My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

Hi:

My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of old
analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My optical
tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density encoding
[not variable-area] and is monaural. As with any photography, the tape
must not be exposed to light before recording or development and must
not be exposed to extraneous light [light other than the optical audio
signal] during or before recording/development. Such exposure will
corrupt the film. After recording. The film is developed using
photographic chemicals. This tape is like a reel-to-reel [i.e. not a
cassette] film using optics and chemistry instead of magnetism.


Regards,

Radium

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical equivalent
> of magnetic tape.....

Which would be remarkable if ANYONE reading this throught
you even knew what a variable density optical track was, or
that you had ever seen one. You have clearly never HEARD
one or even you wouldn't make such a silly statment.

How about sending your random thoughts to some new
newsgroups. Expand your horizons. You're old-hat here.

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

Richard Crowley wrote:
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
>> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical equivalent
>> of magnetic tape.....
>


> Which would be remarkable if ANYONE reading this throught
> you even knew what a variable density optical track was, or
> that you had ever seen one. You have clearly never HEARD
> one or even you wouldn't make such a silly statment.
>


What makes you think I've never heard music from a variable density
optical track?

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
> What makes you think I've never heard music from a variable density
> optical track?

Your statement above is what makes me think you don't know
what you're talking about.

OTOH, When was the last time you had your ears tested?

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

On 4/9/08 7:10 PM, in article 665b99F2i6v9nU1@mid.individual . net , "Richard
Crowley" <rcrowley@xp7rt . net > wrote:

> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
>> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical equivalent
>> of magnetic tape.....
>
> Which would be remarkable if ANYONE reading this throught
> you even knew what a variable density optical track was, or
> that you had ever seen one. You have clearly never HEARD
> one or even you wouldn't make such a silly statment.

Actually, what he describes is similar, if not identical, to my very old
16mm sound camera and projector.

>
> How about sending your random thoughts to some new
> newsgroups. Expand your horizons. You're old-hat here.

Old aluminum hat.

>
>

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

On Apr 9, 5:27 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite . com >
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
> equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of
old
> analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My
optical
> tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density
encoding
> [not variable-area] and is monaural. As with any photography, the
tape
> must not be exposed to light before recording or development and
must
> not be exposed to extraneous light [light other than the optical
audio
> signal] during or before recording/development. Such exposure will
> corrupt the film. After recording. The film is developed using
> photographic chemicals. This tape is like a reel-to-reel [i.e. not
a
> cassette] film using optics and chemistry instead of magnetism.
>
> Regards,
>
> Radium

The best that could be done in the day but with all things, there was
a GOOD reason to get away from that method. Any density variations
from chemical processes translate into amplitude variations. This is a
BAD thing and guess what, they sound bad too. Also there is stereo
optical variable area because I used to have to align them on the Rank
MkIII (actually Turbo 1 and Turbo 2) flying spot scanners (telecine)

GG

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

stratus46@yahoo . com wrote:
> On Apr 9, 5:27 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite . com >
> wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
> > equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of
> old
> > analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My
> optical
> > tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density
> encoding
> > [not variable-area] and is monaural. As with any photography, the
> tape
> > must not be exposed to light before recording or development and
> must
> > not be exposed to extraneous light [light other than the optical
> audio
> > signal] during or before recording/development. Such exposure will
> > corrupt the film. After recording. The film is developed using
> > photographic chemicals. This tape is like a reel-to-reel [i.e. not
> a
> > cassette] film using optics and chemistry instead of magnetism.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Radium
>


> The best that could be done in the day but with all things, there was
> a GOOD reason to get away from that method. Any density variations
> from chemical processes translate into amplitude variations. This is a
> BAD thing and guess what, they sound bad too. Also there is stereo
> optical variable area because I used to have to align them on the Rank
> MkIII (actually Turbo 1 and Turbo 2) flying spot scanners (telecine)


I prefer mono over stereo. Also, variable-density sounds better than
variable-area. Lee De Forest's technique.

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

On Apr 9, 6:35 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite . com >
wrote:
> stratu...@yahoo . com wrote:
<snip>
> > The best that could be done in the day but with all things, there
was
> > a GOOD reason to get away from that method. Any density
variations
> > from chemical processes translate into amplitude variations. This
is a
> > BAD thing and guess what, they sound bad too. Also there is
stereo
> > optical variable area because I used to have to align them on the
Rank
> > MkIII (actually Turbo 1 and Turbo 2) flying spot scanners
(telecine)
>
> I prefer mono over stereo. Also, variable-density sounds better
than
> variable-area. Lee De Forest's technique.

Of course you do. Everyone is entitled to their opinions even when
they're wrong.

I will now stop feeding the troll.

GG

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:27:04 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite . com > wrote:

>Hi:
>
>My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
>equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of old
>analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My optical
>tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density encoding
>[not variable-area] and is monaural.


Film is nonlinear as hell, which translates to distortion. That's one
reason that variable-area is better. They figured that out a long,
long time ago.

John

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:27:04 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
> <glucegen1@excite . com > wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
>> equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of old
>> analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My optical
>> tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density encoding
>> [not variable-area] and is monaural.
>


>
> Film is nonlinear as hell, which translates to distortion. That's one
> reason that variable-area is better. They figured that out a long,
> long time ago.


I've listened to both variable-density and variable-area. I prefer the
former over the latter.

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:38:00 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite . com > wrote:

>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:27:04 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
>> <glucegen1@excite . com > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
>>> equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of old
>>> analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My optical
>>> tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density encoding
>>> [not variable-area] and is monaural.
>>
>
>
>>
>> Film is nonlinear as hell, which translates to distortion. That's one
>> reason that variable-area is better. They figured that out a long,
>> long time ago.
>
>
>I've listened to both variable-density and variable-area. I prefer the
>former over the latter.

Well, some people like distortion. But there are lots easier ways to
make distortion.

What sort of light modulator do you use for recording?

John

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

John Larkin wrote:


> What sort of light modulator do you use for recording?


I don't have this analog audio storage device I described. It is
something I would like to have but I don't. While it is possible to make
this device, I am probably the only individual in the world who wants
it. Nobody else cares for something like this. This is mainly because I
am the only one who enjoys the artifacts associated with the
variable-density audio of old B&W movies. Most everyone else prefers VA
over VD. Not to mention, most also prefer magnetic over optical.

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical track of old films

John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:27:04 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
> <glucegen1@excite . com > wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
>> equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of old
>> analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My optical
>> tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density encoding
>> [not variable-area] and is monaural.
>
>
> Film is nonlinear as hell, which translates to distortion. That's one
> reason that variable-area is better. They figured that out a long,
> long time ago.
>
> John
>
>


In variable-density, what determines the quality of the audio?

Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical trackof old films

"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

>Hi:
>
>My favorite analog audio storage medium consist of the optical
>equivalent of magnetic tape. It is similar to the optical tracks of old
>analog B&W films -- except without the video or any images. My optical
>tape records audio optically on a tape using variable-density encoding
>[not variable-area] and is monaural. As with any photography, the tape
>must not be exposed to light before recording or development and must
>not be exposed to extraneous light [light other than the optical audio
>signal] during or before recording/development. Such exposure will
>corrupt the film. After recording. The film is developed using
>photographic chemicals. This tape is like a reel-to-reel [i.e. not a
>cassette] film using optics and chemistry instead of magnetism.

Your statements concerning what you favor and prefer in the way of audio
media are on-topic, but I am far more interested in details concerning
the gear you use, the performance levels you experience (bandwidth,
signal to noice ratio, distortion level, wow-and-flutter, etc.), and
the techniques you use. And there doesn't seem to be much point in
stating what you prefer without also telling why you prefer it.

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Re: My favorite analog audio storage = B&W variable-density optical trackof old films

"Michael R. Kesti" wrote...
> Your statements concerning what you favor and prefer in the way of
> audio
> media are on-topic, but I am far more interested in details concerning
> the gear you use, the performance levels you experience (bandwidth,
> signal to noice ratio, distortion level, wow-and-flutter, etc.), and
> the techniques you use. And there doesn't seem to be much point in
> stating what you prefer without also telling why you prefer it.

This should be entertaining. (Not.)
Good luck. I'm not interested in even more fiction from the
radioactive nut. Bye.