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Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 07:01
What determines the audio quality of a variable-density optical audio track within the B&W film itse

Hi:

Please don't get upset at me. I am simply asking a question out of
interest. Oh, and no this is not a homework question.

Variable-density was used to record sound into the those old B&W films
before variable-area was invented. I like VD better than VA.

What characteristics in the film material itself [e.g. the chemicals
within the film, "grains", etc. etc.] determines the audio quality [e.g.
the bandwidth, dynamic range, SNR, clipping point, treble response, etc.
etc.] of a VD track?


Thanks,

Radium

Reply from: Bob Woodward
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 09:49
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density optical audio track within the B&W film

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please don't get upset at me.

Noooo green guy.

but i do have a friendly advice.

If you don't understand, after repeatedly posing
your question about optical audio in this n.g.
that most visitors of this n.g. do have the
knowledge and / or experience that, any way of
optical audio has very bad quality compared to
todays alternatives and are therefore bored by
you, posing the same question over and over.

If you don't see yourselves that the way you
pose the same question several times and don't
change text or arguments even within one threat
is typical behavior for someone who is autistic.

That someone who does this on purpose is a troll

If you don't know that optical film has grain and
don't understand that, when recording audio on such
film, this grain translates straight into noise,

than please find another hobby.

Robert

Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 20:50
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density optical audio track within the B&W film

Bob Woodward wrote:


> If you don't know that optical film has grain and
> don't understand that, when recording audio on such
> film, this grain translates straight into noise,


AFAIK, higher-quality film is less grainy than lower quality. I could be
wrong though.

Reply from: jakdedert
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 16:17
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density optical audio track within the B&W film

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please don't get upset at me. I am simply asking a question out of
> interest. Oh, and no this is not a homework question.

< * w w w .cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/overview diagnostic criteria.htm#Asperger>

Diagnostic Criteria for 299.80 Asperger's Disorder
DSM IV-TR
...........................
B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests
and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and
restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or
focus
2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional
routines or rituals
3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger
flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
...........................

Many Asperger's sufferers develop coping mechanisms which serve them
well in later life. Certain technical occupations lend themselves to
high functioning for such people.

Others become usenet trolls....

jak

Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 20:47
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density optical audio track within the B&W film

jakdedert wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> Please don't get upset at me. I am simply asking a question out of
>> interest. Oh, and no this is not a homework question.
>
> < * w w w .cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/overview diagnostic criteria.htm#Asperger>
>
>
> Diagnostic Criteria for 299.80 Asperger's Disorder
> DSM IV-TR
> ...........................
> B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests
> and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
>
> 1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and
> restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or
> focus
> 2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional
> routines or rituals
> 3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger
> flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
> 4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
> ...........................
>
> Many Asperger's sufferers develop coping mechanisms which serve them
> well in later life. Certain technical occupations lend themselves to
> high functioning for such people.
>
> Others become usenet trolls....
>
> jak


I am diagnosed with Asperger's.

Reply from: Eeyore
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 20:51
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film i



"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.

I don't think that's going to surprise anyone. We're used to it by now.

So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting questions instead
of obsessive ones ?

Graham



Reply from: Gareth Magennis
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 23:48
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...
>
>
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>
>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.
>
> I don't think that's going to surprise anyone. We're used to it by now.
>
> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting questions
> instead
> of obsessive ones ?
>
> Graham
>
>

Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck with
it.



Gareth.



Reply from: Chris Hornbeck
Date: 16 Apr 2008, 02:07
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:51 GMT, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect . com > wrote:

>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...

>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>>
>>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.

>> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting questions
>> instead of obsessive ones ?

>Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck with
>it.

Boo fucking Hoo. "I can't help myself that I'm crossposting
to rec.audio.opinion. I can't help myself that I need to
take a rifle and shoot some strangers. I can't help myself
that I post but I don't read responses."

Bullshit. Is this a little girl or a grown man? Bull. Shit.
This stinks on ice.

Chris Hornbeck

Reply from: Gareth Magennis
Date: 16 Apr 2008, 11:15
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film


"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
news:2bga04l97k3kg4mbk9ap6osfhfve0dnu5u@4ax . com ...
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:51 GMT, "Gareth Magennis"
> <sound.service@btconnect . com > wrote:
>
>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...
>
>>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.
>
>>> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting
>>> questions
>>> instead of obsessive ones ?
>
>>Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck with
>>it.
>
> Boo fucking Hoo. "I can't help myself that I'm crossposting
> to rec.audio.opinion. I can't help myself that I need to
> take a rifle and shoot some strangers. I can't help myself
> that I post but I don't read responses."
>
> Bullshit. Is this a little girl or a grown man? Bull. Shit.
> This stinks on ice.
>
> Chris Hornbeck



Well, either Radium does have Asberger's, or he is a troll pretending to.
If anyone can cite any evidence to support one or the other posibilities
than please post it here.

If trolls annoy you, don't feed them. What is to gain from getting angry by
posting a reply? (Take some responsibility for the fact that it is YOU who
are getting angry, not anyone MAKING you angry)

If Asberger's sufferers annoy you, then don't reply to them either. Telling
such a person not to behave like someone with Asberger's is as ridiculous as
telling a depressed person to cheer up for God's sake, or an Agrophobic to
just get out of the house more.



Gareth.



Reply from: jakdedert
Date: 16 Apr 2008, 21:45
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film i

Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
> news:2bga04l97k3kg4mbk9ap6osfhfve0dnu5u@4ax . com ...
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:51 GMT, "Gareth Magennis"
>> <sound.service@btconnect . com > wrote:
>>
>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>> news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...
>>>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.
>>>> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting
>>>> questions
>>>> instead of obsessive ones ?
>>> Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck with
>>> it.
>> Boo fucking Hoo. "I can't help myself that I'm crossposting
>> to rec.audio.opinion. I can't help myself that I need to
>> take a rifle and shoot some strangers. I can't help myself
>> that I post but I don't read responses."
>>
>> Bullshit. Is this a little girl or a grown man? Bull. Shit.
>> This stinks on ice.
>>
>> Chris Hornbeck
>
>
>
> Well, either Radium does have Asberger's, or he is a troll pretending to.
> If anyone can cite any evidence to support one or the other posibilities
> than please post it here.
>
> If trolls annoy you, don't feed them. What is to gain from getting angry by
> posting a reply? (Take some responsibility for the fact that it is YOU who
> are getting angry, not anyone MAKING you angry)
>
> If Asberger's sufferers annoy you, then don't reply to them either. Telling
> such a person not to behave like someone with Asberger's is as ridiculous as
> telling a depressed person to cheer up for God's sake, or an Agrophobic to
> just get out of the house more.
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
Gareth, there is a lot of help available for Aspies, both online and
live. That's not to say that Aspies need to be 'cured'; but just that
they (We? Lately I've been wondering...) live in a NT (NeuroTypical)
world and need to interface with it in a meaningful way.

Simply indulging their excesses does little to accomplish that. Many
Aspies, once they have been diagnosed--either self or
professionally--develop coping strategies which allow them greater
freedom, and chance for success in the world at large.

jak

Reply from: Gareth Magennis
Date: 17 Apr 2008, 09:51
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film


"jakdedert" <jakdedert@bellsouth . net > wrote in message
news:GGsNj.9547$3v1.3758@bignews3.bellsouth . net ...
> Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> "Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
>> news:2bga04l97k3kg4mbk9ap6osfhfve0dnu5u@4ax . com ...
>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:51 GMT, "Gareth Magennis"
>>> <sound.service@btconnect . com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...
>>>>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.
>>>>> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting
>>>>> questions
>>>>> instead of obsessive ones ?
>>>> Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck
>>>> with
>>>> it.
>>> Boo fucking Hoo. "I can't help myself that I'm crossposting
>>> to rec.audio.opinion. I can't help myself that I need to
>>> take a rifle and shoot some strangers. I can't help myself
>>> that I post but I don't read responses."
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Is this a little girl or a grown man? Bull. Shit.
>>> This stinks on ice.
>>>
>>> Chris Hornbeck
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, either Radium does have Asberger's, or he is a troll pretending to.
>> If anyone can cite any evidence to support one or the other posibilities
>> than please post it here.
>>
>> If trolls annoy you, don't feed them. What is to gain from getting angry
>> by posting a reply? (Take some responsibility for the fact that it is
>> YOU who are getting angry, not anyone MAKING you angry)
>>
>> If Asberger's sufferers annoy you, then don't reply to them either.
>> Telling such a person not to behave like someone with Asberger's is as
>> ridiculous as telling a depressed person to cheer up for God's sake, or
>> an Agrophobic to just get out of the house more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
> Gareth, there is a lot of help available for Aspies, both online and live.
> That's not to say that Aspies need to be 'cured'; but just that they (We?
> Lately I've been wondering...) live in a NT (NeuroTypical) world and need
> to interface with it in a meaningful way.
>
> Simply indulging their excesses does little to accomplish that. Many
> Aspies, once they have been diagnosed--either self or
> professionally--develop coping strategies which allow them greater
> freedom, and chance for success in the world at large.
>
> jak



Reply from: Gareth Magennis
Date: 17 Apr 2008, 10:15
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film


"jakdedert" <jakdedert@bellsouth . net > wrote in message
news:GGsNj.9547$3v1.3758@bignews3.bellsouth . net ...
> Gareth Magennis wrote:
>> "Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
>> news:2bga04l97k3kg4mbk9ap6osfhfve0dnu5u@4ax . com ...
>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:51 GMT, "Gareth Magennis"
>>> <sound.service@btconnect . com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...
>>>>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.
>>>>> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting
>>>>> questions
>>>>> instead of obsessive ones ?
>>>> Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck
>>>> with
>>>> it.
>>> Boo fucking Hoo. "I can't help myself that I'm crossposting
>>> to rec.audio.opinion. I can't help myself that I need to
>>> take a rifle and shoot some strangers. I can't help myself
>>> that I post but I don't read responses."
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Is this a little girl or a grown man? Bull. Shit.
>>> This stinks on ice.
>>>
>>> Chris Hornbeck
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, either Radium does have Asberger's, or he is a troll pretending to.
>> If anyone can cite any evidence to support one or the other posibilities
>> than please post it here.
>>
>> If trolls annoy you, don't feed them. What is to gain from getting angry
>> by posting a reply? (Take some responsibility for the fact that it is
>> YOU who are getting angry, not anyone MAKING you angry)
>>
>> If Asberger's sufferers annoy you, then don't reply to them either.
>> Telling such a person not to behave like someone with Asberger's is as
>> ridiculous as telling a depressed person to cheer up for God's sake, or
>> an Agrophobic to just get out of the house more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
> Gareth, there is a lot of help available for Aspies, both online and live.
> That's not to say that Aspies need to be 'cured'; but just that they (We?
> Lately I've been wondering...) live in a NT (NeuroTypical) world and need
> to interface with it in a meaningful way.
>
> Simply indulging their excesses does little to accomplish that. Many
> Aspies, once they have been diagnosed--either self or
> professionally--develop coping strategies which allow them greater
> freedom, and chance for success in the world at large.
>
> jak


The dilemma I guess is whether such Asberger's sufferers are Trolls, because
they behave in a Troll like manner, and Trolls are not and should not be
accepted on Usenet, or they do not intend to be Trolls so therefore aren't
really, and a little positive discrimination/greater understanding of their
predicament is required.

I also understand that the latter may not be in anyone's best interests, as
you outline above.


Cheers,

Gareth.






Reply from: jakdedert
Date: 17 Apr 2008, 17:46
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film i

Gareth Magennis wrote:
> "jakdedert" <jakdedert@bellsouth . net > wrote in message
> news:GGsNj.9547$3v1.3758@bignews3.bellsouth . net ...
>> Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>> "Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att . net > wrote in message
>>> news:2bga04l97k3kg4mbk9ap6osfhfve0dnu5u@4ax . com ...
>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:51 GMT, "Gareth Magennis"
>>>> <sound.service@btconnect . com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>>>> news:4804F94B.8E7C0BE4@hotmail . com ...
>>>>>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am diagnosed with Asperger's.
>>>>>> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> instead of obsessive ones ?
>>>>> Because people with Asberger's can't do that. They're kind of stuck
>>>>> with
>>>>> it.
>>>> Boo fucking Hoo. "I can't help myself that I'm crossposting
>>>> to rec.audio.opinion. I can't help myself that I need to
>>>> take a rifle and shoot some strangers. I can't help myself
>>>> that I post but I don't read responses."
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Is this a little girl or a grown man? Bull. Shit.
>>>> This stinks on ice.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Hornbeck
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, either Radium does have Asberger's, or he is a troll pretending to.
>>> If anyone can cite any evidence to support one or the other posibilities
>>> than please post it here.
>>>
>>> If trolls annoy you, don't feed them. What is to gain from getting angry
>>> by posting a reply? (Take some responsibility for the fact that it is
>>> YOU who are getting angry, not anyone MAKING you angry)
>>>
>>> If Asberger's sufferers annoy you, then don't reply to them either.
>>> Telling such a person not to behave like someone with Asberger's is as
>>> ridiculous as telling a depressed person to cheer up for God's sake, or
>>> an Agrophobic to just get out of the house more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>> Gareth, there is a lot of help available for Aspies, both online and live.
>> That's not to say that Aspies need to be 'cured'; but just that they (We?
>> Lately I've been wondering...) live in a NT (NeuroTypical) world and need
>> to interface with it in a meaningful way.
>>
>> Simply indulging their excesses does little to accomplish that. Many
>> Aspies, once they have been diagnosed--either self or
>> professionally--develop coping strategies which allow them greater
>> freedom, and chance for success in the world at large.
>>
>> jak
>
>
> The dilemma I guess is whether such Asberger's sufferers are Trolls, because
> they behave in a Troll like manner, and Trolls are not and should not be
> accepted on Usenet, or they do not intend to be Trolls so therefore aren't
> really, and a little positive discrimination/greater understanding of their
> predicament is required.
>
> I also understand that the latter may not be in anyone's best interests, as
> you outline above.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gareth.
>
I suspect many Trolls are Aspies. Aspies suffer many other traits which
make it difficult for them to interface with NT's. Some of those traits
make (some of) them extremely successful in certain fields, like IT and
research.

Most successful Aspies have learned what those differences are and how
to mitigate--and adapt to--them...usually by heeding what's been told to
them concerning their excesses.

jak

Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 16 Apr 2008, 02:51
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudio track within the B&W film i

Eeyore wrote:


> So, come one, why not join in and ask some genuinely interesting questions instead
> of obsessive ones ?


Ok. What types of audio artifacts are specifically-associated with VD
optical tracks? What are these artifacts caused by?

Reply from: Eeyore
Date: 16 Apr 2008, 07:59
Re: What determines the audio quality of a variable-density opticalaudiotrack within the B&W film it



"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
>
> > So, come one, why not join in and ask some s instead
> > of obsessive ones ?
>
> Ok. What types of audio artifacts are specifically-associated with VD
> optical tracks? What are these artifacts caused by?

Unfortunately it doesn't really count as a 'genuinely interesting question'. I don't
think anyone gives a damn. It's wholly irrelevant to anything.

Graham




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