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OT: revenge against Creative Technology

Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 09 May, 03:03
Hi:

Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.

Sadly for me, Creative Technology does not want to talk about Creative
Music Synth. I've contacted them in almost any way, shape, and form but
not gotten any good info. I rarely get a response and when I do, it's
usually crap. They told me, SB PCI 128 and Ensoniq contains Creative
Music Synth. I already knew they were wrong because one of my friends
has both those cards. I've checked the MIDI output for both those cards
-- no Creative Music Synth. Creative Technology are a bunch of liars.

I feel like burning their skins off to extract their intellectual
property. I want to force them to reveal each and every technical aspect
of Creative Music Synth to me. I want to sear their skins with yellow
fire whenever they refuse to give me the correct info. If they ignore
me, I want to burn them. If they intentionally give me the wrong answer,
I want to burn them.

Burn Creative Technology to forcibly steal their intellectual property
rights. Do this interrogation style.

Creative Technology are a bunch of jerks who deserve to be burnt alive
with scalding molten hot stinky cheddar cheese and then with yellow fires.

I want to heinously torture and humiliate these sickos until they
provide each and every bit of their info.

I politely asked them about information on Creative Music Synth. One
person named "Catherina" responded. This was the only reply I ever got
to my question. Before I read the reply, I was jubilant. I was extremely
optimistic and thought that person would assist me and tell me how
Creative Music Synth works and other wonderful technical details. I
couldn't have been more wrong.

The message by the Cathy b!+C# read "I've removed this message and any
similar messages because you posted them to more than one forum"

I was so upset and disappointed. I just wanted to find out where that
piece of Kathy human kakaa lives and burn her alive -- along with the
rest of Creative Technology.

I really have a hard time not wishing harm on cold-hearted scum like
Creative Technology and its "Catherina".

Burn Catherina and Creative Technology. Burn them with stinky scalding
molten hot stinky cheddar cheese and then with yellow fires.


Regards,

Radium

Reply from: Eeyore
Date: 09 May, 03:30


"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.

They're shit. Get something decent FFS !

Graham


Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 09 May, 05:29
Eeyore wrote:
>
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>
> They're shit. Get something decent FFS !
>
> Graham
>


I'm talking about soundcard-only MIDI synths. Of all of them, Creative
Music Synth is the best. If you're talking about non-soundcard and/or
non-MIDI synths, then you have a point about CMS being inferior. But
then, most [if not all] soundcard-only MIDI synths are inferior to
non-soundcard and non-MIDI synths.

Reply from: Dave Platt
Date: 09 May, 03:37
In article <4823a2ee$0$12942$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

>Hi:
>
>Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>
>Sadly for me, Creative Technology does not want to talk about Creative
>Music Synth. I've contacted them in almost any way, shape, and form but
>not gotten any good info.

You'd probably be *much* better off if you go back one step further in
the technology chain. Skip Creative entirely, and go right to the
people who developed the chips and drivers used to create this synth
that you love so much - Yamaha.

See http://www.ucapps.de/mbhp_opl3.html for a project for creating a
modern MIDI synthesizer, using the very same Yamaha OPL FM-
synthesis chips that you're so fond of. They've got links to a large
amount of data about FM synthesis, including copies of the datasheets
for some of the Yamaha chips.

> I rarely get a response and when I do, it's
>usually crap. They told me, SB PCI 128 and Ensoniq contains Creative
>Music Synth. I already knew they were wrong because one of my friends
>has both those cards. I've checked the MIDI output for both those cards
>-- no Creative Music Synth. Creative Technology are a bunch of liars.

I suspect that "Creative Music Synth" is entirely a marketing term -
it means whatever Creative wants it to mean, and is *NOT* limited to
meaning what you personally feel that it ought to mean.

>I feel like ...

Flamage snipped.

I think that you should do three things, Radium.

The first, is that you should study FM synthesis yourself, based on the
large amount of easily-available documentation and the other projects
being put together by FM synthesis aficiandos like yourself. Don't
get all huffy, and expect Creative to disclose their own intellectual
property to you for free (or at all). They don't owe it to you, or
anyone else, to do so. Do your own homework.

The second, is that you should consult a good lawyer. That lawyer may
be able to help you figure out which aspects of FM synthesis are now
in the public domain (and which you could use freely), and which
aspects are still covered under patents by Yamaha or others (and which
you might not be able to use without licensing).

While you're at it, ask the lawyer to explain to you just why making
explicit public threats of torture, death, stalking, and other
nastiness are a Really Bad Idea, and how very unpleasant you would
likely find it to be hauled in by the authorities for making same.

The third, is to consult your doctor, and get your medications adjusted.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 09 May, 05:39
Dave Platt wrote:


> In article <4823a2ee$0$12942$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:


>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>>
>> Sadly for me, Creative Technology does not want to talk about Creative
>> Music Synth. I've contacted them in almost any way, shape, and form but
>> not gotten any good info.


>
> You'd probably be *much* better off if you go back one step further in
> the technology chain. Skip Creative entirely, and go right to the
> people who developed the chips and drivers used to create this synth
> that you love so much - Yamaha.
>
> See http://www.ucapps.de/mbhp_opl3.html for a project for creating a
> modern MIDI synthesizer, using the very same Yamaha OPL FM-
> synthesis chips that you're so fond of. They've got links to a large
> amount of data about FM synthesis, including copies of the datasheets
> for some of the Yamaha chips.


Thanks for the link.


>
>> I rarely get a response and when I do, it's
>> usually crap. They told me, SB PCI 128 and Ensoniq contains Creative
>> Music Synth. I already knew they were wrong because one of my friends
>> has both those cards. I've checked the MIDI output for both those cards
>> -- no Creative Music Synth. Creative Technology are a bunch of liars.
>
> I suspect that "Creative Music Synth" is entirely a marketing term -
> it means whatever Creative wants it to mean, and is *NOT* limited to
> meaning what you personally feel that it ought to mean.


I doubt it, you have to go into the control panel and into the
audio/MIDI devices tab to find "Creative Music Synth [220]"


>
>> I feel like ...
>
> Flamage snipped.
>
> I think that you should do three things, Radium.
>
> The first, is that you should study FM synthesis yourself, based on the
> large amount of easily-available documentation and the other projects
> being put together by FM synthesis aficiandos like yourself. Don't
> get all huffy, and expect Creative to disclose their own intellectual
> property to you for free (or at all). They don't owe it to you, or
> anyone else, to do so. Do your own homework.


Yup, Creative Technology are stubborn feces.


>
> The second, is that you should consult a good lawyer. That lawyer may
> be able to help you figure out which aspects of FM synthesis are now
> in the public domain (and which you could use freely), and which
> aspects are still covered under patents by Yamaha or others (and which
> you might not be able to use without licensing).


Yamaha is a lot friendlier than Creative Technology. Sadly for me, there
is a good chance that Creative Technology made modifications to the OPL3
[which affect audio characteristics] before soldering it onto their SB16
ISA cards.


>
> While you're at it, ask the lawyer to explain to you just why making
> explicit public threats of torture, death, stalking, and other
> nastiness are a Really Bad Idea, and how very unpleasant you would
> likely find it to be hauled in by the authorities for making same.


Yeah, after 9/11, we gotta be careful what they say. Damn CIA/NSA
scumbags. Using 9-11 as an excuse to mistreat American citizens and
invade their privacies.

The following is OT but I'll post it anyway. Read about the horrors
perpetrated by the NSA/CSS against US citizens:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/152d17249e3e53ef/349fa4c99142f19b?hl=en&lnk=st&q=glucegen1%40excite.com+nsa#

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_frm/thread/d3d662b66b41c0ee/b795548431f58b42?hl=en&lnk=st&q=glucegen1%40excite.com+nsa#b795548431f58b42

Careful, though. It has bad words.

Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 09 May, 05:58
Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:


>
> The following is OT but I'll post it anyway. Read about the horrors
> perpetrated by the NSA/CSS against US citizens:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/152d17249e3e53ef/349fa4c99142f19b?hl=en&lnk=st&q=glucegen1%40excite.com+nsa#
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_frm/thread/d3d662b66b41c0ee/b795548431f58b42?hl=en&lnk=st&q=glucegen1%40excite.com+nsa#b795548431f58b42
>
>
> Careful, though. It has bad words.


More:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics/2008-02/msg03852.html

Reply from: geoff
Date: 09 May, 03:50
Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.

That is very sad.

Pick up an old DB50XG or similar and find what you'e been missing all these
years.


geoff



Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 09 May, 05:26
geoff wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>
> That is very sad.
>
> Pick up an old DB50XG or similar and find what you'e been missing all these
> years.
>
>
> geoff
>
>


DB50XG stinks. It's a wavetable daughterboard.

Reply from: geoff
Date: 09 May, 05:51
Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>>
>> That is very sad.
>>
>> Pick up an old DB50XG or similar and find what you'e been missing
>> all these years.
>>
>>
>> geoff
>>
>>
>
>
> DB50XG stinks. It's a wavetable daughterboard.

Doesn't stink as bad as your stiffy-giver piece o'shit 'Creative'
crapmeister.

geoff



Reply from: Richard Crowley
Date: 09 May, 08:55
"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>
> Sadly for me, Creative Technology does not want to talk
> about Creative Music Synth. I've contacted them in almost
> any way, shape, and form but not gotten any good info.

Given your discussion history here in Usenet, it shows
surprisingly good judgement on their part.

They make mass-market, low-cost merchandise. They don't
have such discussions with end-user customers. If you used
some critical thinking it would be obvious why.

Reply from: WindsorFox<SS>
Date: 09 May, 15:09
Richard Crowley wrote:
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
>> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>>
>> Sadly for me, Creative Technology does not want to talk about Creative
>> Music Synth. I've contacted them in almost any way, shape, and form
>> but not gotten any good info.
>
> Given your discussion history here in Usenet, it shows
> surprisingly good judgement on their part.
>
> They make mass-market, low-cost merchandise. They don't have such
> discussions with end-user customers. If you used some critical thinking
> it would be obvious why.

First off, I would doubt the technical prowess of anyone that you'd
reach by way of email in the first place. I went back and fourth for 2
weeks + with tech support over an issue with the subwoofer not working
on an X-Fi before I accidentally fixed it myself.

--

"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers
have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s
from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0

"If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error

Reply from: Earl Kiosterud
Date: 09 May, 13:53

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:4823a2ee$0$12942$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Hi:
>
> Creative Music Synth is my favorite soundcard-MIDI-synth.
>
> Sadly for me, Creative Technology does not want to talk about Creative Music Synth. I've
> contacted them in almost any way, shape, and form but not gotten any good info. I rarely
> get a response and when I do, it's usually crap. They told me, SB PCI 128 and Ensoniq
> contains Creative Music Synth. I already knew they were wrong because one of my friends
> has both those cards. I've checked the MIDI output for both those cards -- no Creative
> Music Synth. Creative Technology are a bunch of liars.
>
> I feel like burning their skins off to extract their intellectual property. I want to
> force them to reveal each and every technical aspect of Creative Music Synth to me. I want
> to sear their skins with yellow fire whenever they refuse to give me the correct info. If
> they ignore me, I want to burn them. If they intentionally give me the wrong answer, I
> want to burn them.
>
> Burn Creative Technology to forcibly steal their intellectual property rights. Do this
> interrogation style.
>
> Creative Technology are a bunch of jerks who deserve to be burnt alive with scalding
> molten hot stinky cheddar cheese and then with yellow fires.
>
> I want to heinously torture and humiliate these sickos until they provide each and every
> bit of their info.
>
> I politely asked them about information on Creative Music Synth. One person named
> "Catherina" responded. This was the only reply I ever got to my question. Before I read
> the reply, I was jubilant. I was extremely optimistic and thought that person would assist
> me and tell me how Creative Music Synth works and other wonderful technical details. I
> couldn't have been more wrong.
>
> The message by the Cathy b!+C# read "I've removed this message and any
> similar messages because you posted them to more than one forum"
>
> I was so upset and disappointed. I just wanted to find out where that piece of Kathy human
> kakaa lives and burn her alive -- along with the rest of Creative Technology.
>
> I really have a hard time not wishing harm on cold-hearted scum like Creative Technology
> and its "Catherina".
>
> Burn Catherina and Creative Technology. Burn them with stinky scalding molten hot stinky
> cheddar cheese and then with yellow fires.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Radium

Radium,

I'm going to presume you're asking a serious question, in spite of your cheddar-cheese and
yellow-fires fetishes and your raving skin-burning hatefulness about Creative.

Soundcards with built-in MIDI synths don't necessarily have MIDI in and out connections --
that's a MIDI port for use with external MIDI synth boxes. A built-in synth would have
audio outputs, and would get it's MIDI input data from a program driving the synth. The
MIDI synth and MIDI port are two separate things. Many old soundcards had both. The newer
soundcards, particularly the on-board soundcards, appear to have neither, the synth function
being replaced by the Windows software synth.

I don't know what you want to know about the technical characteristics of built-in synths.
Drive one with MIDI from a program (Winamp playing a .MID file will do fine), and see how it
sounds. You'll find that the technical specs mean nothing -- it's the music instruments
used and the techniques to sample them that matter. Some sound as though they were mic'ed
in a bathroom. None of them sounds particularly good, compared to outboard MIDI synth boxes
made by Roland and other manufacturers.
--
Earl



Reply from: dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com
Date: 09 May, 14:46
On May 8, 9:03 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com>
wrote:
> I feel like burning their skins off
> I want to sear their skins with yellow fire
> I want to burn them.
> I want to burn them.
> [they] deserve to be burnt alive
>
> I want to heinously torture and humiliate these sickos
>
> I just wanted to find out where that
> piece of Kathy human kakaa lives
> and burn her alive
>
> I really have a hard time not wishing
> harm on cold-hearted scum like
> Creative Technology and its "Catherina".
>
> Burn Catherina and Creative Technology.

It now sounds to me that regardless of the real
or alledged mental issues that may or may not exist,
Radium has now crossed the line by committing what
appears to be criminally actionable offenses, including
quite explicit threats of physical harm and death to one
or more individuals.




Reply from: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: 09 May, 16:49
dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 8, 9:03 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>> I feel like burning their skins off
>> I want to sear their skins with yellow fire
>> I want to burn them.
>> I want to burn them.
>> [they] deserve to be burnt alive
>>
>> I want to heinously torture and humiliate these sickos
>>
>> I just wanted to find out where that
>> piece of Kathy human kakaa lives
>> and burn her alive
>>
>> I really have a hard time not wishing
>> harm on cold-hearted scum like
>> Creative Technology and its "Catherina".
>>
>> Burn Catherina and Creative Technology.
>
> It now sounds to me that regardless of the real
> or alledged mental issues that may or may not exist,
> Radium has now crossed the line by committing what
> appears to be criminally actionable offenses, including
> quite explicit threats of physical harm and death to one
> or more individuals.
>
>
>


Wishing harm does not equate to threats. In no part of my post did I say
that I am going to attack anyone. I just posted what I would like to do
to them, not what I plan to do to them. There is a big difference.

Reply from: Michael Black
Date: 09 May, 21:33


On Fri, 9 May 2008, Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

> dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com wrote:
>> On May 8, 9:03 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I feel like burning their skins off
>>> I want to sear their skins with yellow fire
>>> I want to burn them.
>>> I want to burn them.
>>> [they] deserve to be burnt alive
>>>
>>> I want to heinously torture and humiliate these sickos
>>>
>>> I just wanted to find out where that
>>> piece of Kathy human kakaa lives
>>> and burn her alive
>>>
>>> I really have a hard time not wishing
>>> harm on cold-hearted scum like
>>> Creative Technology and its "Catherina".
>>>
>>> Burn Catherina and Creative Technology.
>>
>> It now sounds to me that regardless of the real
>> or alledged mental issues that may or may not exist,
>> Radium has now crossed the line by committing what
>> appears to be criminally actionable offenses, including
>> quite explicit threats of physical harm and death to one
>> or more individuals.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Wishing harm does not equate to threats. In no part of my post did I say that
> I am going to attack anyone. I just posted what I would like to do to them,
> not what I plan to do to them. There is a big difference.
>
Kid, you didnt' say "I wish an anvil would fall on their head", you said
"I want to burn...".

You conveyed what you wanted to do, not something you wished would happen.

Of course you're an idiot, and hopefully this actually won't mean
anything. But, if you'd ever see someone who had been burned you'd
never wish it on anyone in the world. I saw someone immolate himself
34 years ago, and I would never even wish that on someone.

Of course, even being an idiot does not make you "safe". One of the major
net kooks went out and got a gun and killed three or four people back
in 1992, and though at the ripe old age of 67 he's tapered off, he has
continued to spew during his life sentence, getting someone to post
for him. Presumably he was dismissed as just a kook, something that
looks quite different after he killed those people.

You've just conveyed how juvenile you are, as if your nonsense posts
over the years didn't do that. You think someone who likely doesn't
know any technical details should provide help to you (and given your
posts are usually nonsense and we don't think you deserve an answer,
do you really think some company should waste time on you?), yet
then you want to hurt her. Nothing warrants that level of hurt,
but even if there was something so important that such hurt was
warranted, some silly technical question comes absolutely no
where near that need.

Your sense of the world really is skewed.

Michael




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