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Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
Hi there,
I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing on my Asus P5K
seems to have lots of electrical noise on the ground and occasional
dropouts (unchangeable and shared IRQ), which I hope will get better
with a dedicated internal card.
My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
Thanks for any thoughts,
Boris
Hi there,
I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing on my Asus P5K
seems to have lots of electrical noise on the ground and occasional
dropouts (unchangeable and shared IRQ), which I hope will get better
with a dedicated internal card.
My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
Thanks for any thoughts,
Boris
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:16:42 +0200, Boris Lau
<boris.lau@stud.tu-ilmenau.de> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing on my Asus P5K
>seems to have lots of electrical noise on the ground and occasional
>dropouts (unchangeable and shared IRQ), which I hope will get better
>with a dedicated internal card.
>
>My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
>differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
>
>Thanks for any thoughts,
>
>Boris
Not really, what does matter is that you try each slot to find the one
with the least cluttered IRQ. Data rates won't come close to the
potential transfer speeds of either of these slot types.
d
--
Pearce Consulting
http :// www .pearce.uk,com
On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:16:42 +0200, Boris Lau
<boris.lau@stud.tu-ilmenau.de> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing on my Asus P5K
>seems to have lots of electrical noise on the ground and occasional
>dropouts (unchangeable and shared IRQ), which I hope will get better
>with a dedicated internal card.
>
>My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
>differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
>
>Thanks for any thoughts,
>
>Boris
Not really, what does matter is that you try each slot to find the one
with the least cluttered IRQ. Data rates won't come close to the
potential transfer speeds of either of these slot types.
d
--
Pearce Consulting
http :// www .pearce.uk,com
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
Hi Don,
Don Pearce wrote:
>> My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
>> differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
> Not really, what does matter is that you try each slot to find the one
> with the least cluttered IRQ. Data rates won't come close to the
> potential transfer speeds of either of these slot types.
I was asking, because PCIe seems to have a different way of handling
IRQs, and I thought that maybe they would not conflict. But I will do
the swapping.
Boris
Hi Don,
Don Pearce wrote:
>> My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
>> differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
> Not really, what does matter is that you try each slot to find the one
> with the least cluttered IRQ. Data rates won't come close to the
> potential transfer speeds of either of these slot types.
I was asking, because PCIe seems to have a different way of handling
IRQs, and I thought that maybe they would not conflict. But I will do
the swapping.
Boris
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
"Boris Lau" <boris.lau@stud.tu-ilmenau.de> wrote in message
news:g0jmub$4ao$1@inn-newsserver.rz.tu-ilmenau.de
> Hi there,
>
> I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing
> on my Asus P5K seems to have lots of electrical noise on
> the ground and occasional dropouts (unchangeable and
> shared IRQ), which I hope will get better with a
> dedicated internal card.
> My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think
> these two options differ in their likelihood of providing
> dropout-free data transfer?
The differences will vary with your PC.
FWIW I've had good luck with PCI FW cards.
PCI FW cards are often the most economical.
More important may be to get a FW card with the right FW chip on it. Many
audio interface vendors seem to be partial to the TI FW chip.
"Boris Lau" <boris.lau@stud.tu-ilmenau.de> wrote in message
news:g0jmub$4ao$1@inn-newsserver.rz.tu-ilmenau.de
> Hi there,
>
> I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing
> on my Asus P5K seems to have lots of electrical noise on
> the ground and occasional dropouts (unchangeable and
> shared IRQ), which I hope will get better with a
> dedicated internal card.
> My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think
> these two options differ in their likelihood of providing
> dropout-free data transfer?
The differences will vary with your PC.
FWIW I've had good luck with PCI FW cards.
PCI FW cards are often the most economical.
More important may be to get a FW card with the right FW chip on it. Many
audio interface vendors seem to be partial to the TI FW chip.
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
> More important may be to get a FW card with the right FW chip on it. Many
> audio interface vendors seem to be partial to the TI FW chip.
equally important, IMO, is also to have good and stable software drivers,
which may well become weakest point in the chain. i am speaking from my
experience with TC Konnekt series of audio interfaces, particularly Konnekt
24D. i've been struggling to make it work for over 1.5 years with my
laptop, until i gave up and bought myself E-MU 1616m (PCMCIA), which
appeared to be 100% reliable both in terms of hardware and accompanying
software.
-andrejs
> More important may be to get a FW card with the right FW chip on it. Many
> audio interface vendors seem to be partial to the TI FW chip.
equally important, IMO, is also to have good and stable software drivers,
which may well become weakest point in the chain. i am speaking from my
experience with TC Konnekt series of audio interfaces, particularly Konnekt
24D. i've been struggling to make it work for over 1.5 years with my
laptop, until i gave up and bought myself E-MU 1616m (PCMCIA), which
appeared to be 100% reliable both in terms of hardware and accompanying
software.
-andrejs
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
"andrejs eigus" <loco@andrews.lv> wrote in message
news:g0l1rq$7j4$1@aioe.org
>> More important may be to get a FW card with the right FW
>> chip on it. Many audio interface vendors seem to be
>> partial to the TI FW chip.
>
> equally important, IMO, is also to have good and stable
> software drivers, which may well become weakest point in
> the chain.
Every FW card I've seen uses the standard XP drivers. With appropriate
hardware, they get the job done.
> i am speaking from my experience with TC
> Konnekt series of audio interfaces, particularly Konnekt
> 24D. i've been struggling to make it work for over 1.5
> years with my laptop,
Laptops have a checkered reputation when it comes to FW interfaces.
> until i gave up and bought myself
> E-MU 1616m (PCMCIA), which appeared to be 100% reliable
> both in terms of hardware and accompanying software.
Showing the benefits of a closed system, where the vendor provides the pc
interface card, and the audio interface.
"andrejs eigus" <loco@andrews.lv> wrote in message
news:g0l1rq$7j4$1@aioe.org
>> More important may be to get a FW card with the right FW
>> chip on it. Many audio interface vendors seem to be
>> partial to the TI FW chip.
>
> equally important, IMO, is also to have good and stable
> software drivers, which may well become weakest point in
> the chain.
Every FW card I've seen uses the standard XP drivers. With appropriate
hardware, they get the job done.
> i am speaking from my experience with TC
> Konnekt series of audio interfaces, particularly Konnekt
> 24D. i've been struggling to make it work for over 1.5
> years with my laptop,
Laptops have a checkered reputation when it comes to FW interfaces.
> until i gave up and bought myself
> E-MU 1616m (PCMCIA), which appeared to be 100% reliable
> both in terms of hardware and accompanying software.
Showing the benefits of a closed system, where the vendor provides the pc
interface card, and the audio interface.
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
>> equally important, IMO, is also to have good and stable
>> software drivers, which may well become weakest point in
>> the chain.
>
> Every FW card I've seen uses the standard XP drivers. With appropriate
> hardware, they get the job done.
my fault. i thought the OP was asking for firewire audio interface
suggestions.
-andrejs
>> equally important, IMO, is also to have good and stable
>> software drivers, which may well become weakest point in
>> the chain.
>
> Every FW card I've seen uses the standard XP drivers. With appropriate
> hardware, they get the job done.
my fault. i thought the OP was asking for firewire audio interface
suggestions.
-andrejs
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
On 2008-05-17, Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop,com > wrote:
>
>> until i gave up and bought myself
>> E-MU 1616m (PCMCIA), which appeared to be 100% reliable
>> both in terms of hardware and accompanying software.
>
> Showing the benefits of a closed system, where the vendor provides the pc
> interface card, and the audio interface.
And the costs in terms of reduction in choice, elevated prices,
difficulty of changing suppliers later.
- Richard
(Do I want to know what a brainwave generator does, and is this islam
thing a new make of mixing desk?)
--
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard dot Corfield at gmail dot com
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twilight Zone
On 2008-05-17, Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop,com > wrote:
>
>> until i gave up and bought myself
>> E-MU 1616m (PCMCIA), which appeared to be 100% reliable
>> both in terms of hardware and accompanying software.
>
> Showing the benefits of a closed system, where the vendor provides the pc
> interface card, and the audio interface.
And the costs in terms of reduction in choice, elevated prices,
difficulty of changing suppliers later.
- Richard
(Do I want to know what a brainwave generator does, and is this islam
thing a new make of mixing desk?)
--
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard dot Corfield at gmail dot com
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twilight Zone
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@REVERSE.uk.me.littondale> wrote in
news:slrng2vubr.25p.Richard.Corfield@gateway.internal.littondale.dyndns.o
rg:
> (Do I want to know what a brainwave generator does, and is this islam
> thing a new make of mixing desk?)
The Islam is a takeoff on the Manley SLAM.
Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@REVERSE.uk.me.littondale> wrote in
news:slrng2vubr.25p.Richard.Corfield@gateway.internal.littondale.dyndns.o
rg:
> (Do I want to know what a brainwave generator does, and is this islam
> thing a new make of mixing desk?)
The Islam is a takeoff on the Manley SLAM.
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
"Boris Lau" <boris.lau@stud.tu-ilmenau.de> wrote in message
news:g0jmub$4ao$1@inn-newsserver.rz.tu-ilmenau.de...
> Hi there,
>
> I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing on my Asus P5K
> seems to have lots of electrical noise on the ground and occasional
> dropouts (unchangeable and shared IRQ), which I hope will get better
> with a dedicated internal card.
>
> My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
> differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> Boris
Boris,
Three issues:
1. Motherboards that still have PCI slots have bridge logic in the chipset,
which uses a driver. I have encountered a situation in a Gigabyte board
where the PCI performance was substandard. The symptom was extremely low
throughput on an Ethernet card. If you choose PCI-e, you bypass a possible
problem.
2. If there are two PCI cards, it could be said that the PCI interface is
inferior, because it shares bandwidth.
3. On the other side of the coin, PCI-e Firewire cards have gotten some
pretty bad reviews. Check Newegg.
Sorry the above does not lead to a conclusion. The most respected card here
in the U.S. is the ADS Pyro, which happens to be PCI. If you can't get it,
be sure to get a TI chipset -- that's really important.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
"Boris Lau" <boris.lau@stud.tu-ilmenau.de> wrote in message
news:g0jmub$4ao$1@inn-newsserver.rz.tu-ilmenau.de...
> Hi there,
>
> I want to buy a new firewire interface. The onboard thing on my Asus P5K
> seems to have lots of electrical noise on the ground and occasional
> dropouts (unchangeable and shared IRQ), which I hope will get better
> with a dedicated internal card.
>
> My mainboard can take both, PCI and PCIe. Do you think these two options
> differ in their likelihood of providing dropout-free data transfer?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> Boris
Boris,
Three issues:
1. Motherboards that still have PCI slots have bridge logic in the chipset,
which uses a driver. I have encountered a situation in a Gigabyte board
where the PCI performance was substandard. The symptom was extremely low
throughput on an Ethernet card. If you choose PCI-e, you bypass a possible
problem.
2. If there are two PCI cards, it could be said that the PCI interface is
inferior, because it shares bandwidth.
3. On the other side of the coin, PCI-e Firewire cards have gotten some
pretty bad reviews. Check Newegg.
Sorry the above does not lead to a conclusion. The most respected card here
in the U.S. is the ADS Pyro, which happens to be PCI. If you can't get it,
be sure to get a TI chipset -- that's really important.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Re: Firewire interface card - PCI or PCIe?
If you're on a budget, i have good experiences with cheap PCI cards with VIA
chipset.
My Dell laptop with Ricoh FW chipset gives me lots of trouble
unfortunately...
(anyone have any advice on a brand or type of Express Card fw interface?
(not PCMCIA!))
If you're on a budget, i have good experiences with cheap PCI cards with VIA
chipset.
My Dell laptop with Ricoh FW chipset gives me lots of trouble
unfortunately...
(anyone have any advice on a brand or type of Express Card fw interface?
(not PCMCIA!))
