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Re: Look out Jenn
On 16 Mai, 21:02, "Harry Lavo" <hl...@comcast . net > wrote:
> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
>
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy=
. net ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ oWdn...@comcast . com >,
> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
>
> >> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
> >>news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodi=
gy . net
> >> > In article <x -dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ h in...@comcast . com >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
>
> >> >> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
> >> >>news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.pr=
odigy.
> >> >> net
>
> >> >>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> >> >> How is it any less like traditional live music than
> >> >> listening to a stereo?
>
> >> > That's not the point,
>
> >> Really?
>
> > Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like live music.
>
> >> > but "at least" most recordings of
> >> > music of the type we're writing about have human
> >> > performers.
>
> >> I don't think we are that far from software that can pass the Eliza tes=
t
> >> for
> >> emotion in music.
>
> > What's the Eliza test?
>
> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he wouldn't hold the Eli=
za
> program up as a "test" for anything?
>
> It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how =
do
> you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
> Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist, althoug=
h
> occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
> might pass for 'real".
>
> So now we know Arny holds up random music as his model.....who knew?-
Ah, finally the truth
very perceptive Harry,
Arny has been undergoing intense
psychotherpay for the past 6 years.
The therapist is a software program.
And it works!!!!!
Could hava fooled me!
LOL!!!!
On 16 Mai, 21:02, "Harry Lavo" <hl...@comcast . net > wrote:
> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
>
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy=
. net ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ oWdn...@comcast . com >,
> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
>
> >> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
> >>news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodi=
gy . net
> >> > In article <x -dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ h in...@comcast . com >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
>
> >> >> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
> >> >>news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.pr=
odigy.
> >> >> net
>
> >> >>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> >> >> How is it any less like traditional live music than
> >> >> listening to a stereo?
>
> >> > That's not the point,
>
> >> Really?
>
> > Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like live music.
>
> >> > but "at least" most recordings of
> >> > music of the type we're writing about have human
> >> > performers.
>
> >> I don't think we are that far from software that can pass the Eliza tes=
t
> >> for
> >> emotion in music.
>
> > What's the Eliza test?
>
> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he wouldn't hold the Eli=
za
> program up as a "test" for anything?
>
> It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how =
do
> you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
> Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist, althoug=
h
> occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
> might pass for 'real".
>
> So now we know Arny holds up random music as his model.....who knew?-
Ah, finally the truth
very perceptive Harry,
Arny has been undergoing intense
psychotherpay for the past 6 years.
The therapist is a software program.
And it works!!!!!
Could hava fooled me!
LOL!!!!
Re: Look out Jenn
"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast . com
> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net ...
>> In article
>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>>>> In article
>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
>>>>> net
>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>
>>>> That's not the point,
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>> live music.
>>>
>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>> performers.
>>>
>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>> emotion in music.
>> What's the Eliza test?
> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
> anything?
>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how
>do
>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any decent
reference on the topic says.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
comments.
>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist, although
>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
>might pass for 'real".
It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
questionable approach to psychotherapy.
So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
A higher standard would be the Turing test.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to reason
properly on the discussion.
"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast . com
> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net ...
>> In article
>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>>>> In article
>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
>>>>> net
>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>
>>>> That's not the point,
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>> live music.
>>>
>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>> performers.
>>>
>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>> emotion in music.
>> What's the Eliza test?
> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
> anything?
>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how
>do
>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any decent
reference on the topic says.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
comments.
>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist, although
>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
>might pass for 'real".
It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
questionable approach to psychotherapy.
So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
A higher standard would be the Turing test.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to reason
properly on the discussion.
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 17, 11:46 am, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
> >>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
> >>> pass the Eliza test for
> >>> emotion in music.
> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to reas=
on
> properly on the discussion.
Yes, GOIA, I agree with you: Computers may someday be able to "parody"
human emotion randomly.
Harry was wrong to call you an idiot in this discussion concerning
replacing human musicians with robots. LOL!
On May 17, 11:46 am, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
> >>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
> >>> pass the Eliza test for
> >>> emotion in music.
> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to reas=
on
> properly on the discussion.
Yes, GOIA, I agree with you: Computers may someday be able to "parody"
human emotion randomly.
Harry was wrong to call you an idiot in this discussion concerning
replacing human musicians with robots. LOL!
Re: Look out Jenn
"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote in message
news:v8KdnVj9nep9lrLVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast . com ...
> "Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
> news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast . com
>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net ...
>>> In article
>>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
>>>>>> net
>>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>>
>>>>> That's not the point,
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>>> live music.
>>>>
>>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>>> performers.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>>> emotion in music.
>
>>> What's the Eliza test?
>
>> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
>> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
>> anything?
>
>>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how
>>do
>>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
>
> Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any decent
> reference on the topic says.
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
>
> Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
> comments.
>
>>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist,
>>although
>>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
>>might pass for 'real".
>
> It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
> questionable approach to psychotherapy.
>
> So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
>
> A higher standard would be the Turing test.
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
>
> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to
> reason properly on the discussion.
Very funny, Arny. I properly identified the test.. . fr om memory...not from
your crutch, Wikopedia. Some of actually acquired knowledge as we went
along...we don't have to "research' every question, Arny. It's called a
"conversation". Eliza is Eliza, as I said a sophomoric little program
mimicing the open-ended questions of a psychiatrist. Without "Wikopedia",
Arny.
Any you think that shows a lack of knowledge, Arny? Obviously you don't
know the difference between real knowledge and "look up".
"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote in message
news:v8KdnVj9nep9lrLVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast . com ...
> "Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
> news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast . com
>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net ...
>>> In article
>>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
>>>>>> net
>>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>>
>>>>> That's not the point,
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>>> live music.
>>>>
>>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>>> performers.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>>> emotion in music.
>
>>> What's the Eliza test?
>
>> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
>> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
>> anything?
>
>>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how
>>do
>>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
>
> Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any decent
> reference on the topic says.
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
>
> Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
> comments.
>
>>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist,
>>although
>>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
>>might pass for 'real".
>
> It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
> questionable approach to psychotherapy.
>
> So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
>
> A higher standard would be the Turing test.
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
>
> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to
> reason properly on the discussion.
Very funny, Arny. I properly identified the test.. . fr om memory...not from
your crutch, Wikopedia. Some of actually acquired knowledge as we went
along...we don't have to "research' every question, Arny. It's called a
"conversation". Eliza is Eliza, as I said a sophomoric little program
mimicing the open-ended questions of a psychiatrist. Without "Wikopedia",
Arny.
Any you think that shows a lack of knowledge, Arny? Obviously you don't
know the difference between real knowledge and "look up".
Re: Look out Jenn
"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
news:WpCdnSdmkPqV4bLVnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast . com ...
>
> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote in message
> news:v8KdnVj9nep9lrLVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast . com ...
>> "Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
>> news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast . com
>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net ...
>>>> In article
>>>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
>>>>>>> net
>>>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not the point,
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>>>> live music.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>>>> performers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>>>> emotion in music.
>>
>>>> What's the Eliza test?
>>
>>> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
>>> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
>>> anything?
>>
>>>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how
>>>do
>>>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
>>
>> Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any decent
>> reference on the topic says.
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
>>
>> Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
>> comments.
>>
>>>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist,
>>>although
>>>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
>>>might pass for 'real".
>>
>> It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
>> questionable approach to psychotherapy.
>>
>> So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
>>
>> A higher standard would be the Turing test.
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
>>
>> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to
>> reason properly on the discussion.
>
> Very funny, Arny. I properly identified the test.. . fr om memory...not from
> your crutch, Wikopedia.
Keep grasping for imaginary forms of superiority Harry. Just because I post
the references doesn't mean that I didn't do it from memory. Also, it was I
that initated the topic, you're just following my lead.
> Some of actually acquired knowledge as we went along...we don't have to
> "research' every question, Arny. It's called a "conversation".
In your case Harry, its all about your wounded ego.
>Eliza is Eliza, as I said a sophomoric little program mimicing the
>open-ended questions of a psychiatrist. Without "Wikopedia", Arny.
As I said Harry, you're talking about an imaginary advantage.
> Any you think that shows a lack of knowledge, Arny? Obviously you don't
> know the difference between real knowledge and "look up".
Dream on, Harry.
"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
news:WpCdnSdmkPqV4bLVnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast . com ...
>
> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote in message
> news:v8KdnVj9nep9lrLVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast . com ...
>> "Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast . net > wrote in message
>> news:q8GdnRsPA8Fbs7PVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast . com
>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net ...
>>>> In article
>>>> <yKSdnQ3CtqP9tLPVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in message
>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-01509F.17343616052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <x_-dnXr517r7uLPVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast . com >, "Arny
>>>>>> Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop . com > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
>>>>>>> net
>>>>>>>> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is it any less like traditional live music than
>>>>>>> listening to a stereo?
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not the point,
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. It's a given that listening to a stereo isn't like
>>>> live music.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but "at least" most recordings of
>>>>>> music of the type we're writing about have human
>>>>>> performers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we are that far from software that can
>>>>> pass the Eliza test for
>>>>> emotion in music.
>>
>>>> What's the Eliza test?
>>
>>> LOL! If he really knew anything about psychology, he
>>> wouldn't hold the Eliza program up as a "test" for
>>> anything?
>>
>>>It was a sophomoric little computer program writen to ask open ended "how
>>>do
>>>you feel about that" questions keying on certain response structures.
>>
>> Actually, Eliza was a parody of a Rogerian psychotherapist, as any decent
>> reference on the topic says.
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_effect
>>
>> Rogerian pyschotherapists responded largely by rephrasing the patient's
>> comments.
>>
>>>Nobody would mistake it for a real discussion with a psychiatrist,
>>>although
>>>occassionally it would hit upon a sequence of two or three responses that
>>>might pass for 'real".
>>
>> It is well known that the Eliza program was a flawed implementation of a
>> questionable approach to psychotherapy.
>>
>> So. I wasn't holding the proposed software up to a very high standard.
>>
>> A higher standard would be the Turing test.
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
>>
>> As usual, Harry is imposing his own lack of knowlege and inability to
>> reason properly on the discussion.
>
> Very funny, Arny. I properly identified the test.. . fr om memory...not from
> your crutch, Wikopedia.
Keep grasping for imaginary forms of superiority Harry. Just because I post
the references doesn't mean that I didn't do it from memory. Also, it was I
that initated the topic, you're just following my lead.
> Some of actually acquired knowledge as we went along...we don't have to
> "research' every question, Arny. It's called a "conversation".
In your case Harry, its all about your wounded ego.
>Eliza is Eliza, as I said a sophomoric little program mimicing the
>open-ended questions of a psychiatrist. Without "Wikopedia", Arny.
As I said Harry, you're talking about an imaginary advantage.
> Any you think that shows a lack of knowledge, Arny? Obviously you don't
> know the difference between real knowledge and "look up".
Dream on, Harry.
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
et>,
Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
>
> What's the Eliza test?
She's Turing's daughter.
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
Stephen
In article
<jennconductsREMOVETHIS-8F6222.17435916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
et>,
Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
>
> What's the Eliza test?
She's Turing's daughter.
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
On 16 Mai, 20:22, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
>
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>
> > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> How is it any less like traditional live music than listening to a stereo?
One is a the playback of a recording of human performers
and the other is a live concert by robots.
And I am sure the robots will appreciate the vociferous applause you
will be giving them.
On 16 Mai, 20:22, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
> "Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote in message
>
> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy . net
>
> > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> How is it any less like traditional live music than listening to a stereo?
One is a the playback of a recording of human performers
and the other is a live concert by robots.
And I am sure the robots will appreciate the vociferous applause you
will be giving them.
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
et>,
Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> > ScottW
>
> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
* w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
Stephen
In article
<jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
et>,
Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> > ScottW
>
> As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
* w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> et>,
> Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
>
> > > ScottW
> >
> > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
>
> Stephen
Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
In article
<smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> et>,
> Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
>
> > > ScottW
> >
> > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
>
> Stephen
Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<jennconductsREMOVETHIS-85EFE0.20251916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
et>,
Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
> MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> > et>,
> > Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> >
> > > > ScottW
> > >
> > > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
> >
> > * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
> having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
More fun on the trombone, I hope.
For pianists, Vexations.
Stephen
In article
<jennconductsREMOVETHIS-85EFE0.20251916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
et>,
Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
> MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> > et>,
> > Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> >
> > > > ScottW
> > >
> > > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
> >
> > * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
> having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
More fun on the trombone, I hope.
For pianists, Vexations.
Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<smcelroy2-708FBC.23233916052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-85EFE0.20251916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> et>,
> Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
> > MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> > > et>,
> > > Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > ScottW
> > > >
> > > > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
> > >
> > > * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
> > having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
>
> More fun on the trombone, I hope.
Fer sure. Nice solo. Often an audition piece.
>
> For pianists, Vexations.
lol yep
>
> Stephen
In article
<smcelroy2-708FBC.23233916052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> In article
> <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-85EFE0.20251916052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> et>,
> Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
> > MiNe 109 <smcelroy2@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> > > et>,
> > > Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac . com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > ScottW
> > > >
> > > > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
> > >
> > > * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti_metro.html
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
> > having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
>
> More fun on the trombone, I hope.
Fer sure. Nice solo. Often an audition piece.
>
> For pianists, Vexations.
lol yep
>
> Stephen
Re: Look out Jenn
On May 16, 10:25 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052...@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
> MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n=
> > et>,
> > Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
>
> > > > ScottW
>
> > > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> > * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti metro.html
> Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
> having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
I couldn't listen to the whole thing. The rich harmonic overtones, the
raw human emotion...
I have tears in my eyes.
On May 16, 10:25 pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
> In article
> <smcelroy2-6713F7.22141716052...@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
> MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr . com > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0539CC.14504416052...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n=
> > et>,
> > Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac . com > wrote:
>
> > > > ScottW
>
> > > As I said before, I hope that you enjoy that "music".
>
> > * w w w .ubu . com /film/ligeti metro.html
> Oy! Second place for my worst musical nightmare! The first being
> having to play snare in Bolero ;-)
I couldn't listen to the whole thing. The rich harmonic overtones, the
raw human emotion...
I have tears in my eyes.
Re: Look out Jenn
"ScottW" <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:c23d7f22-8699-4a11-b646-b7e6a3b5b38a@q1g2000prf.googlegroups . com
> On May 16, 1:10 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com >
> wrote:
>> "ScottW" <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff7841d1@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com
>>
>>> Do any two performances, even by the same conductor,
>>> sound the same?
>>
>> Chances of something as long and complex as an
>> orchestral work sounding the same = 0.
>>
>> Even short solo pieces are easy to ABX from performance
>> to performance.
>>
>>> We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't
>>> sound the same as the original.
>>
>> Depends on how you define the origional. If you define
>> the original as being the electrical signal going into
>> the recorder than the possibilities of "sounds the same"
>> are good.
>
> The original sound.
>
>> However the action of microphones and mixing
>> are easy to pick out in a close listening test.
>
> Exactly. So it seems that to recreate the original
> sound, the best way is to use the original instruments.
> The players and conductor (not really required) appear to
> be technically replaceable with automatons.
So it would seem. Some instruments are fairly well replicated by wavetable
synthesis.
"ScottW" <ScottW48@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:c23d7f22-8699-4a11-b646-b7e6a3b5b38a@q1g2000prf.googlegroups . com
> On May 16, 1:10 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com >
> wrote:
>> "ScottW" <Scott...@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:0a3e166c-236c-44e3-8b7e-8a7eff7841d1@l17g2000pri.googlegroups . com
>>
>>> Do any two performances, even by the same conductor,
>>> sound the same?
>>
>> Chances of something as long and complex as an
>> orchestral work sounding the same = 0.
>>
>> Even short solo pieces are easy to ABX from performance
>> to performance.
>>
>>> We're talking about replicating. Even a recording won't
>>> sound the same as the original.
>>
>> Depends on how you define the origional. If you define
>> the original as being the electrical signal going into
>> the recorder than the possibilities of "sounds the same"
>> are good.
>
> The original sound.
>
>> However the action of microphones and mixing
>> are easy to pick out in a close listening test.
>
> Exactly. So it seems that to recreate the original
> sound, the best way is to use the original instruments.
> The players and conductor (not really required) appear to
> be technically replaceable with automatons.
So it would seem. Some instruments are fairly well replicated by wavetable
synthesis.
Re: Look out Jenn
On 16 Mai, 20:22, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
> So it would seem. Some instruments are fairly well replicated by wavetable
> synthesis.-
Can we hear the blare of trumpes right now?
On 16 Mai, 20:22, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
> So it would seem. Some instruments are fairly well replicated by wavetable
> synthesis.-
Can we hear the blare of trumpes right now?
Re: Look out Jenn
In article
<5196c088-abac-4b49-8fdc-fae0402a9f04@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups . com >,
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydeslick@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On 16 Mai, 20:22, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
>
>
> > So it would seem. Some instruments are fairly well replicated by wavetable
> > synthesis.-
>
>
> Can we hear the blare of trumpes right now?
Nope, no trumpets there ;-)
In article
<5196c088-abac-4b49-8fdc-fae0402a9f04@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups . com >,
Clyde Slick <Mr.clydeslick@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On 16 Mai, 20:22, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop . com > wrote:
>
>
> > So it would seem. Some instruments are fairly well replicated by wavetable
> > synthesis.-
>
>
> Can we hear the blare of trumpes right now?
Nope, no trumpets there ;-)
