Need Advice for Good Speakers

Need Advice for Good Speakers

Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great

Hi Friend,
Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/ and select the best stereo among the
wide varieties available on Online car parts store.

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

Here goes, my stock advice:

Listen to as many speakers you can with YOUR music. In other words, bring
an armload of discs into your local car audio retailer. Of all the stereo
components in your car, speakers vary the most when it comes to SQ and will
effect the quality of your msuic more than anything else. It is ALWAYS best
to listen first (even though a showroom IS NOT exactly like the inside of a
car).

I could give you the name of some good manufacturers like Morel, Dynaudio,
JL, Boston Accoustics, Polk, ect., but let me stress that these speakers are
good because they use high quality components and tend to last longer. How
they sound to you, however, is what REALLY matters. Also, some speakers
sound good with certain types of music (like classical and jazz for
instance) but don't sound so good with other types of music (rap and heavy
metal again for instance).

When it comes to speakers, unlike ANY other component, using your ears is
always the best strategy.

MOSFET
<garry.kelkar@googlemail,com > wrote in message
news:7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219ef1a@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
>> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
>> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
>> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
>> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
>> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
>> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
>> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> Hi Friend,
> Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/ and select the best stereo among the
> wide varieties available on Online car parts store.

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

On Jan 3, 8:11 pm, "MOSFET" <ntan...@wavecable,com > wrote:
> Here goes, my stock advice:
>
> Listen to as many speakers you can with YOUR music.  In other words, bring
> an armload of discs into your local car audio retailer.  Of all the stereo
> components in your car, speakers vary the most when it comes to SQ and will
> effect the quality of your msuic more than anything else.  It is ALWAYS best
> to listen first (even though a showroom IS NOT exactly like the inside of a
> car).
>
> I could give you the name of some good manufacturers like Morel, Dynaudio,
> JL, Boston Accoustics, Polk, ect., but let me stress that these speakers are
> good because they use high quality components and tend to last longer.  How
> they sound to you, however, is what REALLY matters.  Also, some speakers
> sound good with certain types of music (like classical and jazz for
> instance) but don't sound so good with other types of music (rap and heavy
> metal again for instance).
>
> When it comes to speakers, unlike ANY other component, using your ears is
> always the best strategy.
>
> MOSFET<garry.kel...@googlemail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219ef1a@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> > Hi Friend,
> > Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/and select the best stereo among the
> > wide varieties available on Online car parts store.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well thanks for the advice but i have already listened to lots of
speakers with my type of music. I just really want to know, and i
would prefre no flaming on any of these issues, what would you guys go
with. I figure my budget to be about 40 bucks for the 2 4's and then
80-100 for 6.5's. Again i just really want to know what you would
choose. My music is mostly rock and metal with lots of double bass
pedal. I have listened to Diamond, Infinity, Kicker. But i would be
open to more suggestions. I found a pair of pyramid 4's that are
triaxial on ebay the other day for cheap and almost bought the. The
one 6.5 i have right now is a very old Kicker and it sounds amazing
and puts out really good bass. Im not saying that i will be going with
Kicker mids just sayin. I will have 2 C12 Kickers in a ported box
picking up the low end and i will most likely be running all the mids
off a Pyramid EQ.

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Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

I have found (and I have listened to MANY different midbass and midrange
speakers over the years) that JL midbass (6.5", 6", or 5.25") speakers seem
to produce more and clearer midbass than any other brand, IMHO. I have used
high end MB Quart and Boston Accoustics in the past (all 6.5" midbass
drivers in the doors) and nothing even comes close to JL. If you are
looking for clean, punchy midbass, I would include JL on your list. Again,
that's just one guys opinion, please, no flaming.

As far as tweeter choices, again, I have been very impressed with JL's soft
dome tweeters. But on this subject, I am more open to other brands and have
heard a great many tweeters I have been impressed with. However, that being
said, I DO believe that (in general, of course, there are NO absolutes) in a
car textile dome tweeters sound better than metal dome tweeters. Again,
this advice is based on listening to countless different component sets and
I tend to always prefer those with silk or other types of textile tweeter as
oposed to titanium or aluminum. I find metal domes to be abrassive sounding
(esspecially after extended listening periods) and very forward sounding.
Now in a showroom, this might come off as sounding really good and
impressive (they CAN play VERY loud). But in a car where they might be
located three or four feet from your ears, and over an extended listening
period (like over 1/2 an hour), I was finding the titanium tweeters in my
old MB Quart Reference Pro series would start to fatigue my ears as they
sounded too "brassy" over time, but again, to an average consumer that same
sound might seem GREAT in a showroom. So it's important to remember that
how a speaker set sounds in a store is not how it will sound in your car.

These days, I use a pair of Infinity soft dome tweeters and I have NOTHING
but praise for these. I have been using them for about two years now and
still love them just as much as the day I installed them. For midbass, I
use ALL JL 6.5" in front and in the rear (however, in the rear I use no
tweeters). I bi-amp my fronts (I use one amp to power the JL's and another
to power the Infinity tweets), this way I do not have to use passive X-overs
(I use a total of four amps in my system, two for the front stage, one for
the rear fill, and a single Class D for the subs). Though some may
disagree, I believe avoiding running the speakers through passive components
(like a component set X-over) improves the sound, though, of course, it all
depends on the quality of the passive components.

Anyway, these are JUST my opinions based on my experience over the years.
But I am no audio engineer so take it for what it's worth.

MOSFET




<Huber55@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:6112d4a6-20af-441c-9e71-b5bee16d89b4@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
On Jan 3, 8:11 pm, "MOSFET" <ntan...@wavecable,com > wrote:
> Here goes, my stock advice:
>
> Listen to as many speakers you can with YOUR music. In other words, bring
> an armload of discs into your local car audio retailer. Of all the stereo
> components in your car, speakers vary the most when it comes to SQ and
> will
> effect the quality of your msuic more than anything else. It is ALWAYS
> best
> to listen first (even though a showroom IS NOT exactly like the inside of
> a
> car).
>
> I could give you the name of some good manufacturers like Morel, Dynaudio,
> JL, Boston Accoustics, Polk, ect., but let me stress that these speakers
> are
> good because they use high quality components and tend to last longer. How
> they sound to you, however, is what REALLY matters. Also, some speakers
> sound good with certain types of music (like classical and jazz for
> instance) but don't sound so good with other types of music (rap and heavy
> metal again for instance).
>
> When it comes to speakers, unlike ANY other component, using your ears is
> always the best strategy.
>
> MOSFET<garry.kel...@googlemail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219ef1a@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> > Hi Friend,
> > Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/and select the best stereo among the
> > wide varieties available on Online car parts store.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well thanks for the advice but i have already listened to lots of
speakers with my type of music. I just really want to know, and i
would prefre no flaming on any of these issues, what would you guys go
with. I figure my budget to be about 40 bucks for the 2 4's and then
80-100 for 6.5's. Again i just really want to know what you would
choose. My music is mostly rock and metal with lots of double bass
pedal. I have listened to Diamond, Infinity, Kicker. But i would be
open to more suggestions. I found a pair of pyramid 4's that are
triaxial on ebay the other day for cheap and almost bought the. The
one 6.5 i have right now is a very old Kicker and it sounds amazing
and puts out really good bass. Im not saying that i will be going with
Kicker mids just sayin. I will have 2 C12 Kickers in a ported box
picking up the low end and i will most likely be running all the mids
off a Pyramid EQ.

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

On Jan 7, 11:24 pm, "MOSFET" <ntan...@wavecable,com > wrote:
> I have found (and I have listened to MANY different midbass and midrange
> speakers over the years) that JL midbass (6.5", 6", or 5.25") speakers seem
> to produce more and clearer midbass than any other brand, IMHO.  I have used
> high end MB Quart and Boston Accoustics in the past (all 6.5" midbass
> drivers in the doors) and nothing even comes close to JL.  If you are
> looking for clean, punchy midbass, I would include JL on your list.  Again,
> that's just one guys opinion, please, no flaming.
>
> As far as tweeter choices, again, I have been very impressed with JL's soft
> dome tweeters.  But on this subject, I am more open to other brands and have
> heard a great many tweeters I have been impressed with.  However, that being
> said, I DO believe that (in general, of course, there are NO absolutes) in a
> car textile dome tweeters sound better than metal dome tweeters.  Again,
> this advice is based on listening to countless different component sets and
> I tend to always prefer those with silk or other types of textile tweeter as
> oposed to titanium or aluminum.  I find metal domes to be abrassive sounding
> (esspecially after extended listening periods) and very forward sounding.
> Now in a showroom, this might come off as sounding really good and
> impressive (they CAN play VERY loud).  But in a car where they might be
> located three or four feet from your ears, and over an extended listening
> period (like over 1/2 an hour), I was finding the titanium tweeters in my
> old MB Quart Reference Pro series would start to fatigue my ears as they
> sounded too "brassy" over time, but again, to an average consumer that same
> sound might seem GREAT in a showroom.  So it's important to remember that
> how a speaker set sounds in a store is not how it will sound in your car.
>
> These days, I use a pair of Infinity soft dome tweeters and I have NOTHING
> but praise for these.  I have been using them for about two years now and
> still love them just as much as the day I installed them.  For midbass, I
> use ALL JL 6.5" in front and in the rear (however, in the rear I use no
> tweeters).  I bi-amp my fronts (I use one amp to power the JL's and another
> to power the Infinity tweets), this way I do not have to use passive X-overs
> (I use a total of four amps in my system, two for the front stage, one for
> the rear fill, and a single Class D for the subs).  Though some may
> disagree, I believe avoiding running the speakers through passive components
> (like a component set X-over) improves the sound, though, of course, it all
> depends on the quality of the passive components.
>
> Anyway, these are JUST my opinions based on my experience over the years.
> But I am no audio engineer so take it for what it's worth.
>
> MOSFET
>
> <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:6112d4a6-20af-441c-9e71-b5bee16d89b4@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jan 3, 8:11 pm, "MOSFET" <ntan...@wavecable,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here goes, my stock advice:
>
> > Listen to as many speakers you can with YOUR music. In other words, bring
> > an armload of discs into your local car audio retailer. Of all the stereo
> > components in your car, speakers vary the most when it comes to SQ and
> > will
> > effect the quality of your msuic more than anything else. It is ALWAYS
> > best
> > to listen first (even though a showroom IS NOT exactly like the inside of
> > a
> > car).
>
> > I could give you the name of some good manufacturers like Morel, Dynaudio,
> > JL, Boston Accoustics, Polk, ect., but let me stress that these speakers
> > are
> > good because they use high quality components and tend to last longer. How
> > they sound to you, however, is what REALLY matters. Also, some speakers
> > sound good with certain types of music (like classical and jazz for
> > instance) but don't sound so good with other types of music (rap and heavy
> > metal again for instance).
>
> > When it comes to speakers, unlike ANY other component, using your ears is
> > always the best strategy.
>
> > MOSFET<garry.kel...@googlemail,com > wrote in message
>
> >news:7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219ef1a@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > > On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> > >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> > >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> > >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> > >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> > >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> > >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> > >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> > > Hi Friend,
> > > Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/andselect the best stereo among the
> > > wide varieties available on Online car parts store.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well thanks for the advice but i have already listened to lots of
> speakers with my type of music. I just really want to know, and i
> would prefre no flaming on any of these issues, what would you guys go
> with. I figure my budget to be about 40 bucks for the 2 4's and then
> 80-100 for 6.5's. Again i just really want to know what you would
> choose. My music is mostly rock and metal with lots of double bass
> pedal. I have listened to Diamond, Infinity, Kicker. But i would be
> open to more suggestions. I found a pair of pyramid 4's that are
> triaxial on ebay the other day for cheap and almost bought the. The
> one 6.5 i have right now is a very old Kicker and it sounds amazing
> and puts out really good bass. Im not saying that i will be going with
> Kicker mids just sayin. I will have 2 C12 Kickers in a ported box
> picking up the low end and i will most likely be running all the mids
> off a Pyramid EQ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I do agree with you on the textile tweeters over metal ones. I have
heard not heard a whole lot of speakers but the few i have heard are
the metal dome tweeters and to me they just dont sound all that
realistic at high power. But that is just my opinion. What is your
opinion on woofer matieral? The reason i ask is, and i realize that
this is not even close to being a fair comparrison, that i have two
Sony 5x7's with a plastic type woofer ( i wanna say propolyene, but i
could be wrong) and i have a very old Kicker 6.5 (again i realize that
there are two totally different woofer sizes here and one acts
completley different from the other) with a cloth type woofer and i
just love how the Kicker sounds; its nice and punchy and so far has
been able to handle gobs of power. The Sony's seem to just bottom out
and dont reproduce the drums or kick bass very well, i would like to
note that i do have these speakers running in series and the Kicker is
just by itself, so the Sony's are getting (in theory) half as much
power as the Kicker is. And i know Sony is like the plague with you
guys but i was dumb when i was younger and didnt know anything :) I
have thought, on many occasion on just going with 4 5" in. speakers in
the back, or if i could fit them all 4 6.5's

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

What is your
opinion on woofer matieral? The reason i ask is, and i realize that
this is not even close to being a fair comparrison, that i have two
Sony 5x7's with a plastic type woofer .......


There are many different types of material that manufactures use for woofer
cones, some use polypropolene (plastic), while others might use laminated
paper. JL has been using poly materials for years for their cones and they
build great subs. I use a pair of MTX 12" 7500's that use plastic cones and
they sound great (they really pound!!). I don't think there is any material
that is KING. It just needs to be light weight and strong. Any well
engineered sub should work fine, regardless of cone material.

My $.02,

MOSFET

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

In article <7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219ef1a@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >, garry.kelkar@googlemail,com wrote:
>On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
>> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
>> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
>> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
>> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
>> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
>> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
>> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
>Hi Friend,
>Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/ and select the best stereo among the
>wide varieties available on Online car parts store.

I would go much higher for a crossover. When you bounce, only the high
freqs above 2-3 kHz. will "only bounce" , at mid freqs. you get a mix of direct and reflected,
and response errors. You could try all the wayup to 500 Hz, but somewhere around 200 for the 12's
may be ideal. I guess your mixing up the overall imaging by using the 6.5's
in the back. I did something like that in the truck, but cut the response to the backs, not
by crossover, but by doping the cone so it lost response much above 1 kHz.
I'm guessing you going to use coaxial drivers so you can't do that.

greg

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

On Jan 4, 3:19 pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous,com (GregS) wrote:
> In article <7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219e...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >, garry.kel...@googlemail,com wrote:
>
> >On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> >Hi Friend,
> >Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/and select the best stereo among the
> >wide varieties available on Online car parts store.
>
> I would go much higher for a crossover. When you bounce, only the high
> freqs above 2-3 kHz. will "only bounce" , at mid freqs. you get a mix of direct and reflected,
> and response errors. You could try all the wayup to 500 Hz, but somewhere around 200 for the 12's
> may be ideal. I guess your mixing up the overall imaging by using the 6.5's
> in the back. I did something like that in the truck, but cut the response to the backs, not
> by crossover, but by doping the cone so it lost response much above 1 kHz.
> I'm guessing you going to use coaxial drivers so you can't do that.
>
> greg

Well i should first start off by saying that this is not going to be a
really high end system, the car is a junker and im just using it to
get through BUT i am young and i do know a fair share about car audio
and i would like to experiment with some stuff. If I am reading what
you posted right are you saying that i should get a crossover and that
only the signals in the high end (such as 2-3 kHz) will bounce off the
glass? I get what you mean about the mids mixing and having 2 5x7's
in the back along with the one 6.5 probably isnt helping much. I dont
know what you mean about going up to 200 (im assuming Hz) for the
subs, i was planning on just having them in a ported box and let them
fill out the low end. And what do you mean about 'doping' the cone.
And yes, all of the backs will be coaxial and the 4's will be two but
i thought about putting some good priced components in the doors as i
have never done that before. Any advice on that?

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

go around 50Hz on the subs( Most amps today have a built in crossover that
is adjustable anyway so you can play with it).......use speakers that you
can cross over seperatly.........(some coaxs can do that) and use at least
12db per octave crossovers. Listening to speakers in a showroom is very
close to worthless. Sounds like you are going for the cheap stuff, so do
some research and cross them over correctly. Or, if your like most kids
today it doesn't matter what it sounds like so just buy the most powerfull
amp you can find and big woofers in a big box. ;) Some trivia...Besides the
good sound quality of the system, I got 147 db out of 2 cerwin 12s in a
simple ported box that fit behind the seats of my extra cab pickup. That was
with an Orion amp (320 watts RMS). It suprized the hell out of me as well as
the judges :) Of coarse it was back in the day when you could turn off all
the other equipment and just run the subs with any CD (or cassette, yes it
was THAT long ago) you wanted during the SPL testing. Oh, and if its a
newer car some of them sound pretty damn good stock, but subs will help.


<Huber55@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:6ecdcada-0822-447d-afb0-5ede65543c4b@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
> On Jan 4, 3:19 pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous,com (GregS) wrote:
>> In article
>> <7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219e...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
>> garry.kel...@googlemail,com wrote:
>>
>> >On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
>> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
>> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
>> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
>> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
>> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
>> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
>> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>>
>> >Hi Friend,
>> >Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/and select the best stereo among the
>> >wide varieties available on Online car parts store.
>>
>> I would go much higher for a crossover. When you bounce, only the high
>> freqs above 2-3 kHz. will "only bounce" , at mid freqs. you get a mix of
>> direct and reflected,
>> and response errors. You could try all the wayup to 500 Hz, but somewhere
>> around 200 for the 12's
>> may be ideal. I guess your mixing up the overall imaging by using the
>> 6.5's
>> in the back. I did something like that in the truck, but cut the response
>> to the backs, not
>> by crossover, but by doping the cone so it lost response much above 1
>> kHz.
>> I'm guessing you going to use coaxial drivers so you can't do that.
>>
>> greg
>
> Well i should first start off by saying that this is not going to be a
> really high end system, the car is a junker and im just using it to
> get through BUT i am young and i do know a fair share about car audio
> and i would like to experiment with some stuff. If I am reading what
> you posted right are you saying that i should get a crossover and that
> only the signals in the high end (such as 2-3 kHz) will bounce off the
> glass? I get what you mean about the mids mixing and having 2 5x7's
> in the back along with the one 6.5 probably isnt helping much. I dont
> know what you mean about going up to 200 (im assuming Hz) for the
> subs, i was planning on just having them in a ported box and let them
> fill out the low end. And what do you mean about 'doping' the cone.
> And yes, all of the backs will be coaxial and the 4's will be two but
> i thought about putting some good priced components in the doors as i
> have never done that before. Any advice on that?

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

On Jan 4, 10:02 pm, "ScottM" <n...@no,com > wrote:
> go around 50Hz on the subs( Most amps today have a built in crossover that
> is adjustable anyway so you can play with it).......use speakers that you
> can cross over seperatly.........(some coaxs can do that) and use at least
> 12db per octave crossovers. Listening to speakers in a showroom is very
> close to worthless. Sounds like you are going for the cheap stuff, so do
> some research and cross them over correctly. Or, if your like most kids
> today it doesn't matter what it sounds like so just buy the most powerfull
> amp you can find and big woofers in a big box. ;) Some trivia...Besides the
> good sound quality of the system, I got 147 db out of 2 cerwin 12s in a
> simple ported box that fit behind the seats of my extra cab pickup. That was
> with an Orion amp (320 watts RMS). It suprized the hell out of me as well as
> the judges :) Of coarse it was back in the day when you could turn off all
> the other equipment and just run the subs with any CD (or cassette, yes it
> was THAT long ago) you wanted during the SPL testing. Oh, and if its a
> newer car some of them sound pretty damn good stock, but subs will help.
>
> <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:6ecdcada-0822-447d-afb0-5ede65543c4b@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > On Jan 4, 3:19 pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous,com (GregS) wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219e...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> >> garry.kel...@googlemail,com wrote:
>
> >> >On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> >> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> >> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> >> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> >> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> >> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> >> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> >> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> >> >Hi Friend,
> >> >Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/andselect the best stereo among the
> >> >wide varieties available on Online car parts store.
>
> >> I would go much higher for a crossover. When you bounce, only the high
> >> freqs above 2-3 kHz. will "only bounce" , at mid freqs. you get a mix of
> >> direct and reflected,
> >> and response errors. You could try all the wayup to 500 Hz, but somewhere
> >> around 200 for the 12's
> >> may be ideal. I guess your mixing up the overall imaging by using the
> >> 6.5's
> >> in the back. I did something like that in the truck, but cut the response
> >> to the backs, not
> >> by crossover, but by doping the cone so it lost response much above 1
> >> kHz.
> >> I'm guessing you going to use coaxial drivers so you can't do that.
>
> >> greg
>
> > Well i should first start off by saying that this is not going to be a
> > really high end system, the car is a junker and im just using it to
> > get through BUT i am young and i do know a fair share about car audio
> > and i would like to experiment with some stuff. If I am reading what
> > you posted right are you saying that i should get a crossover and that
> > only the signals in the high end (such as 2-3 kHz) will bounce off the
> > glass? I get what you mean about the mids mixing and having 2 5x7's
> > in the back along with the one 6.5 probably isnt helping much. I dont
> > know what you mean about going up to 200 (im assuming Hz) for the
> > subs, i was planning on just having them in a ported box and let them
> > fill out the low end. And what do you mean about 'doping' the cone.
> > And yes, all of the backs will be coaxial and the 4's will be two but
> > i thought about putting some good priced components in the doors as i
> > have never done that before. Any advice on that?

I ended up going with Lanzar i believe Highlights?? But anyways they
are 4" speakers with a silk dome tweeter and a butyl surround. For 40
bucks the speakers sound awesome, for 4's they put out pretty good
bass and the highs sound awesome and i havent heard a lick of
distortion yet. What do you guys think? Good buy?

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

In article <6ecdcada-0822-447d-afb0-5ede65543c4b@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com >, "Huber55@gmail,com " <Huber55@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Jan 4, 3:19 pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous,com (GregS) wrote:
>> In article
> <7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219e...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> garry.kel...@googlemail,com wrote:
>>
>> >On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
>> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
>> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
>> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
>> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
>> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
>> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
>> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>>
>> >Hi Friend,
>> >Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/and select the best stereo among the
>> >wide varieties available on Online car parts store.
>>
>> I would go much higher for a crossover. When you bounce, only the high
>> freqs above 2-3 kHz. will "only bounce" , at mid freqs. you get a mix of
> direct and reflected,
>> and response errors. You could try all the wayup to 500 Hz, but somewhere
> around 200 for the 12's
>> may be ideal. I guess your mixing up the overall imaging by using the 6.5's
>> in the back. I did something like that in the truck, but cut the response to
> the backs, not
>> by crossover, but by doping the cone so it lost response much above 1 kHz.
>> I'm guessing you going to use coaxial drivers so you can't do that.
>>
>> greg
>
>Well i should first start off by saying that this is not going to be a
>really high end system, the car is a junker and im just using it to
>get through BUT i am young and i do know a fair share about car audio
>and i would like to experiment with some stuff. If I am reading what
>you posted right are you saying that i should get a crossover and that
>only the signals in the high end (such as 2-3 kHz) will bounce off the
>glass? I get what you mean about the mids mixing and having 2 5x7's
>in the back along with the one 6.5 probably isnt helping much. I dont
>know what you mean about going up to 200 (im assuming Hz) for the
>subs, i was planning on just having them in a ported box and let them
>fill out the low end. And what do you mean about 'doping' the cone.
>And yes, all of the backs will be coaxial and the 4's will be two but
>i thought about putting some good priced components in the doors as i
>have never done that before. Any advice on that?

If you don't use any crossovers, you can try that. 4 inchers don't like bass.
You can try bass blockers. Typical speaker bass drivers in a box have a 500 Hz
typical crossover. Doping refers to adding mass and damping
to the cone.Thin paper cones can get cranky and shrilly 1-2 kHz without
proper control. For example, the 4X6 's in the back of my Dakota, I coated
the cones enough to whaere the higs are severly limited. I also coated
the OEM fronts as a matter of standard procedure with me, especially paper cones
and foam surround. They are still functioning after 14 years. Components in doors
need to be shielded from the elements, and always use damping material.
The only thing not OEM in the Dakota was the bass and tweeters. Two tweeters
on the pillers and one in the middle.

greg

Re: Need Advice for Good Speakers

On Jan 7, 7:28 am, zekfr...@zekfrivolous,com (GregS) wrote:
> In article <6ecdcada-0822-447d-afb0-5ede65543...@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com >, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 4, 3:19 pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous,com (GregS) wrote:
> >> In article
> > <7ef34886-4ec5-4608-8f77-063e2219e...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> > garry.kel...@googlemail,com wrote:
>
> >> >On 2 Jan, 16:18, "Hube...@gmail,com " <Hube...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >> >> Hey guys i just wanted to get some advice on some good 6.5 or 6 3/4
> >> >> in. speakers. These speakers will be hanging on a shelf in a hatchback
> >> >> in the back of the vehicle so the sound will be bouncing off glass. I
> >> >> am going to be putting in 2 12" subs (old Kickers) in the back in a
> >> >> sealed box so i dont need them to create a low end. Somewhere's in the
> >> >> area of 100hz and up would be nice. Also i need advice on good 4" ones
> >> >> to put in the front they will be in the dash and facing downwards but
> >> >> i also plan to put components in the doors. Any advice would be great
>
> >> >Hi Friend,
> >> >Visit http :// www .dcp-shop.co.uk/andselect the best stereo among the
> >> >wide varieties available on Online car parts store.
>
> >> I would go much higher for a crossover. When you bounce, only the high
> >> freqs above 2-3 kHz. will "only bounce" , at mid freqs. you get a mix of
> > direct and reflected,
> >> and response errors. You could try all the wayup to 500 Hz, but somewhere
> > around 200 for the 12's
> >> may be ideal. I guess your mixing up the overall imaging by using the 6.5's
> >> in the back. I did something like that in the truck, but cut the response to
> > the backs, not
> >> by crossover, but by doping the cone so it lost response much above 1 kHz.
> >> I'm guessing you going to use coaxial drivers so you can't do that.
>
> >> greg
>
> >Well i should first start off by saying that this is not going to be a
> >really high end system, the car is a junker and im just using it to
> >get through BUT i am young and i do know a fair share about car audio
> >and i would like to experiment with some stuff. If I am reading what
> >you posted right are you saying that i should get a crossover and that
> >only the signals in the high end (such as 2-3 kHz) will bounce off the
> >glass? I get what you mean about the mids mixing and having 2 5x7's
> >in the back along with the one 6.5 probably isnt helping much. I dont
> >know what you mean about going up to 200 (im assuming Hz) for the
> >subs, i was planning on just having them in a ported box and let them
> >fill out the low end. And what do you mean about 'doping' the cone.
> >And yes, all of the backs will be coaxial and the 4's will be two but
> >i thought about putting some good priced components in the doors as i
> >have never done that before. Any advice on that?
>
> If you don't use any crossovers, you can try that. 4 inchers don't like bass.
> You can try bass blockers. Typical speaker bass drivers in a box have a 500 Hz
> typical crossover. Doping refers to adding mass and damping
> to the cone.Thin paper cones can get cranky and shrilly 1-2 kHz without
> proper control. For example, the 4X6 's in the back of my Dakota, I coated
> the cones enough to whaere the higs are severly limited. I also coated
> the OEM fronts as a matter of standard procedure with me, especially paper cones
> and foam surround. They are still functioning after 14 years. Components in doors
> need to be shielded from the elements, and always use damping material.
> The only thing not OEM in the Dakota was the bass and tweeters. Two tweeters
> on the pillers and one in the middle.
>
> greg

Yes like i have posted before i plan to use a Pyramid EQ and just cut
out all of the low end to all of the mids. A friend of mine is letting
me borrow a RF P1 in a sealed box for awhile and that will be plenty
of low end for my little hatchback. I was just wondering if you guys
have heard anything good or bad about these Lanzars.