An old kitchen in an old house

An old kitchen in an old house

I recently purchased an old house built in 1972 and everything is original.
I am starting to figure what I need to do to the kitchen and need some
advice.

Let me take you on a tour.

Here is the cabinets. Floor is vinyl and has to go.

Appliance wise, there is an old trash compactor, dish washer they need to be
replaced.

Above the trash compactor is an interesting food equipment, a flip up food
processor.

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000509.jpg
http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000510.jpg

Next to it there is an inwall pocket toaster:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000514.jpg
http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000515.jpg

Should I keep these or throw them away?

Here is another wall mount can opener, it is corroded so that has to go:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000512.jpg

Opposite to the refrigerator is an inwall entertainment center:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000526.jpg

with a AM/FM radio that still works:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000527.jpg

below it an 8 track tape player:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000528.jpg

and at the bottom a flip down record player:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000529.jpg

What do I do with this, no more 8 track tapes!

There is a Jenn Air electric stove top, and since I am going with gas, that
needs to go.

Across from the electric stove top, is an indoor BBQ grill by Jenn-Air. It
has a down draft exhaust fan:

http :// s173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/?action=view¤t=P1000577.jpg

It still works but some of the switches and surfaces are corroded, I wonder
if these can still be fixed.

There is a double oven that does not work anymore:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000570.jpg

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000572.jpg

Thermatronic by Thermador? Who are they? I called some appliance guy out
and he says these are too old to even bother with. So far have had no luck
to get them repaired.

Now comes the siubzero refrigerator. It is a built-in unit and I read off
the door label it is a 3211RFD. The serial number is too old to be on
Subzero's own computer record but they told me it's about 30 years old and
they should still have parts for it.

Here is the unit:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000568.jpg

It has custom cabintry front panels. Inside is pretty old:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000562.jpg

the top and bottom are corroded, see pictures below:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000564.jpg
http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000563.jpg

Is it worth repairing and restoring? I would think this fridge is going to
be very inefficient even if restored? I know a new one will be very
expensive, so any suggestions here? Should I try to repair and renew it?

The kitchen cabinets are all solid wood, made by this company:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000576.jpg

personally I like my cabinets a bit lighter in color, like maple or at least
cherry, I wonder if I can preserve the cabinets but sand it down and restain
it. Anyone familiar with this cabinet maker? It is worth to restore the
cabinets or better to throw away and buy news ones?

Outside the kitchen there is an outdoor BBQ grill with a huge commercial
grade exhaust fan:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/OutdoorGrill.jpg

Finally a puzzle for you:

http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000523.jpg

Know what the emergency button is for?

When you walk into the kitchem, below the vinyl floor is a rectangular
weight sensor. If the alarm is on, your foot steps on this sensor, the
plate sinks just enough to make contact and the alarm sounds. You arm and
disarm using the key next to the emergency button. I have never seen 1970
security. This is so weird. Of course we have no use for this now.

I hope you enjoyed the tour, if you have any advise on what I should
save/restore and what I should rip off and throw away, especially regarding
the subzero refrigerator and cabinets, please let me know.

Regards,

MC

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

In article <97ednexljKD2XULYnZ2dnUVZ_v2knZ2d@dsli,com >,
"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail,com > wrote:

> I recently purchased an old house built in 1972

Oh yeah, an old house. Absolutely. Boy, it's 35 years old! Man, is
that OLD. It's pretty much a throwaway piece! OLD.

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns,com > wrote:

> "MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> I recently purchased an old house built in 1972
>
>Oh yeah, an old house. Absolutely. Boy, it's 35 years old! Man, is
>that OLD. It's pretty much a throwaway piece! OLD.

Yea. I was kind of amazed that someone considered a 1972 house being old.
Around where I am there is nothing newer than 1915. And mine, at 1891, is
kind of in the middle of the pack for age. Now a 1972 kitchen could be
considered old...

Don <www .donwiss,com > (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Re: An old kitchen in an old house


"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> Above the trash compactor is an interesting food equipment, a flip up food
> processor.
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000509.jpg
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000510.jpg
>
> Next to it there is an inwall pocket toaster:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000514.jpg
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000515.jpg
>
> Should I keep these or throw them away?

If they work, keep them for now, but if you are doing work around them, now
is the time to toss them. If you refinish the counter or wall and it breaks
a week later, you have a mess on your hands to repair. Back in the 70's,
this was high style, Jetson-wise.



> Opposite to the refrigerator is an inwall entertainment center:

>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000529.jpg
>
> What do I do with this, no more 8 track tapes!

Time to say goodbye.



>
> There is a double oven that does not work anymore:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000570.jpg
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000572.jpg
>
> Thermatronic by Thermador? Who are they? I called some appliance guy out
> and he says these are too old to even bother with. So far have had no
> luck to get them repaired.

Unless you can find the parts and do it yourself, you will be ot of luck.
Time to update.

>
> Now comes the siubzero refrigerator. It is a built-in unit and I read off
> the door label it is a 3211RFD. The serial number is too old to be on
> Subzero's own computer record but they told me it's about 30 years old and
> they should still have parts for it.
>
> Here is the unit:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000568.jpg

Again, it was top quality in its day. It is probably using double or triple
the power of a modern refrigerator though. And it lacks the features of
most modern units also. Given the corrosion, I'd ditch it.



> The kitchen cabinets are all solid wood, made by this company:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000576.jpg
>
> personally I like my cabinets a bit lighter in color, like maple or at
> least cherry, I wonder if I can preserve the cabinets but sand it down and
> restain it. Anyone familiar with this cabinet maker? It is worth to
> restore the cabinets or better to throw away and buy news ones?
>
> Outside the kitchen there is an outdoor BBQ grill with a huge commercial
> grade exhaust fan:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/OutdoorGrill.jpg
>
> Finally a puzzle for you:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000523.jpg
>
> Know what the emergency button is for?

It is for emergencies, of course. Hit the button and it should set off the
alarm and call the police it is tied in to a dialer.



>
> When you walk into the kitchem, below the vinyl floor is a rectangular
> weight sensor. If the alarm is on, your foot steps on this sensor, the
> plate sinks just enough to make contact and the alarm sounds. You arm and
> disarm using the key next to the emergency button. I have never seen 1970
> security. This is so weird. Of course we have no use for this now.

I've seen it on staircases frequently. Simple and not easily noticed. Not
good with pets though.


>
> I hope you enjoyed the tour, if you have any advise on what I should
> save/restore and what I should rip off and throw away, especially
> regarding the subzero refrigerator and cabinets, please let me know.

IMO, you have two ways to go. Either a full restoration to preserve the
era, or a complete tearout and start over with modern appliances. If you
end up with a mix, I think it will look rather klutzy and half done. There
are companies that can restore appliances, but it will cost more than a new
one. If you want to live in a museum, worth the money. If you want
practicality, tear it out.

If you put in new expensive countertops and then the old appliance dies, you
are left with a hole in an otherwise very nice countertop. I don't think
there was anything in that period of particular value of artistry or style
that makes is a "must have" like the Art Deco period.

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>
>>Above the trash compactor is an interesting food equipment, a flip up food
>>processor.
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000509.jpg
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000510.jpg
>>
>>Next to it there is an inwall pocket toaster:
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000514.jpg
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000515.jpg
>>
>>Should I keep these or throw them away?
>
>
> If they work, keep them for now, but if you are doing work around them, now
> is the time to toss them. If you refinish the counter or wall and it breaks
> a week later, you have a mess on your hands to repair. Back in the 70's,
> this was high style, Jetson-wise.
>
>
>
>
>>Opposite to the refrigerator is an inwall entertainment center:
>
>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000529.jpg
>>
>>What do I do with this, no more 8 track tapes!
>
>
> Time to say goodbye.
>
>
>
>
>>There is a double oven that does not work anymore:
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000570.jpg
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000572.jpg
>>
>>Thermatronic by Thermador? Who are they? I called some appliance guy out
>>and he says these are too old to even bother with. So far have had no
>>luck to get them repaired.
>
>
> Unless you can find the parts and do it yourself, you will be ot of luck.
> Time to update.
>
>
>>Now comes the siubzero refrigerator. It is a built-in unit and I read off
>>the door label it is a 3211RFD. The serial number is too old to be on
>>Subzero's own computer record but they told me it's about 30 years old and
>>they should still have parts for it.
>>
>>Here is the unit:
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000568.jpg
>
>
> Again, it was top quality in its day. It is probably using double or triple
> the power of a modern refrigerator though. And it lacks the features of
> most modern units also. Given the corrosion, I'd ditch it.
>
>
>
>
>>The kitchen cabinets are all solid wood, made by this company:
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000576.jpg
>>
>>personally I like my cabinets a bit lighter in color, like maple or at
>>least cherry, I wonder if I can preserve the cabinets but sand it down and
>>restain it. Anyone familiar with this cabinet maker? It is worth to
>>restore the cabinets or better to throw away and buy news ones?
>>
>>Outside the kitchen there is an outdoor BBQ grill with a huge commercial
>>grade exhaust fan:
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/OutdoorGrill.jpg
>>
>>Finally a puzzle for you:
>>
>> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000523.jpg
>>
>>Know what the emergency button is for?
>
>
> It is for emergencies, of course. Hit the button and it should set off the
> alarm and call the police it is tied in to a dialer.
>
>
>
>
>>When you walk into the kitchem, below the vinyl floor is a rectangular
>>weight sensor. If the alarm is on, your foot steps on this sensor, the
>>plate sinks just enough to make contact and the alarm sounds. You arm and
>>disarm using the key next to the emergency button. I have never seen 1970
>>security. This is so weird. Of course we have no use for this now.
>
>
> I've seen it on staircases frequently. Simple and not easily noticed. Not
> good with pets though.
>
>
>
>>I hope you enjoyed the tour, if you have any advise on what I should
>>save/restore and what I should rip off and throw away, especially
>>regarding the subzero refrigerator and cabinets, please let me know.
>
>
> IMO, you have two ways to go. Either a full restoration to preserve the
> era, or a complete tearout and start over with modern appliances. If you
> end up with a mix, I think it will look rather klutzy and half done. There
> are companies that can restore appliances, but it will cost more than a new
> one. If you want to live in a museum, worth the money. If you want
> practicality, tear it out.
>
> If you put in new expensive countertops and then the old appliance dies, you
> are left with a hole in an otherwise very nice countertop. I don't think
> there was anything in that period of particular value of artistry or style
> that makes is a "must have" like the Art Deco period.
>
>
I agree, my wife and I bought a home in 1990 that was built in 1974. Had
many of the features you mention only on the low dollar end instead of
high dollar. Over the last 17 years we have been slowly remodeling,
getting rid of the entire kitchen was done only about five years ago. I
moved the cabinets, all solid wood, out to the garage and put them back
up again. The old cabinets were a dark brown to match the dark brown
panelling in the kitchen and hallway. The new ones are a light oak and
lighten the room up considerably. All the old shag carpets came out and
were replaced with either laminate floors or ceramic tile (18 inch
square tile). The cheesy old panelling was removed and replaced with
sheetrock, textured, and painted a lighter color. The storeroom that
could only be entered from outside was converted into a pantry with wire
shelving to store my big pots, etc. About 30grand over a number of years
made it affordable and we did a lot of the work ourselves.

My attitude is if you don't like the looks of it change it over. And,
hey, we built our first house in 1965 so we know what seventies stuff
looks like. <VBG>

George

Re: An old kitchen in an old house


>
> I agree, my wife and I bought a home in 1990 that was built in 1974. Had
> many of the features you mention only on the low dollar end instead of
> high dollar. Over the last 17 years we have been slowly remodeling,
> getting rid of the entire kitchen was done only about five years ago. I
> moved the cabinets, all solid wood, out to the garage and put them back
> up again. The old cabinets were a dark brown to match the dark brown
> panelling in the kitchen and hallway. The new ones are a light oak and
> lighten the room up considerably. All the old shag carpets came out and
> were replaced with either laminate floors or ceramic tile (18 inch
> square tile). The cheesy old panelling was removed and replaced with
> sheetrock, textured, and painted a lighter color. The storeroom that
> could only be entered from outside was converted into a pantry with wire
> shelving to store my big pots, etc. About 30grand over a number of years
> made it affordable and we did a lot of the work ourselves.
>
> My attitude is if you don't like the looks of it change it over. And,
> hey, we built our first house in 1965 so we know what seventies stuff
> looks like. <VBG>
>
> George- Hide quoted text -

Just the opposite for me -- we bought a 70's house in 1993. The
kitchen had been remodeled in 1988; I thought the cabinets were solid
wood, but when they had to come out for a new vent and range, I found
they weren't solid. Make sure they're solid (you probably already
know for sure) and re-use them. This is the most valuable thing in
your kitchen IMO.

I cannot imagine a 70's house being in such disrepair. I hope the rest
of the house is not in a similar state. We recarpeted all of our
house other than the wood floors which were in good shape and we have
not had to do anything to them since we moved in. But we are not high-
traffic-shoes people.

Yes, start from scratch on your kitchen. Watch some kitchen shows on
the satellite networks. I think you're going to have to go for some
big bucks by the looks of the pictures if you don't start going to the
dumpster.

Dee

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail,com > wrote:
>I recently purchased an old house built in 1972 and everything is original.
>I am starting to figure what I need to do to the kitchen and need some
>advice.
>
> Let me take you on a tour.

A very interesting house. It's the sort of kitchen one with more money than
brains might build; someone that just has to have the lastest of everything.
This kitchen seems to have a boat load of them: food processor, microwave,
trash compactor, 8-track, etc. And all built in! Of course people are still
doing this kind of thing today around their house, so that mentality is not
just a 70's thing.

You could turn it into a museum, but I'd suspect it would take a huge amount
of money and many years to get everything into good working condition. In
the meantime, you wouldn't have a functional kitchen. I would tear it all
out, with the exception of the cabinets. If you do want to make an effort to
preserve some items, you might want to save them and offer them up for
collectors who might be trying to restore similar items. Often one can make
a working appliance by cannibalizing parts from several units. But it would
take a dedicated collector. I'm not sure how you locate the people that
might want the stuff though. People collect all kinds of stuff. I came
across a washing machine "museum" on the net some months ago, where a guy
collected something like 20 washing machines, most of which still worked. He
has videos on his web site showing the washing machines in operation. I
especially liked the Frigidaires from the late 1950s - early 1960s.

On the cabinets, if they are very solid and you wanted to go through the
trouble to refinish them, you can get a pretty nice result. The houses in my
neighborhood had similar dark wood cabinets installed back in 1973/74, when
I guess that color was popular. My next door neighbor refinished his, using
some kind of bleach to lighten them, and then putting a new clear finish on
them. It must be about 20 years now since he did that, and the cabinets
still look quite good now. For it to be worth the trouble, the cabinets do
have to be solid. All the drawer slides and such have to be in good
condition, along with all the door hinges.

I was somewhat amused by your term "old house"! My house was built in 1963.
There's one set of houses in my neighborhood built in 1793. There are whole
neighborhoods of houses in town from the 1860s-1890s period. In houses I've
lived in growing up, some of the ones were quite old: 1898, 1914, 1926. Now
those are old. From my personal perspective, any house newer than World War
II is not old.

If your username is any indication, you're coming from a Miami perspective.
My parents lived there for many years, and I know that most of the "very
old" houses (and other buildings) down there date to around the 1920s. Not
much from before that. My parents house was built in 1952, but there was a
scattering of houses in town (Miami Shores) that dated from the 1920s,
before the big real estate bust.

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

"MiamiCuse" <nmbexcuse@hotmail,com > wrote:
> The kitchen cabinets are all solid wood, made by this company:
>
> http :// i173.photobucket,com /albums/w67/143house/kitchen/P1000576.jpg
>
> personally I like my cabinets a bit lighter in color, like maple or at
> least cherry, I wonder if I can preserve the cabinets but sand it down and
> restain it. Anyone familiar with this cabinet maker? It is worth to
> restore the cabinets or better to throw away and buy news ones?

Just a followup on the cabinets. Coppes Nanapee did seem to be quite a
reputable cabinet maker, going back to 1873. They are apparently still in
business today, making custom cabinets. If you do a google search for coppes
nanapee cabinets, you'll get about 180 hits, including this one:

http :// www .amishacres,com /aa come visit/miscellaneous/hoosier cabinet museum.htm

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

MiamiCuse wrote:
> ...
> I hope you enjoyed the tour...

I did enjoy it. Thanks!

> ... if you have any advise on what I should
> save/restore and what I should rip off and throw away, especially regarding
> the subzero refrigerator and cabinets, please let me know.

First off, as wff_ng_7 said, Coppes Napanee was a very reputable cabinet
maker. My parents house (built in 1969) has a bunch of them, and they
still look like new. Quality cabinets are expensive. If you otherwise
like the style, definately investigate refinishing.

Going down the rest of your list:

- Trash compactor, dishwasher: Replace dishwasher. Use trash compactor
space for something useful.

- Built in food processor: Nutone used to make these too. If it works, and
you have the matching accessories, keep it. If you end up redoing the counter
tops and cabinets, it may need to disappear.

- Built-in toaster: Wow. That is so unusual it has to be a keeper (if it works).

- The Nutone entertainment center: That was Nutones top of the line in its
day. If the house has the whole intercom setup, I'd keep it all - even the
8-track. (Buy a few Elvis 8-track tapes on eBay for kicks.) But then,
I like quirky stuff. Maybe install an A/B switch in the low-level audio
lines between the 8-track and the main unit. Then you could plug your ipod
or MP3 player into it.

- J-A electric stove top: Ditch it for gas.

- J-A grill: My parents house has one of similar vintage. It still works and
is highly used. Hopefully you also have the matching griddle that lays in
place of the grates when needed. If it could be cleaned up, keep it. If not,
I think J-A still sells a version that might fit in the same spot. Or go
with Wolf or Gagg 'modular' units.

- Thermador ovens: Thermador is a very reputable appliance manufacturer.
However if they do not work, ditch them for new.

- Subzero: That corrosion looks bad. Sadly I think it needs to go.

- The 'outdoor' hood and grill: Hmm. That hood is ugly. But it appears that
it is really indoors. If so, you need a decent hood for that grill.

As an aside: With all the corrosion evident on the appliances, I'd have
an electrician go through the entire house and make sure the wiring, switches,
and outlets are clean. Check every J-box you can find.

W.

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On Feb 25, 12:53 am, Walter Spector <w6ws xthiso...@earthlink,net >
wrote:
> MiamiCuse wrote:
>
> - Use trash compactor
> space for something useful.

I thought of buying a wine cooler just for the trash compactor space.
I've since decided that the space would take 30 bottles -- not enough.
If you find anyother use for it, let us know.

>
> - Built in food processor: Nutone used to make these too. If it works, and
> you have the matching accessories, keep it. If you end up redoing the counter
> tops and cabinets, it may need to disappear.

Perhaps you might mean mixer? I think the first food processor WAS in
the mid 70's, so it could be a fp. Many think the 70's KitchenAid
MIXER was wonderful, but mine was not, so maybe Nutone is. I think it
depends on how and what one cooks as to whether it would be worth
keeping.


>
> - Built-in toaster: Wow. That is so unusual it has to be a keeper (if it works).


>
> - The Nutone entertainment center: That was Nutones top of the line in its
> day. If the house has the whole intercom setup, I'd keep it all - even the
> 8-track. (Buy a few Elvis 8-track tapes on eBay for kicks.) But then,
> I like quirky stuff. Maybe install an A/B switch in the low-level audio
> lines between the 8-track and the main unit. Then you could plug your ipod
> or MP3 player into it.

I have a Marantz receiver (large) bought in the 70's. I've tried
replacing it probably 10 times over the years, but never have I found
a sound to compare. Try yours out.
>
> - J-A electric stove top: Ditch it for gas.

Gas vs. electric, that's debatable :-))


>
> - Subzero: That corrosion looks bad. Sadly I think it needs to go.

I can't recall if it's built in -- mine is. If a house settles, or
has settled, I'm wondering if it can slide into the original space. I
don't know how expensive they are, but I sure like mine. I guess mine
(yours, too?) would have to be replaced with the same brand.


I saw pictures of some of the other parts of your house on rfc. I can
see the charm and allure, but I hope you are young, with a pocket full
of money and plenty of energy.

Dee

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On 25 Feb 2007 07:02:21 -0800, "Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel,net > wrote:

>I thought of buying a wine cooler just for the trash compactor space.
>I've since decided that the space would take 30 bottles -- not enough.

Wow, how much wine do you folks drink in a weekend? 8;)

Wine coolers are not supposed to be your primary wine storage, you know -- even
for whites and sparklers.

-- Larry

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On Feb 25, 12:32 pm, pltrgyst <pltrg...@spamlessxhost.org> wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2007 07:02:21 -0800, "Dee Dee" <deedo...@shentel,net > wrote:
>
> >I thought of buying a wine cooler just for the trash compactor space.
> >I've since decided that the space would take 30 bottles -- not enough.
>
> Wow, how much wine do you folks drink in a weekend? 8;)
>
> Wine coolers are not supposed to be your primary wine storage, you know -- even
> for whites and sparklers.
>
> -- Larry

For the big explanation as to why we considered to buy and then not to
buy an "only 30 bottles" cooler.
Let me see:
We do not usually keep over 40 bottles of wine; none of which do we
ever buy for "keeping." All but maybe 4-5 of these 30 are white. We
keep this many on hand because we 'don't want to run out on the
weekend.' :-))

If we bought a 30 bottle wine cooler, we might be tempted to 'keep'
some longer, and/but a wine cooler to keep 30 bottles in for a long
time is really not a big-enough cooler to do that.

We do keep our 30-bottle+ stash on the floor in a cool storage room,
which is cool enough for drinking red wines, so why did we even
consider the cooler in the first place? Just to use up the darned
trash-compactor space.

Did I say this before? Last Tuesday I got 3 temporary crowns on 3
front teeth - permanents ready in 1 month+.
One of the last things he said to me was: Drinking red wine will turn
your temporary crowns purple!

I haven't touched a red nor a white. Sherry is only for cooking. So
white, it will have to be if I want any. And I just can't drink beer
with an artsy movie.
Dee

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On 25 Feb 2007 11:14:44 -0800, "Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel,net > wrote:

>I haven't touched a red nor a white. Sherry is only for cooking. So
>white, it will have to be if I want any. And I just can't drink beer
>with an artsy movie.

Oh, sure you can -- try Chimay Grand Reserve (the blue label).

-- Larry

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On Feb 25, 3:58 pm, pltrgyst <pltrg...@spamlessxhost.org> wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2007 11:14:44 -0800, "Dee Dee" <deedo...@shentel,net > wrote:
>
> >I haven't touched a red nor a white. Sherry is only for cooking. So
> >white, it will have to be if I want any. And I just can't drink beer
> >with an artsy movie.
>
> Oh, sure you can -- try Chimay Grand Reserve (the blue label).
>
> -- Larry

Gracious!
Googled "CGR BL" - now that looks like a beer.
But it'll have to wait until we get to civilization again to find
it. Last time we bought Belgium beer, we bought them near New Haven,
CT. Maybe Total Wine and Beverage in Manassas might be a place to
look; I have to go there before I return to the dentist. It's on my
list. Thanks, for this information.

Happily,
Dee

Re: An old kitchen in an old house

On 25 Feb 2007 13:50:51 -0800, "Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel,net > wrote:

>> Oh, sure you can -- try Chimay Grand Reserve (the blue label).

>Googled "CGR BL" - now that looks like a beer.
> But it'll have to wait until we get to civilization again to find
>it. Last time we bought Belgium beer, we bought them near New Haven,
>CT. Maybe Total Wine and Beverage in Manassas might be a place to
>look; I have to go there before I return to the dentist. It's on my
>list. Thanks, for this information.

You're welcome. Any Total Wine should have it.

It's absolutely wonderful with pork dishes, Indian food, Chinese (other than
sweet & sour dishes), and semi-firm cheese like (obviously!) Chimay and Morbier.

-- Larry