallon of water
> unless
> it's tightly lidded, and even then it takes over a half an hour.
> Last weekend, I was making a roux, and I really noticed how poor it is
> there too. I had trouble getting the correct temp to cook the roux - it
> cooked
> fine while the burner was on, but all cooking stopped when the burner
> cycled
> off. We HATE the thing.
>
> - Sharon
> "Gravity... is a harsh mistress!"


You cannot compare a crappy glass top stove with a well designed electric
open-coil stove. That's like saying you like a certain shampoo better than
you like the size of the glove box in your car.



Reply from: Peter A
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 22:24
Re: "Variable heat" electric range available anywhere?

In article <1z9WbWGzLL1a@eisner.encompasserve.org>,
frey@encompasserve.org says...
> In article <MPG.203a5813a8cc8a57989a22@news-server.nc.rr,com >, Peter A <paitken@CRAPnc.rr,com > writes:
> > In article <53bdubF1rb0p1U1@mid.individual,net >, bill190nospam@yahoo,com
> > says...
> >> Does anyone manufacture a "variable heat" electric range, where when you
> >> select the heat setting, it would have a constant heat at a certain
> >> temperature? (Like you can do with a gas range...)
> >>
> > Why do you want this? The on/off technique works just fine in my
> > experience. The thermal mass of the burner and the pan even things out.
> > For example, when I am simmering a soup on low, the soup simmers at an
> > even, constant rate even though the element is on for 2 seconds then off
> > for 10 (more or less).
>
> I'm with the OP. I was just commenting that this kind of thing would
> be nice to my husband yesterday as I was making our week's dinners. We have a
> piss-poor glass-topped electric stove. We think it's crappy because it might
> be low-watt, but don't know for sure. It can't boil a gallon of water unless
> it's tightly lidded, and even then it takes over a half an hour.
> Last weekend, I was making a roux, and I really noticed how poor it is
> there too. I had trouble getting the correct temp to cook the roux - it cooked
> fine while the burner was on, but all cooking stopped when the burner cycled
> off. We HATE the thing.
>

Sounds awful, but it has nothing to do with it being electric. A decent
electric stove will boil water faster than a gas stove and is usually
superior at low-heat cooking. Time for a replacement maybe?


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