[Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

jim menning wrote:
> "WindsorFox" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox,net > wrote in message
> news:SSSNh.30279$zJ1.23341@newsfe24.lga...
>> PeterD wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:26:09 -0500, John Byrns <byrnsj@sbcglobal,net >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not permitted on
>>>> this news group? I suggest you familiarize yourself with the charter for this
>>>> group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" here:
>>>>
>>>> http :// fmamradios,com /CFV-rar+p.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You may want to check eBays TOS and rules about spamming Usenet, and
>>> the fact it is *NOT* allowed.
>>
>> You may want to check the definition of "spam."
>
> You may want to check eBay's definition of spam. That's the one that counts. But
> it's not relevant here anyway.
>
> The eBay rules regarding Usenet posting is not their spam policy, it's their Usenet
> Policy.
>
> http :// pages.ebay,com /help/usenet policy.html
>
>
>


I am an eBay user, so I've read it. The only thing that eBay will
be worried about is if it is abuse, spam is abuse, an ad placed in a
group that does not allow ads is not spam, but is abuse. But one will
have to prove said abuse ie: provide them a copy of the FAQ/charter and
it will be required for a number of people to complain. One or two
complaints will not get an account actioned since we all know there is
always someone who is displeased by most anything anyone says.

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

jim menning wrote:

> The eBay rules regarding Usenet posting is not their spam policy, it's their Usenet
> Policy.
>
> http :// pages.ebay,com /help/usenet policy.html
>
>
>


Oh yeah, if you advertise your eBay auction from a disassociated web
portal and do not indicate in the post that it is *your* ad; a million
complaints could roll in and nothing will happen. "Please note that we
can only take action in cases where it is clear that an eBay member has
posted to the Usenet inappropriately."

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

On Mar 25, 10:26�am, John Byrns <byr...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> On what authority do you say that mention of eBay auctions is not
> permitted on this news group?  I suggest you familiarize yourself with
> the charter for this group, you can find a copy in the "CFV" here:
>
> http :// fmamradios,com /CFV-rar+p.txt
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns
>
> In article <4605F6AE.F770C...@earthlink,net >,
>  "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink,net > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Path:
> > newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-p­as!
> > newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000hsf.goo­gle
> > groups,com !not-for-mail
> > From: procl...@yahoo,com
> > Newsgroups:
> > rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
> > Subject: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
> > 300093857630
> > Date: 24 Mar 2007 21:01:35 -0700
> > Organization: http :// groups.google,com
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> > Xref: news.earthlink,net rec.audio.tubes:325953
> > rec.audio.marketplace:537230 rec.antiques.radio+phono:464131
> > X-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:01:37 PST
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>
> > Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8
> >    Item number: 300093857630
>
> > Ships to:  Worldwide
> > Item location:     Oakland, CA, United States
> > History:   3 bids
> > High bidder:       philiptube8888( 234Feedback score is 100 to 499)
> > You can also:
> >    Get alerts via Text message, IM or Cell phone
> > Email to a friend
> > Listing and payment details:  HideShow
>
> > Starting time:     Mar-21-07 10:19:38 PDT
> > Starting bid:      US $9.99
> > Duration:  7-day listing
>
> > Meet the seller
> > Seller:    audio.hut( 9 )
> > Feedback:  100% Positive
>
> > Offered for sale is a wonderful pair (two pieces) of vintage McIntosh
> > C8 mono preamplifiers (Record Compensator), each uses 3 pieces of
> > 12AX7 tubes. The one in wood cabinet is in gorgeous condition inside
> > and out. The faceplate is particularly clean and shiny; case is in
> > excellent shape too. Some scratches on the wood cabinet. The second
> > one is not in wood cabinet; not as good as the first one but quite
> > decent too. The pictures show some white stuff on some knobs of the
> > 2nd preamp. That is just kind of chalk, and can be cleaned easily.
>
> > All knobs are original. Tubes are mix of makes.
>
> > These preamps draw power from Mac power amps. The power cords
> > (unbelievably thick) for that purpose are included. There is another
> > AC power cord that powers the AC sockets in the back. One is good and
> > the other one is essentially all gone. I am selling them untested, and
> > in "as is" condition.
>
> > Personal check or money order. No Paypal. Some recent buyers won my
> > listings and forced me to use Paypal. Please, if you intend to use
> > Paypal only, do no bid on my listings.
> >            Select a picture
> > Larger Picture
>
> > 00282
> > The power of protection from AOL and eBay. Learn more
> > Questions from other members
> > Question & Answer      Answered On
> > Q:         did you not sell this pair a few days ago? i bid in them and lost.
> > the picture looks the same? is this an error listing?      Mar-21-07
> > A:         The winning bidder from Korea has not made payment, and looks
> > like he simply disappeared after the only email from him. So, I have
> > to re-list the same...more
> > Ask seller a question
>
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CHARTER

Discussion of the use, repair, and collecting of early standard-
broadcast
radios, phonographs, and any other similarly-related items designed
for home
entertainment sound receiving or sound reproduction.

pretty self expanatory.

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Path:
> newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000hsf.googlegroups,com !not-for-mail
> From: proclou4@yahoo,com
> Newsgroups:
> rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono



Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox <windsorfo...@SPAMcox,net > wrote:
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Path:
> > newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-p­as!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000hsf.­googlegroups,com !not-for-mail
> > From: procl...@yahoo,com
> > Newsgroups:
> > rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
>
> Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?

The original post never made it to Google PERIOD

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

In article <1174847083.490111.42200@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
"thisjukeboxplays33rpm" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo,com > wrote:

> On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox <windsorfo...@SPAMcox,net > wrote:
> > Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > > This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Path:
> > > newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-
> > > p­as!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000h
> > > sf.­googlegroups,com !not-for-mail
> > > From: procl...@yahoo,com
> > > Newsgroups:
> > > rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
> >
> > Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?
>
> The original post never made it to Google PERIOD

Sure it did, forget the "PERIOD", try here:

http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/msg/ad2ab09d12fa5
3ee?dmode=source&hl=en


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http :// fmamradios,com /

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

On Mar 25, 3:01=EF=BF=BDpm, John Byrns <byr...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> In article <1174847083.490111.42...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> =A0"thisjukeboxplays33rpm" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> > On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox <windsorfo...@SPAMcox,net > wrote:
> > > Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > > > This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
>
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Path:
> > > > newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !el=
nk-nf2-
> > > > p=ADas!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !=
y66g2000h
> > > > sf.=ADgooglegroups,com !not-for-mail
> > > > From: procl...@yahoo,com
> > > > Newsgroups:
> > > > rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
>
> > > =A0 =A0 Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refe=
r?
>
> > The original post never made it to Google PERIOD
>
> Sure it did, forget the "PERIOD", try here:
>
> http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/msg/ad2ab09d1...
> 3ee?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns
>
> --
> Surf my web pages at, =A0 http :// fmamradios,com /- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
entire ad. wonderful.

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

Eddie Brimer wrote:
>
> On Mar 25, 3:01�pm, John Byrns <byr...@sbcglobal,net > wrote:
> > In article <1174847083.490111.42...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "thisjukeboxplays33rpm" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> > > On Mar 25, 10:43 am, WindsorFox <windsorfo...@SPAMcox,net > wrote:
> > > > Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > > > > This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
> >
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Path:
> > > > > newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-
> > > > > p­as!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000h
> > > > > sf.­googlegroups,com !not-for-mail
> > > > > From: procl...@yahoo,com
> > > > > Newsgroups:
> > > > > rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
> >
> > > > Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?
> >
> > > The original post never made it to Google PERIOD
> >
> > Sure it did, forget the "PERIOD", try here:
> >
> > http :// groups.google,com /group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/msg/ad2ab09d1...
> > 3ee?dmode=source&hl=en
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Byrns
> >
> > --
> > Surf my web pages at, http :// fmamradios,com /- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
> entire ad. wonderful.


I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes Excellent C-8 300093857630]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

>>> - Show quoted text -
>> yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
>> entire ad. wonderful.
>
>
> I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.
>
>

Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
reporting your own abuse as well?

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes ExcellentC-8 300093857630]

WindsorFox wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
> >> entire ad. wonderful.
> >
> >
> > I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.
> >
> >
>
> Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
> commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
> the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
> In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
> is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
> antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
> private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
> I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
> reporting your own abuse as well?

The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
spam.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes ExcellentC-8 300093857630]

In article <4607FE04.78DB8E@earthlink,net >,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink,net > wrote:

> WindsorFox wrote:
> >
> > Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
> > >> yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
> > >> entire ad. wonderful.
> > >
> > > I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.
> >
> > Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
> > commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
> > the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
> > In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
> > is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
> > antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
> > private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
> > I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
> > reporting your own abuse as well?
>
> The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
> spam.

Then all the posts that we see here from Mark, Gary, and Bill are also
"spam". I guess it is time to run them off!


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http :// fmamradios,com /

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes ExcellentC-8 300093857630]

John Byrns wrote:
> In article <4607FE04.78DB8E@earthlink,net >,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink,net > wrote:
>
>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
>>>>> entire ad. wonderful.
>>>> I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.
>>> Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
>>> commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
>>> the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
>>> In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
>>> is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
>>> antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
>>> private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
>>> I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
>>> reporting your own abuse as well?
>> The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
>> spam.
>
> Then all the posts that we see here from Mark, Gary, and Bill are also
> "spam". I guess it is time to run them off!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns
>

People like Mike Terrell are the reason it takes at least several
complaints before an abuse desk will even start to consider it as abuse.
If anyone so desires I can get an actual abuse rep to weigh in on this,
but I know how it would be handled at $(day job) even though I am not
the actual handler.

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes ExcellentC-8 300093857630]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> WindsorFox wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> yep. he was good enough not to only post a link, he cut and pasted the
>>>> entire ad. wonderful.
>>>
>>> I reported the spam and posted it to the newsgroups at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>> Number one, it's not spam. It's not "mass or bulk." It's not
>> commercial, it's a private eBay auction. It might be abuse depending on
>> the group, but where I am in rec.audio.marketplace it certainly isn't.
>> In rec.audio.tubes it is not uncommon to see a FS or FA ad as long as it
>> is a private person, not a commercial ad. And lastly as far as the
>> antique radio group, it's on topic there and I would imagine that
>> private, non-commercial ads grace that group from time to time as well,
>> I've not read the charter or FAQs for that group. So, will you be
>> reporting your own abuse as well?
>
> The OP stands to profit from the sale. That is commercial. It is
> spam.
>
>


Wrong. You are welcome to your opinion, but as far as Usenet abuse,
you are, as afore mentioned; incorrect. Move along...

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes ExcellentC-8 300093857630]

WindsorFox wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Path:
> > newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000hsf.googlegroups,com !not-for-mail
> > From: proclou4@yahoo,com
> > Newsgroups:
> > rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
>
> Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?


Gee, is it really that hard to figure out? If you can't figure it
out ask nicely, and I'll tell you.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Re: [Fwd: FA: Pair McIntosh C8 Mono Preamp 12AX7 Tubes ExcellentC-8 300093857630]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> WindsorFox wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> This is not a "For sale" newsgroup, nor are Ebay auctions permitted.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Path:
>>> newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink,net !stamper.news.pas.earthlink,net !elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink,net !newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google,com !y66g2000hsf.googlegroups,com !not-for-mail
>>> From: proclou4@yahoo,com
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.antiques.radio+phono
>> Exactly to which of the three cross posted groups do you refer?
>
>
> Gee, is it really that hard to figure out? If you can't figure it
> out ask nicely, and I'll tell you.
>
>

It appears that even you do not know.