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Micrphone recomendatios sought
Your advice would be appreciated: I plan to commence recording some
meetings. The meetings will consist of singing accompanied by piano
followed by a talk. The recording device will be a Del Latitude fed
from a Behringer 1204 thru a UCA202.
Thus far every microphone I have plugged into the Behringer gives,
insufficient signal. With the faders at max I seem to barely have
enough sound.
At this point I am thinking of three mic.'s I could go to four if
that would be better.
Thanks
Adrian
Your advice would be appreciated: I plan to commence recording some
meetings. The meetings will consist of singing accompanied by piano
followed by a talk. The recording device will be a Del Latitude fed
from a Behringer 1204 thru a UCA202.
Thus far every microphone I have plugged into the Behringer gives,
insufficient signal. With the faders at max I seem to barely have
enough sound.
At this point I am thinking of three mic.'s I could go to four if
that would be better.
Thanks
Adrian
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
"Adrian" wrote ...
> Your advice would be appreciated: I plan to commence
> recording some meetings.
Are these meetings using some sort of sound reinforcement
(PA) system already? i.e. can you tap into an existing setup,
or do you have to roll your own?
> The meetings will consist of singing accompanied by piano
> followed by a talk.
Is the piano player doing the singing?
Is the lecturer doing the singing (or in the same place)?
Or do you need separate mics for:
piano, singer, and lecturer?
> The recording device will be a Del Latitude fed
> from a Behringer 1204 thru a UCA202.
There appears to be more than one mixer called
"1204" One of them has built-in USB. Exactly
which one are you asking about?
> Thus far every microphone
What microphone(s) would that be?
> I have plugged into the Behringer
Assuming you mean the 1204 and not the UCA202?
> gives, insufficient signal.
How are you measuring "insufficient signal"?
In the recorded computer file?
At the computer recording application input?
At the mixer LED level meter?
> With the faders at max I seem to barely have
> enough sound.
What does "enough sound" mean?
Are you using mics that require phantom power?
Is the phantom power turned on?
Do you have the microphones plugged into the XLR inputs?
Where do you have the gain knobs set?
Does the mixer, etc. produce "enough sound" with
any other input?
> At this point I am thinking of three mic.'s I could go
> to four if that would be better.
What would the fourth mic be used for?
Typically, fewer mics are better. For any
number of reasons.
"Adrian" wrote ...
> Your advice would be appreciated: I plan to commence
> recording some meetings.
Are these meetings using some sort of sound reinforcement
(PA) system already? i.e. can you tap into an existing setup,
or do you have to roll your own?
> The meetings will consist of singing accompanied by piano
> followed by a talk.
Is the piano player doing the singing?
Is the lecturer doing the singing (or in the same place)?
Or do you need separate mics for:
piano, singer, and lecturer?
> The recording device will be a Del Latitude fed
> from a Behringer 1204 thru a UCA202.
There appears to be more than one mixer called
"1204" One of them has built-in USB. Exactly
which one are you asking about?
> Thus far every microphone
What microphone(s) would that be?
> I have plugged into the Behringer
Assuming you mean the 1204 and not the UCA202?
> gives, insufficient signal.
How are you measuring "insufficient signal"?
In the recorded computer file?
At the computer recording application input?
At the mixer LED level meter?
> With the faders at max I seem to barely have
> enough sound.
What does "enough sound" mean?
Are you using mics that require phantom power?
Is the phantom power turned on?
Do you have the microphones plugged into the XLR inputs?
Where do you have the gain knobs set?
Does the mixer, etc. produce "enough sound" with
any other input?
> At this point I am thinking of three mic.'s I could go
> to four if that would be better.
What would the fourth mic be used for?
Typically, fewer mics are better. For any
number of reasons.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
"Adrian" <adrian_h_hudson@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:2d4a4ea8-f063-4d08-8be4-97c40cc017a6@e23g2000prf.googlegroups,com
> Your advice would be appreciated: I plan to commence
> recording some meetings. The meetings will consist of
> singing accompanied by piano followed by a talk. The
> recording device will be a Del Latitude fed from a
> Behringer 1204 thru a UCA202.
> Thus far every microphone I have plugged into the
> Behringer gives, insufficient signal. With the faders at
> max I seem to barely have enough sound.
Have you adjusted the "trim" control for each microphone input to maximum?
> At this point I am thinking of three mic.'s I could go
> to four if that would be better.
Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt, turn it
on.
Are the channel mute buttons off (not pushed in)?
How are you monitoring the output of the mixer?
Usually, I set up a mixer like this so that it is giving a reasonble output
to a pair of headphones, and then start recording.
"Adrian" <adrian_h_hudson@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:2d4a4ea8-f063-4d08-8be4-97c40cc017a6@e23g2000prf.googlegroups,com
> Your advice would be appreciated: I plan to commence
> recording some meetings. The meetings will consist of
> singing accompanied by piano followed by a talk. The
> recording device will be a Del Latitude fed from a
> Behringer 1204 thru a UCA202.
> Thus far every microphone I have plugged into the
> Behringer gives, insufficient signal. With the faders at
> max I seem to barely have enough sound.
Have you adjusted the "trim" control for each microphone input to maximum?
> At this point I am thinking of three mic.'s I could go
> to four if that would be better.
Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt, turn it
on.
Are the channel mute buttons off (not pushed in)?
How are you monitoring the output of the mixer?
Usually, I set up a mixer like this so that it is giving a reasonble output
to a pair of headphones, and then start recording.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
Arny Krueger wrote:
> Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt, turn it
> on.
Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
Fortunately the mic also takes an AA cell, so it's not a complete loss.
Who's responsible for that engineering disaster, I don't know. Behringer
or Rode.
That said, the mic works fine in the remaining mixer with the AA cell.
You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do seem to be
really quiet so you can do that.
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Arny Krueger wrote:
> Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt, turn it
> on.
Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
Fortunately the mic also takes an AA cell, so it's not a complete loss.
Who's responsible for that engineering disaster, I don't know. Behringer
or Rode.
That said, the mic works fine in the remaining mixer with the AA cell.
You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do seem to be
really quiet so you can do that.
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:05:47 -0500, Ron Hardin
<rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
>Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
>
>In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
>power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
Where on earth did you pick up that little urban legend? You can dead
short a behringer preamp without damage - as you probably can any pre.
They are current-limited by a pair of 6.2k resistors, so it would take
some extraordinary feat of engineering incompetence to make them
susceptible.
d
--
Pearce Consulting
http :// www .pearce.uk,com
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:05:47 -0500, Ron Hardin
<rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
>Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
>
>In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
>power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
Where on earth did you pick up that little urban legend? You can dead
short a behringer preamp without damage - as you probably can any pre.
They are current-limited by a pair of 6.2k resistors, so it would take
some extraordinary feat of engineering incompetence to make them
susceptible.
d
--
Pearce Consulting
http :// www .pearce.uk,com
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
Don Pearce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:05:47 -0500, Ron Hardin
> <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
>
> >Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
> >
> >In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
> >power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
>
> Where on earth did you pick up that little urban legend? You can dead
> short a behringer preamp without damage - as you probably can any pre.
> They are current-limited by a pair of 6.2k resistors, so it would take
> some extraordinary feat of engineering incompetence to make them
> susceptible.
I just report. It destroyed two mixers, MX802A's. The mic didn't
work on phantom power, and the phantom power light no longer came on
when you flipped it on afterwards.
``destroyed'' means only that phantom power no longer works.
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Don Pearce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:05:47 -0500, Ron Hardin
> <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
>
> >Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
> >
> >In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
> >power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
>
> Where on earth did you pick up that little urban legend? You can dead
> short a behringer preamp without damage - as you probably can any pre.
> They are current-limited by a pair of 6.2k resistors, so it would take
> some extraordinary feat of engineering incompetence to make them
> susceptible.
I just report. It destroyed two mixers, MX802A's. The mic didn't
work on phantom power, and the phantom power light no longer came on
when you flipped it on afterwards.
``destroyed'' means only that phantom power no longer works.
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
"Ron Hardin" wrote ...
> I just report. It destroyed two mixers, MX802A's. The mic
> didn't work on phantom power, and the phantom power
> light no longer came on when you flipped it on afterwards.
That story is just not credible without a first-hand reference.
"Ron Hardin" wrote ...
> I just report. It destroyed two mixers, MX802A's. The mic
> didn't work on phantom power, and the phantom power
> light no longer came on when you flipped it on afterwards.
That story is just not credible without a first-hand reference.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
In article <47CD573B.2C7A@mindspring,com >,
Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> > Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt,
> > turn it on.
> Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
> In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
> power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
The specification for phantom allows you to short out an input completely
without effecting others. There are current limiting resistors supplying
the volts to each input. Anything else would be a nonsense.
> Fortunately the mic also takes an AA cell, so it's not a complete loss.
> Who's responsible for that engineering disaster, I don't know. Behringer
> or Rode.
More likely finger problems.
> That said, the mic works fine in the remaining mixer with the AA cell.
> You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
Eh?
--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
In article <47CD573B.2C7A@mindspring,com >,
Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> > Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt,
> > turn it on.
> Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.
> In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
> power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
The specification for phantom allows you to short out an input completely
without effecting others. There are current limiting resistors supplying
the volts to each input. Anything else would be a nonsense.
> Fortunately the mic also takes an AA cell, so it's not a complete loss.
> Who's responsible for that engineering disaster, I don't know. Behringer
> or Rode.
More likely finger problems.
> That said, the mic works fine in the remaining mixer with the AA cell.
> You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
Eh?
--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> > seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
>
> Eh?
Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> > seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
>
> Eh?
Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
Ron Hardin wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
>>> seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
>> Eh?
>
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
>
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
I can't think of a single case where this would be necessary, still less
advisable. You would certainly end up with a poor S/N ratio.
Cheers
Ian
Ron Hardin wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
>>> seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
>> Eh?
>
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
>
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
I can't think of a single case where this would be necessary, still less
advisable. You would certainly end up with a poor S/N ratio.
Cheers
Ian
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
Ron Hardin wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
>>> seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
>> Eh?
>
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
>
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
You 'can' do that, but unless there is something wrong with either the
mixer or the mic, there is not a reason in the world that one mixer
wouldn't be enough.
If there's not enough gain, then something's wrong and needs to be
fixed. (That 'something' might lie somewhere between the ears of the
operator.)
Period.
jak
Ron Hardin wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
>>> seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
>> Eh?
>
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
>
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
You 'can' do that, but unless there is something wrong with either the
mixer or the mic, there is not a reason in the world that one mixer
wouldn't be enough.
If there's not enough gain, then something's wrong and needs to be
fixed. (That 'something' might lie somewhere between the ears of the
operator.)
Period.
jak
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
In article <47CD7ECF.376E@mindspring,com >,
Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They
> > > do seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
> >
> > Eh?
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
I don't think I've ever come across a mixer with phantom power - and using
a phantom powered mic - which has run out of gain.
Sounds like you've had a few nasties you've not sorted.
--
*If we weren't meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
In article <47CD7ECF.376E@mindspring,com >,
Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They
> > > do seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
> >
> > Eh?
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
I don't think I've ever come across a mixer with phantom power - and using
a phantom powered mic - which has run out of gain.
Sounds like you've had a few nasties you've not sorted.
--
*If we weren't meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
In article <47CD7ECF.376E@mindspring,com >,
Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> > > seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
> >
> > Eh?
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
What were you doing with it?
--
*Forget about World Peace...Visualize using your turn signal.
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
In article <47CD7ECF.376E@mindspring,com >,
Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> > > seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
> >
> > Eh?
> Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
> The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
What were you doing with it?
--
*Forget about World Peace...Visualize using your turn signal.
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> In article <47CD7ECF.376E@mindspring,com >,
> Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> > Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> > > > seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
> > >
> > > Eh?
>
> > Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
>
> > The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
>
> What were you doing with it?
Backyard bird microphone, balanced feed to Behringer UB1204, thence
to a Behringer MX802A in the other room, back through the first
UB1204 again and thence to a FM transmitter.
The noise level at the first mixer is what matters.
(Lots of radio gear in the other room, lots of computer gear in
this room, and a cow-path audio topology developed over the years between
them.)
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> In article <47CD7ECF.376E@mindspring,com >,
> Ron Hardin <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote:
> > Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > > You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
> > > > seem to be really quiet so you can do that.
> > >
> > > Eh?
>
> > Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.
>
> > The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
>
> What were you doing with it?
Backyard bird microphone, balanced feed to Behringer UB1204, thence
to a Behringer MX802A in the other room, back through the first
UB1204 again and thence to a FM transmitter.
The noise level at the first mixer is what matters.
(Lots of radio gear in the other room, lots of computer gear in
this room, and a cow-path audio topology developed over the years between
them.)
--
rhhardin@mindspring,com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
Re: Micrphone recomendatios sought
"Ron Hardin" <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote in message
news:47CD573B.2C7A@mindspring,com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on?
>> If in doubt, turn it on.
> Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer
> mixers.
Exceedingly unlikely.
> In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom
> power the phantom power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
Exceedingly unlikely.
I do believe that it is possible that someone, one time, plugged a NTG-2
into a Behringer mixer and coincidentally, the phantom power supply in that
mixer went out.
"Ron Hardin" <rhhardin@mindspring,com > wrote in message
news:47CD573B.2C7A@mindspring,com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on?
>> If in doubt, turn it on.
> Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer
> mixers.
Exceedingly unlikely.
> In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom
> power the phantom power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.
Exceedingly unlikely.
I do believe that it is possible that someone, one time, plugged a NTG-2
into a Behringer mixer and coincidentally, the phantom power supply in that
mixer went out.
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