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Look out Jenn
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff7841d1@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 15, 9:54 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <d3944363-370e-40e8-bb4b-9628e5ed7...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 15, 2:05 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <9bdebaa0-b82d-49ea-81f2-e87c20faa...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 15, 12:06 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <80397619-fee5-4da4-81fd-79b74627b...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > A replacement is in development.
> >
> > > > > > > * news.yahoo . com /s/ap/20080514/ap_en_mu/robot_conductor1st_ld_
> > > > > > >wr..
> > > > > > >.
> >
> > > > > > > ScottW
> >
> > > > > > Nah, he has no legato...
> >
> > > > > Simple subroutine. This is just a matter of time.
> >
> > > > Well, enjoy that music.
> >
> > > Millions do every day.
> >
> > How so?
>
> How many drum tracks in pop music don't have a drummer
> but a programmer?
>
> >
> > > So who is the greatest conductor ever who is passed?
> >
> > Matter of opinion. There's one of your problems.
>
> Not important, pick one, never mind we'll have the robot
> mimic you.
It's not about the arm-waving.
> > > If there was a video of his greatest performance, would you be opposed
> > > to a robot mimicking that performance leading a fine orchestra?
> >
> > I wouldn't be "opposed" but I guarantee that it wouldn't sound the same.
>
> Do any two performances, even by the same conductor, sound the same?
>
> We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't sound the same
> as the original. But if one doesn't accept something short of
> perfection and strive to improve, you'll never have anything.
We don't need robot conductors, but in the interest of providing an
actually interesting topic let's take a look here:
* web.media.mit.edu/~joep/SpectrumWeb/SpectrumX.html
The page is called, "Electronic Music Interfaces." Check out "4) Batons"
and "9) Noncontact Gesture Sensing"
More on the "Sensor Chair":
* web.media.mit.edu/~joep/SpectrumWeb/captions/Chair.html
These control devices, not humans, but that's one of the points against
a robot conductor.
I searched for an electronic wand that could control tempo and intensity
in performance of a pre-existing synthesizer piece I had seen in a
concert a decade or so ago, but no luck.
This looks cool:
* bampfa.berkeley.edu/events/education/bigbang/EN0169
"...Professor Edmund Campion will demonstrate real-time interactive
musical applications of computers featuring the CNMAT Max/MSP/Jitter
Depot and the eight channel surround system in the CNMAT Sound
Spatialization Theater."
Stephen
In article
<0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff7841d1@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 15, 9:54 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <d3944363-370e-40e8-bb4b-9628e5ed7...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 15, 2:05 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <9bdebaa0-b82d-49ea-81f2-e87c20faa...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 15, 12:06 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <80397619-fee5-4da4-81fd-79b74627b...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > A replacement is in development.
> >
> > > > > > > * news.yahoo . com /s/ap/20080514/ap_en_mu/robot_conductor1st_ld_
> > > > > > >wr..
> > > > > > >.
> >
> > > > > > > ScottW
> >
> > > > > > Nah, he has no legato...
> >
> > > > > Simple subroutine. This is just a matter of time.
> >
> > > > Well, enjoy that music.
> >
> > > Millions do every day.
> >
> > How so?
>
> How many drum tracks in pop music don't have a drummer
> but a programmer?
>
> >
> > > So who is the greatest conductor ever who is passed?
> >
> > Matter of opinion. There's one of your problems.
>
> Not important, pick one, never mind we'll have the robot
> mimic you.
It's not about the arm-waving.
> > > If there was a video of his greatest performance, would you be opposed
> > > to a robot mimicking that performance leading a fine orchestra?
> >
> > I wouldn't be "opposed" but I guarantee that it wouldn't sound the same.
>
> Do any two performances, even by the same conductor, sound the same?
>
> We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't sound the same
> as the original. But if one doesn't accept something short of
> perfection and strive to improve, you'll never have anything.
We don't need robot conductors, but in the interest of providing an
actually interesting topic let's take a look here:
* web.media.mit.edu/~joep/SpectrumWeb/SpectrumX.html
The page is called, "Electronic Music Interfaces." Check out "4) Batons"
and "9) Noncontact Gesture Sensing"
More on the "Sensor Chair":
* web.media.mit.edu/~joep/SpectrumWeb/captions/Chair.html
These control devices, not humans, but that's one of the points against
a robot conductor.
I searched for an electronic wand that could control tempo and intensity
in performance of a pre-existing synthesizer piece I had seen in a
concert a decade or so ago, but no luck.
This looks cool:
* bampfa.berkeley.edu/events/education/bigbang/EN0169
"...Professor Edmund Campion will demonstrate real-time interactive
musical applications of computers featuring the CNMAT Max/MSP/Jitter
Depot and the eight channel surround system in the CNMAT Sound
Spatialization Theater."
Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff7841d1@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 15, 9:54 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <d3944363-370e-40e8-bb4b-9628e5ed7...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 15, 2:05 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <9bdebaa0-b82d-49ea-81f2-e87c20faa...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 15, 12:06 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <80397619-fee5-4da4-81fd-79b74627b...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > A replacement is in development.
> >
> > > > > > > * news.yahoo . com /s/ap/20080514/ap_en_mu/robot_conductor1st_ld_
> > > > > > >wr..
> > > > > > >.
> >
> > > > > > > ScottW
> >
> > > > > > Nah, he has no legato...
> >
> > > > > Simple subroutine. This is just a matter of time.
> >
> > > > Well, enjoy that music.
> >
> > > Millions do every day.
> >
> > How so?
>
> How many drum tracks in pop music don't have a drummer
> but a programmer?
I thought we were talking about conductors.
>
> >
> > > So who is the greatest conductor ever who is passed?
> >
> > Matter of opinion. There's one of your problems.
>
> Not important, pick one, never mind we'll have the robot
> mimic you.
Nope. Posture, subtle muscle movement, eyes, moment to moment
adjustments, facial gestures, human interaction, spontenious expression
based on human experience, etc. You have too narrow a view of what
conductors do in performance.
>
> >
> > > If there was a video of his greatest performance, would you be opposed
> > > to a robot mimicking that performance leading a fine orchestra?
> >
> > I wouldn't be "opposed" but I guarantee that it wouldn't sound the same.
>
> Do any two performances, even by the same conductor, sound the same?
>
> We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't sound the same
> as the original. But if one doesn't accept something short of
> perfection and strive to improve, you'll never have anything.
It won't replicate anything except some of the movement involved. See
above.
In article
<0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff7841d1@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 15, 9:54 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <d3944363-370e-40e8-bb4b-9628e5ed7...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 15, 2:05 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <9bdebaa0-b82d-49ea-81f2-e87c20faa...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 15, 12:06 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <80397619-fee5-4da4-81fd-79b74627b...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > A replacement is in development.
> >
> > > > > > > * news.yahoo . com /s/ap/20080514/ap_en_mu/robot_conductor1st_ld_
> > > > > > >wr..
> > > > > > >.
> >
> > > > > > > ScottW
> >
> > > > > > Nah, he has no legato...
> >
> > > > > Simple subroutine. This is just a matter of time.
> >
> > > > Well, enjoy that music.
> >
> > > Millions do every day.
> >
> > How so?
>
> How many drum tracks in pop music don't have a drummer
> but a programmer?
I thought we were talking about conductors.
>
> >
> > > So who is the greatest conductor ever who is passed?
> >
> > Matter of opinion. There's one of your problems.
>
> Not important, pick one, never mind we'll have the robot
> mimic you.
Nope. Posture, subtle muscle movement, eyes, moment to moment
adjustments, facial gestures, human interaction, spontenious expression
based on human experience, etc. You have too narrow a view of what
conductors do in performance.
>
> >
> > > If there was a video of his greatest performance, would you be opposed
> > > to a robot mimicking that performance leading a fine orchestra?
> >
> > I wouldn't be "opposed" but I guarantee that it wouldn't sound the same.
>
> Do any two performances, even by the same conductor, sound the same?
>
> We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't sound the same
> as the original. But if one doesn't accept something short of
> perfection and strive to improve, you'll never have anything.
It won't replicate anything except some of the movement involved. See
above.
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 16, 8:45 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff784...@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 15, 9:54 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d3944363-370e-40e8-bb4b-9628e5ed7...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 15, 2:05 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <9bdebaa0-b82d-49ea-81f2-e87c20faa...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com =
>,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > On May 15, 12:06 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wro=
te:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <80397619-fee5-4da4-81fd-79b74627b...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > A replacement is in development.
>
> > > > > > > > * news.yahoo . com /s/ap/20080514/ap en mu/robot conductor1=
st ld
> > > > > > > >wr..
> > > > > > > >.
>
> > > > > > > > ScottW
>
> > > > > > > Nah, he has no legato...
>
> > > > > > Simple subroutine. This is just a matter of time.
>
> > > > > Well, enjoy that music.
>
> > > > Millions do every day.
>
> > > How so?
>
> > How many drum tracks in pop music don't have a drummer
> > but a programmer?
>
> I thought we were talking about conductors.
Conductors who are programmed to mimic
other conductors.
>
>
>
> > > > So who is the greatest conductor ever who is passed?
>
> > > Matter of opinion. There's one of your problems.
>
> > Not important, pick one, never mind we'll have the robot
> > mimic you.
>
> Nope. Posture, subtle muscle movement, eyes, moment to moment
> adjustments, facial gestures, human interaction, spontenious expression
> based on human experience, etc. You have too narrow a view of what
> conductors do in performance.
That is what the do in creating a live performance which leads to all
performances being different.
This effort is more in trying to recreate a specific live performance
with live instrumentation. I guess for this to work we need
robot players too. Quite possible.
>
>
>
> > > > If there was a video of his greatest performance, would you be oppos=
ed
> > > > to a robot mimicking that performance leading a fine orchestra?
>
> > > I wouldn't be "opposed" but I guarantee that it wouldn't sound the sam=
e.
>
> > Do any two performances, even by the same conductor, sound the same?
>
> > We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't sound the same
> > as the original. But if one doesn't accept something short of
> > perfection and strive to improve, you'll never have anything.
>
> It won't replicate anything except some of the movement involved. See
> above.
And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
orchestra, that is sufficient.
ScottW
On May 16, 8:45 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff784...@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 15, 9:54 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d3944363-370e-40e8-bb4b-9628e5ed7...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 15, 2:05 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <9bdebaa0-b82d-49ea-81f2-e87c20faa...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups . com =
>,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > On May 15, 12:06 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wro=
te:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <80397619-fee5-4da4-81fd-79b74627b...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > A replacement is in development.
>
> > > > > > > > * news.yahoo . com /s/ap/20080514/ap en mu/robot conductor1=
st ld
> > > > > > > >wr..
> > > > > > > >.
>
> > > > > > > > ScottW
>
> > > > > > > Nah, he has no legato...
>
> > > > > > Simple subroutine. This is just a matter of time.
>
> > > > > Well, enjoy that music.
>
> > > > Millions do every day.
>
> > > How so?
>
> > How many drum tracks in pop music don't have a drummer
> > but a programmer?
>
> I thought we were talking about conductors.
Conductors who are programmed to mimic
other conductors.
>
>
>
> > > > So who is the greatest conductor ever who is passed?
>
> > > Matter of opinion. There's one of your problems.
>
> > Not important, pick one, never mind we'll have the robot
> > mimic you.
>
> Nope. Posture, subtle muscle movement, eyes, moment to moment
> adjustments, facial gestures, human interaction, spontenious expression
> based on human experience, etc. You have too narrow a view of what
> conductors do in performance.
That is what the do in creating a live performance which leads to all
performances being different.
This effort is more in trying to recreate a specific live performance
with live instrumentation. I guess for this to work we need
robot players too. Quite possible.
>
>
>
> > > > If there was a video of his greatest performance, would you be oppos=
ed
> > > > to a robot mimicking that performance leading a fine orchestra?
>
> > > I wouldn't be "opposed" but I guarantee that it wouldn't sound the sam=
e.
>
> > Do any two performances, even by the same conductor, sound the same?
>
> > We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't sound the same
> > as the original. But if one doesn't accept something short of
> > perfection and strive to improve, you'll never have anything.
>
> It won't replicate anything except some of the movement involved. See
> above.
And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
orchestra, that is sufficient.
ScottW
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4b9a@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> orchestra, that is sufficient.
Anyone will do, depending on how generously one defines 'sufficient':
* thinkprogress.org/2007/05/13/bush-conducts-orchestra/
Stephen
In article
<808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4b9a@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> orchestra, that is sufficient.
Anyone will do, depending on how generously one defines 'sufficient':
* thinkprogress.org/2007/05/13/bush-conducts-orchestra/
Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> Anyone will do,
Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
ScottW
On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> Anyone will do,
Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
ScottW
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496ad6@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > Anyone will do,
>
> Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
Stephen
In article
<b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496ad6@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > Anyone will do,
>
> Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > Anyone will do,
>
> > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
Of course I could say the same for my grandkids.
But with their life being ahead of them it isn't the condemnation
of your thoughtless comment.
ScottW
On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > Anyone will do,
>
> > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
Of course I could say the same for my grandkids.
But with their life being ahead of them it isn't the condemnation
of your thoughtless comment.
ScottW
Re: Look out Jenn
On 16 Mai, 16:53, ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote=
:
> > > > In article
> > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained=
> > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
> Of course I could say the same for my grandkids.
> But with their life being ahead of them it isn't the condemnation
> of your thoughtless comment.
>
> ScottW-
First of all, je meant trraining the orchestra
2nd, there is always something new one can learn.
On 16 Mai, 16:53, ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote=
:
> > > > In article
> > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained=
> > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
> Of course I could say the same for my grandkids.
> But with their life being ahead of them it isn't the condemnation
> of your thoughtless comment.
>
> ScottW-
First of all, je meant trraining the orchestra
2nd, there is always something new one can learn.
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea00746c@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > > > Anyone will do,
> >
> > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
> >
> > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. OF
COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better. I work on
my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year.
Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
> Of course I could say the same for my grandkids.
> But with their life being ahead of them it isn't the condemnation
> of your thoughtless comment.
>
> ScottW
In article
<3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea00746c@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > > > Anyone will do,
> >
> > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
> >
> > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. OF
COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better. I work on
my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year.
Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
> Of course I could say the same for my grandkids.
> But with their life being ahead of them it isn't the condemnation
> of your thoughtless comment.
>
> ScottW
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wro=
te:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >=
,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and train=
ed
> > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. =
OF
> COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
> I work on
> my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year. =
> Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
No, training and studying are very different.
ScottW
On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wro=
te:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >=
,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and train=
ed
> > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. =
OF
> COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
> I work on
> my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year. =
> Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
No, training and studying are very different.
ScottW
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1eb7f@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > > > > > Anyone will do,
> >
> > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
> >
> > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
> >
> > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
> >
> > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. OF
> > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > I work on
> > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year.
> > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> No, training and studying are very different.
>
> ScottW
Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
In article
<00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1eb7f@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and trained
> > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > > > > > Anyone will do,
> >
> > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
> >
> > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
> >
> > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
> >
> > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. OF
> > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > I work on
> > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year.
> > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> No, training and studying are very different.
>
> ScottW
Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
Re: Look out Jenn
On 16 Mai, 19:52, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrot=
e:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com =
>,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com >=
wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and t=
rained
> > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2.=
OF
> > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > > I work on
> > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every yea=
r.
> > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> > No, training and studying are very different.
>
> > ScottW
>
> Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.- Ascunde citatul -
>
too many city buses on that street
LOL!!
On 16 Mai, 19:52, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrot=
e:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com =
>,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com >=
wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and t=
rained
> > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2.=
OF
> > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > > I work on
> > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every yea=
r.
> > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> > No, training and studying are very different.
>
> > ScottW
>
> Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.- Ascunde citatul -
>
too many city buses on that street
LOL!!
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 16, 4:52 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrot=
e:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com =
>,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com >=
wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and t=
rained
> > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2.=
OF
> > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > > I work on
> > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every yea=
r.
> > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> > No, training and studying are very different.
>
> > ScottW
>
> Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
Weak cop out.
Training is repetitive to develop and improve a skill.
Studying is to acquire knowledge.
I can study guitar without ever playing.
Can I play without training?
ScottW
On May 16, 4:52 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrot=
e:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com =
>,
>
> > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com >=
wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and t=
rained
> > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2.=
OF
> > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > > I work on
> > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every yea=
r.
> > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> > No, training and studying are very different.
>
> > ScottW
>
> Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
Weak cop out.
Training is repetitive to develop and improve a skill.
Studying is to acquire knowledge.
I can study guitar without ever playing.
Can I play without training?
ScottW
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<f04ee8fa-958c-4e54-a7aa-dc2c100e1f57@a9g2000prl.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 4:52 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.co
> > > > > > > > m>,
> >
> > > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and
> > > > > > > > > trained
> > > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > > > > > > > Anyone will do,
> >
> > > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
> >
> > > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
> >
> > > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
> >
> > > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. OF
> > > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
> >
> > > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
> >
> > > > I work on
> > > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year.
> > > >
> > > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
> >
> > > No, training and studying are very different.
> >
> > > ScottW
> >
> > Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
>
> Weak cop out.
No, just a desire to not have a bunch of posts on a silly side "topic".
>
> Training is repetitive to develop and improve a skill.
> Studying is to acquire knowledge.
> I can study guitar without ever playing.
> Can I play without training?
Have you ever heard anyone say, "I'm training on guitar"?
Words have different meanings in different contexts.
And yes, in either context, I still train. And I still study. Every
good classical musician I know never stops doing either.
In article
<f04ee8fa-958c-4e54-a7aa-dc2c100e1f57@a9g2000prl.googlegroups . com >,
ScottW <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 4:52 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > In article
> > <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,
> >
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.co
> > > > > > > > m>,
> >
> > > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and
> > > > > > > > > trained
> > > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
> >
> > > > > > > > Anyone will do,
> >
> > > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
> >
> > > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
> >
> > > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
> >
> > > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. 2. OF
> > > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
> >
> > > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
> >
> > > > I work on
> > > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every year.
> > > >
> > > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
> >
> > > No, training and studying are very different.
> >
> > > ScottW
> >
> > Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
>
> Weak cop out.
No, just a desire to not have a bunch of posts on a silly side "topic".
>
> Training is repetitive to develop and improve a skill.
> Studying is to acquire knowledge.
> I can study guitar without ever playing.
> Can I play without training?
Have you ever heard anyone say, "I'm training on guitar"?
Words have different meanings in different contexts.
And yes, in either context, I still train. And I still study. Every
good classical musician I know never stops doing either.
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 17, 10:22 am, ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 4:52 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,=
>
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wr=
ote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.c=
om>,
>
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr.co=
m> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroup=
s . com >,
>
> > > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and=
trained
> > > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> > > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. =
2. OF
> > > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> > > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > > > I work on
> > > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every y=
ear.
> > > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> > > No, training and studying are very different.
>
> > > ScottW
>
> > Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
>
> Weak cop out.
>
> Training is repetitive to develop and improve a skill.
> Studying is to acquire knowledge.
> I can study guitar without ever playing.
> Can I play without training?
I presume that's precisely the "Arnyesque" road that Jenn referred to.
I know a concert pianist, 2pid. She's played with major orchestras,
recorded, etc. She's 76 years old. She still "trains" eight hours per
day. She also "studies" *and* "trains" at master classes with pianists
that probably even you have heard of. And when she plays with
orchestras, she looks forward to the training and study with various
conductors as well.
She must not be very good if she has to do this at her age, right?
Yes, comparing music to a defensive lineman on a pro football team is
appropriate. LOL!
What an imbecile.
As a side note, 2pid, you seem more bitter and angrier than your usual
angry self recently. Is everything OK?
On May 17, 10:22 am, ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 16, 4:52 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <00bd7044-caab-46da-a860-355fc4a1e...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups . com >,
>
> > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > On May 16, 2:48 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <3f67b17d-03cd-4fc0-ae29-c60eea007...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups . com >,=
>
> > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > On May 16, 1:37 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wr=
ote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <b2b9f434-adba-4b57-bdef-bdd91d496...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.c=
om>,
>
> > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > On May 16, 11:36 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr.co=
m> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <808e0e9c-0742-490c-96de-c65f039e4...@w4g2000prd.googlegroup=
s . com >,
>
> > > > > > > > ScottW <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And this demo showed that with a properly rehearsed and=
trained
> > > > > > > > > orchestra, that is sufficient.
>
> > > > > > > > Anyone will do,
>
> > > > > > > Ouch, our resident conductor is feeling the pain.
>
> > > > > > She'll do fine properly rehearsing and training.
>
> > > > > After a lifetime she still needs training, ouch.
>
> > > > Good God... 1. He meant my training of the players, I'm sure. =
2. OF
> > > > COURSE I still train! It's a lifelong quest to get better.
>
> > > an athlete at your age would be training to sustain....
>
> > > > I work on
> > > > my eartraining every day, for example. I attend workshops every y=
ear.
> > > > Do you not "train" to keep up with technology in your field?
>
> > > No, training and studying are very different.
>
> > > ScottW
>
> > Sorry, I'm not going down this Arnyesque road.
>
> Weak cop out.
>
> Training is repetitive to develop and improve a skill.
> Studying is to acquire knowledge.
> I can study guitar without ever playing.
> Can I play without training?
I presume that's precisely the "Arnyesque" road that Jenn referred to.
I know a concert pianist, 2pid. She's played with major orchestras,
recorded, etc. She's 76 years old. She still "trains" eight hours per
day. She also "studies" *and* "trains" at master classes with pianists
that probably even you have heard of. And when she plays with
orchestras, she looks forward to the training and study with various
conductors as well.
She must not be very good if she has to do this at her age, right?
Yes, comparing music to a defensive lineman on a pro football team is
appropriate. LOL!
What an imbecile.
As a side note, 2pid, you seem more bitter and angrier than your usual
angry self recently. Is everything OK?
