PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

AMD hardware is cheaper money wise but the Intel Core 2 Duo processor
is superior in performance & performance per watt. It's been that way
since 2006.

As for ECC memory, Steve L already answered that one.

Mike
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Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:09:06 GMT, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d . com >
wrote:

>It's been time to update my old 266 MHz Pentium studio computer for a
>few years now. After years of indecision and not being able to find out
>enough about what was available to decide what components to buy, I

did as we all do. Great post, as always. Thanks also to our resident
uPC gearheads and our deeply embedded spy in PDX-land. Have any of
y'all been able to finish viewing the first Tarkovsky, _Ivan's
Childhood_ ?

I haven't yet. Some things take more time than you'd guess at
first blush.

Computers are an especially wonderful confabulation of the
industrial ultimatum and the intensely personal future.




Also, I'm re-rereading the first Ellen Gilchrist novel _Annunciation_,
and am reminded of how much I miss my copies of her first two
collections of stories. Anybody who appreciates Faulkner or Eudora
Welty will luv _Victory Over Japan_ and _In the Land of Dreamy
Dreams_. Best shit since.

Loaned 'em to a pretty woman who not long enough afterwards became the
widow of a great author of a book about the blues (_Deep Blues_
by Robert Palmer).

That's the kind of thing you remember when reading Ellen Gilchrist,
all the best things in your life. Not, in any way, to try to
encourage anyone to read her. Heaven forefend,


Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck
"I have a gift for enraging people, but if I ever bore you,
it'll be with a knife." -Louise Brooks

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors


"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
news:qepk24l5thmmagaabh0m3idgu743qep5ih@4ax . com ...
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:09:06 GMT, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d . com >
> wrote:
>
>>It's been time to update my old 266 MHz Pentium studio computer for a
>>few years now. After years of indecision and not being able to find out
>>enough about what was available to decide what components to buy, I
>
> did as we all do. Great post, as always. Thanks also to our resident
> uPC gearheads and our deeply embedded spy in PDX-land. Have any of
> y'all been able to finish viewing the first Tarkovsky, _Ivan's
> Childhood_ ?
>
> I haven't yet. Some things take more time than you'd guess at
> first blush.
>
> Computers are an especially wonderful confabulation of the
> industrial ultimatum and the intensely personal future.
>
>
>
>
> Also, I'm re-rereading the first Ellen Gilchrist novel _Annunciation_,
> and am reminded of how much I miss my copies of her first two
> collections of stories. Anybody who appreciates Faulkner or Eudora
> Welty will luv _Victory Over Japan_ and _In the Land of Dreamy
> Dreams_. Best shit since.
>
I'm going to look for her. The last incarnation of Southern literary genius?

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

On Wed, 14 May 2008 07:11:50 -0400, "Soundhaspriority"
<nowhere@nowhere . com > wrote:

> The last incarnation of Southern literary genius?

Last? Them's faught'n words, Suhr.


Chris Hornbeck
"I have a gift for enraging people, but if I ever bore you,
it'll be with a knife." -Louise Brooks

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors


"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
news:k32n24hakcqovsfhcct5enlupicn9kt2o1@4ax . com ...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 07:11:50 -0400, "Soundhaspriority"
> <nowhere@nowhere . com > wrote:
>
>> The last incarnation of Southern literary genius?
>
> Last? Them's faught'n words, Suhr.
>
>
> Chris Hornbeck
> "I have a gift for enraging people, but if I ever bore you,
> it'll be with a knife." -Louise Brooks

Chris, did you read "Salvation on Sand Mountain", by Michael Covington?
* w w w .dpo.uab.edu/~dbutcher/216/projectsf02/covington2/index.htm

It inspired me to write a screenplay.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

On Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:48 -0400, "Soundhaspriority"
<nowhere@nowhere . com > wrote:

>Chris, did you read "Salvation on Sand Mountain", by Michael Covington?
> * w w w .dpo.uab.edu/~dbutcher/216/projectsf02/covington2/index.htm
>
>It inspired me to write a screenplay.

He apparently writes under the name Dennis Covington. Haven't
read it but I'll try to find a copy to take to Florida with
me next week.

Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck
"I have a gift for enraging people, but if I ever bore you,
it'll be with a knife." -Louise Brooks

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors


"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
news:a16n249172gd6kheu48h34ol0iqdedqcc4@4ax . com ...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:48 -0400, "Soundhaspriority"
> <nowhere@nowhere . com > wrote:
>
>>Chris, did you read "Salvation on Sand Mountain", by Michael Covington?
>> * w w w .dpo.uab.edu/~dbutcher/216/projectsf02/covington2/index.htm
>>
>>It inspired me to write a screenplay.
>
> He apparently writes under the name Dennis Covington. Haven't
> read it but I'll try to find a copy to take to Florida with
> me next week.
>
> Much thanks, as always,
>
I don't think he has a different pen name. I'm probably making a mistake at
recollection.

I promise you it's a gem of a spiritual journey.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:09:06 GMT, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d . com >
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write:

>
> One difference seems to be that some include
>VGA graphics and some don't, requiring a separate graphics board.

The Gigabyte you showed below looked like a good choice.

BTW, by all that you hold holy, do *not* buy any system (laptop or
desktop) that shares the system RAM with the video. You're asking for
nothing but a drop in system performance with that.


--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

> It's been time to update my old 266 MHz Pentium studio computer for a
> few years now. After years of indecision and not being able to find out
Yes - you need a new DAW.

> So I'm back in the market. What is there to know about "chipsets" and
> why should I choose one over another? We have P31, P35, G33, X38, X48
> and probably some others.
P35 is fine for a DAW. You'll pay a premium for the nwer X38 chipset.

> I'd really like to buy everything from a local vendor so it'll be
> convenient to return anything that doesn't work right but all we have
> around here is Micro Center. They turn over their stock so fast that by
> the time I research what they have and decide to make a purchase, they
> no longer have it in stock. So I'll probably have to buy from an on-line
> vendor. I know that NewEgg . com is pretty popular and has a good
> reputation for fair prices and good service.
Most of the components I use come from NewEgg . com but their prices
aren't always the best. I also use ZipZoomFly.

> Yesterday's shopping list (which might be good for a week or two before
> something goes out of style <g>) is:
>
> Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L (P35 chipset) motherboard
> 2 GB DDR2/800 RAM
> E6750 CPU
> Zalman CNPS7700-CU fancy fan
> ATI Radeon HD3450 PCI-e16 graphics board
> 250 GB SATA 7200 RPM hard drive
> Cheap SATA Lightscribe DVD drive
> Antec Sonata Designer 500 case/power supply
The mobo you selected uses faster memory than you are looking at. I
would suggest using DDR2 1066. I also prefer using 2 disk - one for
OS & app's and one for data, but that's your choice. However, if you
are going with one drive, then I would suggest getting a larger one.

> The whole thing comes out at about $615 without assembly or OS, another
> $165 ready to go, which seems pretty fair to me. MWave is in California
> so it'll have to come all the way across the country. Their shipping
> charge is $45, more than the local tax would be (I guess it's not
> expensive enough to be the other way around).
That's a pretty good price. It's more than that from NewEgg. I added
them up.

> Does any or all of this makes sense? If I were to get one of the "Audio
> preconfigured" systems from places like Sweetwater, Rain, or that other
> place that pops up often that's the same name (but completely different
> company) as the company that makes microphones, that I don't remember,
> I'll get what they want to give me, and the price seems to be 25% or so
> higher than choosing the parts and paying for assembly.
You'll pay for that. I'd also be happy to put together a quote for
you if you're considering going the Sweetwater route.

> Is this as good a motherboard as any other one? If not, why (other than
> that YOU chose something else) would another one be better? Is the 2.66
> GHz CPU a reasonable level between bottom of the heap (which the Dell
> had) and cutting edge? And does the P35 chipset do what it needs to do?
I've used Gigabyte mobo's and they seem to work fine. I usually use
Asus but that's a personal preference thing. The 2.66 CPU is a
reasonable compromise.


Mike
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Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors

Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d . com > wrote:

>It's been time to update my old 266 MHz Pentium studio computer for a
>few years now. After years of indecision and not being able to find out
>enough about what was available to decide what components to buy, I bit
>the bullet and bought a ready-to-go brand new Dell for $400 at Micro
>Center. It had enough power to do everything I needed, came with WinXP
>so no Vista hassles, and all the software I loaded on it ran just fine.
>But the rub was that it was shy on ports that I needed to integrate it
>into my working environment and the short story is that I eventually
>gave up filling holes and finding "should work" solutions that didn't,
>and my neighbor bought it from me for the price I paid for it.
>
>So I'm back in the market. What is there to know about "chipsets" and
>why should I choose one over another? We have P31, P35, G33, X38, X48
>and probably some others. One difference seems to be that some include
>VGA graphics and some don't, requiring a separate graphics board. There
>also seems to be a difference in what types of memory they'll talk to.
>Do I need to care?
>
>Also, are there still motherboards to avoid, either because of
>reliability or incompatibility with certain software? I know there was
>an issue with some electrolytic capacitors (apparently made with the
>wrong formula for the electrolyte) that failed in a short time, but
>apparently they've all vanished from the market. Anything else?
>
>I'd really like to buy everything from a local vendor so it'll be
>convenient to return anything that doesn't work right but all we have
>around here is Micro Center. They turn over their stock so fast that by
>the time I research what they have and decide to make a purchase, they
>no longer have it in stock. So I'll probably have to buy from an on-line
>vendor. I know that NewEgg . com is pretty popular and has a good
>reputation for fair prices and good service.
>
>I've been looking at MWave . com , the attraction there being that when you
>order a motherboard, memory, and processor from them, for ten bucks
>extra, they'll put them together and test the assembly. And if you buy
>enough stuff to make up a full computer, for $80 they'll put it all
>together and test it. I'm sure I can put it all together myself, but
>knowing that I won't have to send something back is probably worth the
>extra $80.
>
>Yesterday's shopping list (which might be good for a week or two before
>something goes out of style <g>) is:
>
>Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L (P35 chipset) motherboard
>2 GB DDR2/800 RAM
>E6750 CPU
>Zalman CNPS7700-CU fancy fan
>ATI Radeon HD3450 PCI-e16 graphics board
>250 GB SATA 7200 RPM hard drive
>Cheap SATA Lightscribe DVD drive
>Antec Sonata Designer 500 case/power supply
>
>The motherboard has the two PS/2 mouse and keyboard ports that I need
>for compatibility with my KVM switch and Mackie HDR, a parallel port for
>my Sequoia dongle. Those were the biggest hangups with the Dell, which I
>couldn't resolve with several different adapters. There are three plain
>PCI slots so I can install my Lynx L22 card and a Firewire card that
>works with the Firewire audio devices that I have (I put that in the
>Dell and they were all happy there) and still have one PCI slot left
>over if I need it.
>
>The whole thing comes out at about $615 without assembly or OS, another
>$165 ready to go, which seems pretty fair to me. MWave is in California
>so it'll have to come all the way across the country. Their shipping
>charge is $45, more than the local tax would be (I guess it's not
>expensive enough to be the other way around).
>
>Does any or all of this makes sense? If I were to get one of the "Audio
>preconfigured" systems from places like Sweetwater, Rain, or that other
>place that pops up often that's the same name (but completely different
>company) as the company that makes microphones, that I don't remember,
>I'll get what they want to give me, and the price seems to be 25% or so
>higher than choosing the parts and paying for assembly.
>
>Is this as good a motherboard as any other one? If not, why (other than
>that YOU chose something else) would another one be better? Is the 2.66
>GHz CPU a reasonable level between bottom of the heap (which the Dell
>had) and cutting edge? And does the P35 chipset do what it needs to do?

Hey Mike, that's virtually the same system I recommended to you months
back when you were last deliberating. Advice which you, graciously,
completely ignored. Well you don't mention the hard drive make or
model, try and get a quiet one eh?

Well best of luck when you take the plunge, I'm sure it'll happen
before the decade is up. :-)





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S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Re: PC Motherboard Chipsets and Parts Vendors


"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d . com > wrote


Same recommendation I made last time. Find an Intel or ASUS Mobo
with the latest Intel chipset... see if you can still find a single-core Intel
CPU at 3.2 or 3.4 Ghz... and get a couple of gig of Corsair RAM. There
should be on-board video, USB, and firewire, with jumpers for the front-
panel access you have on the Antec case. If the Antec PS has an 80mm
fan that is exposed on the rear of the box, look for a different power supply
with an internal (inside) 120mm fan and use the stock PSU as a backup.
Everything else is pretty much incidental.

Build it yourself and loose the apprehensive nature. ;-) It's a blast
and extremely addictive.

DM








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