Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!

My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.

This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
strong. I have the gain on the USB Phono turned to the max. But, the
meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
at least 3dB more.

Do you have any thoughts on what is "wrong"? And, what can I do about
it? You guys have given me great advice in the past.
Many thanks

Adrian

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian <adrian_h_hudson@yahoo . com > writes:

> Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
> copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>
> My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
> Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
> D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.

That's a moving coil cartridge. They're generally lower output that
moving magnet cartridges.

If I had to guess, without doing too much research for you, I'd wager
that the USB PHono Plus was designed with MMC's in mind, and not the
small output MCC that you have.


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Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Dec 10, 1:01 pm, bmia...@toddh . net (Todd H.) wrote:
> Adrian <adrian h hud...@yahoo . com > writes:
> > Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
> > copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>
> > My equipment is aDenonDP-35F Turntable with aDenonDL-300
> > Cartridge, a New ART "USBPhono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
> > D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.
>
> That's a moving coil cartridge. They're generally lower output that
> moving magnet cartridges.
>
> If I had to guess, without doing too much research for you, I'd wager
> that theUSBPHono Plus was designed with MMC's in mind, and not the
> small output MCC that you have.
>
> --
That seems to be the consensus. Does anyone have a recomentation for
a more appropriate cartridge.

Thanks

Adrian

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:11:02 -0800, Adrian wrote:

> That seems to be the consensus. Does anyone have a recomentation for a
> more appropriate cartridge.

Audio Technica AT95. If you can still get them.

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian wrote:
> Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
> copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>
> My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
> Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
> D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.
>
> This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
> strong. I have the gain on the USB Phono turned to the max. But, the
> meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
> the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
> at least 3dB more.
>
> Do you have any thoughts on what is "wrong"? And, what can I do about
> it? You guys have given me great advice in the past.
> Many thanks

You need the transformer that (maybe) comes with your cartridge, or a phono
preamp with a specialised MC (Moving Coil) input. Your MC cartridge has a
very low output compared the the more usual MM (Moving Magnet) cartridges -
I doubt a USB phono interface would sport this.


geoff.

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Dec 10, 1:21 pm, "geoff" <ge...@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote:
> Adrian wrote:
> > Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
> > copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>
> > My equipment is aDenonDP-35F Turntable with aDenonDL-300
> > Cartridge, a New ART "USBPhono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
> > D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.
>
> > This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
> > strong. I have the gain on theUSBPhono turned to the max. But, the
> > meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
> > the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
> > at least 3dB more.
>
> > Do you have any thoughts on what is "wrong"? And, what can I do about
> > it? You guys have given me great advice in the past.
> > Many thanks
>
> You need the transformer that (maybe) comes with your cartridge, or a phono
> preamp with a specialised MC (Moving Coil) input. Your MC cartridge has a
> very low output compared the the more usual MM (Moving Magnet) cartridges -
> I doubt aUSBphono interface would sport this.
>
> geoff.

So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.

Thanks for helping.

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian wrote:

> So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.
>
> Thanks for helping.

MC cartridges often offer benefits over MC. Why not buy a phono preamp with
a MC/MM switch ? Probably a cheaper option.

geoff

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

"geoff" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
news:XO2dnV35JPaDmsLanZ2dnUVZ_tWtnZ2d@giganews . com
> Adrian wrote:
>
>> So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.
>>
>> Thanks for helping.
>
> MC cartridges often offer benefits over MC. Why not buy a
> phono preamp with a MC/MM switch ? Probably a cheaper
> option.


Whether MC cartriges have any inherent benefits over MM cartridges has
always been controversial.

One of the finest MM cartridges ever made still costs less than $100. It's
hard to get a good MM preamp for $100, and MC preamps are generally far more
expensive.

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

In article <Bb6dnTFUddvQt8LanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, Arny Krueger
<arnyk@hotpop . com > scribeth thus
>"geoff" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:XO2dnV35JPaDmsLanZ2dnUVZ_tWtnZ2d@giganews . com
>> Adrian wrote:
>>
>>> So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping.
>>
>> MC cartridges often offer benefits over MC. Why not buy a
>> phono preamp with a MC/MM switch ? Probably a cheaper
>> option.
>
>
>Whether MC cartriges have any inherent benefits over MM cartridges has
>always been controversial.
>
>One of the finest MM cartridges ever made still costs less than $100.

Which is please?...


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Tony Sayer

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:14:24 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

> In article <Bb6dnTFUddvQt8LanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, Arny Krueger

>>One of the finest MM cartridges ever made still costs less than $100.
>
> Which is please?...

AT95E or even a Linn rebadged one in the form of the K9 if you really
must pay more ;-)

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!


"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lFpqfhAAS7XHFwr5@bancom.co.uk...
> In article <Bb6dnTFUddvQt8LanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, Arny Krueger

This is a UK froop, the last poster we want in here is
Arny Krueger, whatever the subject, no matter the
thread evolution AK will eventually resort to his
cyberstalking of John Aitkinson, and Arny's bollocks about
ABX and his highly dubious contentions...yawn.
If you're placing any credibilty in Arny's opnions or views
then go ask him in the froops he haunts, he's not wanted
here in the land of the sane and knowledgeable.

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:47:33 -0800 (PST), Adrian
<adrian_h_hudson@yahoo . com > wrote:

>Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
>copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>
>My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
>Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
>D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.
>
>This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
>strong. I have the gain on the USB Phono turned to the max. But, the
>meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
>the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
>at least 3dB more.


Do you still have the amplifier you used to use when you played vinyl
all the time? It will have an input stage better suited to your
low-output cartridge. Use that as a preamp, feeding Tape Out into
Line In on the ART, switching out the RIAA stage.

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Dec 10, 2:05 pm, Laurence Payne <NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex . com >
wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:47:33 -0800 (PST), Adrian
>
> <adrian h hud...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> >Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
> >copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>
> >My equipment is aDenonDP-35F Turntable with aDenonDL-300
> >Cartridge, a New ART "USBPhono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
> >D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.
>
> >This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
> >strong. I have the gain on theUSBPhono turned to the max. But, the
> >meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
> >the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
> >at least 3dB more.
>
> Do you still have the amplifier you used to use when you played vinyl
> all the time? It will have an input stage better suited to your
> low-output cartridge. Use that as a preamp, feeding Tape Out into
> Line In on the ART, switching out the RIAA stage.

Yes I do have the receiver. However, it will awkward to set it up
just now. Since I see this as a project that will go on for some time
I amthinking about a new cartridge.

Adrian

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2:05 pm, Laurence Payne <NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex . com >
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:47:33 -0800 (PST), Adrian
>>
>> <adrian h hud...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>> Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
>>> copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!
>>> My equipment is aDenonDP-35F Turntable with aDenonDL-300
>>> Cartridge, a New ART "USBPhono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
>>> D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.
>>> This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
>>> strong. I have the gain on theUSBPhono turned to the max. But, the
>>> meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
>>> the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
>>> at least 3dB more.
>> Do you still have the amplifier you used to use when you played vinyl
>> all the time? It will have an input stage better suited to your
>> low-output cartridge. Use that as a preamp, feeding Tape Out into
>> Line In on the ART, switching out the RIAA stage.
>
> Yes I do have the receiver. However, it will awkward to set it up
> just now. Since I see this as a project that will go on for some time
> I amthinking about a new cartridge.
>
> Adrian
You don't have to 'set it up' per se...just plug it in, in the vicinity
of the turntable and computer...ie you don't need speakers, antenna or
anything else. Put it under your monitor....

Space might be an issue, but you're just setting it up as a preamp for
your computer...one cord for power, one double RCA to the preamp, and
start ripping while you're figuring out your cartridge issues.

jak

Re: Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:13:11 -0800 (PST), Adrian
<adrian_h_hudson@yahoo . com > wrote:

>> Do you still have the amplifier you used to use when you played vinyl
>> all the time? It will have an input stage better suited to your
>> low-output cartridge. Use that as a preamp, feeding Tape Out into
>> Line In on the ART, switching out the RIAA stage.
>
>Yes I do have the receiver. However, it will awkward to set it up
>just now. Since I see this as a project that will go on for some time
>I amthinking about a new cartridge.

What's to set up? Just put it somewhere near the turntable and
computer. It dousn't need speakers or anything.