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I passed the ERC today
I passed the ERC today
I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
There is a lot of overlap between the ERC and BRC. Many of the
exercises are the same and the final skills test is the same. The
primary difference is the addition of a fun exercise and the fact that
the you use your bike for the course rather than an MSF provided
bike. That last bit is actually very significant.
I found the course quite valuable. Certain weaknesses were brought to
light so that I know what I need to work on. I also had fun as did
the rest of the group.
One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
quite impressed. There can be no excuses for losing points on the
box. All you need is throttle and clutch control to pull you through
the figure eight.
There is of course nothing magic about the ERC. But I bet even rather
experienced riders might get something out of it. If nothing else,
you get to exercise your clutch hand.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
There is a lot of overlap between the ERC and BRC. Many of the
exercises are the same and the final skills test is the same. The
primary difference is the addition of a fun exercise and the fact that
the you use your bike for the course rather than an MSF provided
bike. That last bit is actually very significant.
I found the course quite valuable. Certain weaknesses were brought to
light so that I know what I need to work on. I also had fun as did
the rest of the group.
One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
quite impressed. There can be no excuses for losing points on the
box. All you need is throttle and clutch control to pull you through
the figure eight.
There is of course nothing magic about the ERC. But I bet even rather
experienced riders might get something out of it. If nothing else,
you get to exercise your clutch hand.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Apr 7, 2:36 pm, David Steuber <d...@david-steuber . com > wrote:
> I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
> dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
> I found the course quite valuable. Certain weaknesses were brought to
> light so that I know what I need to work on. I also had fun as did
> the rest of the group.
Congratulations! Hope your learning and your riding enjoyment both
continue to grow by leaps and bounds!
Tim
On Apr 7, 2:36 pm, David Steuber <d...@david-steuber . com > wrote:
> I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
> dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
> I found the course quite valuable. Certain weaknesses were brought to
> light so that I know what I need to work on. I also had fun as did
> the rest of the group.
Congratulations! Hope your learning and your riding enjoyment both
continue to grow by leaps and bounds!
Tim
Re: I passed the ERC today
"David Steuber" <david@david-steuber . com > wrote in message
news:m264880yee.fsf@david-steuber . com ...
> I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
> dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
>
> There is a lot of overlap between the ERC and BRC. Many of the
> exercises are the same and the final skills test is the same. The
> primary difference is the addition of a fun exercise and the fact that
> the you use your bike for the course rather than an MSF provided
> bike. That last bit is actually very significant.
>
Does the ERC count as your DMV driving test?
[snip]
>
> One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
> take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
> quite impressed. There can be no excuses for losing points on the
> box. All you need is throttle and clutch control to pull you through
> the figure eight.
>
Don't forget the rear brake, too.
The main video from w w w .ridelikeapro . com stresses this low-speed riding
technique (they call it the "friction zone"). It is absolutely a critical
part of riding that everyone should master (imho).
Bob
"David Steuber" <david@david-steuber . com > wrote in message
news:m264880yee.fsf@david-steuber . com ...
> I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
> dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
>
> There is a lot of overlap between the ERC and BRC. Many of the
> exercises are the same and the final skills test is the same. The
> primary difference is the addition of a fun exercise and the fact that
> the you use your bike for the course rather than an MSF provided
> bike. That last bit is actually very significant.
>
Does the ERC count as your DMV driving test?
[snip]
>
> One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
> take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
> quite impressed. There can be no excuses for losing points on the
> box. All you need is throttle and clutch control to pull you through
> the figure eight.
>
Don't forget the rear brake, too.
The main video from w w w .ridelikeapro . com stresses this low-speed riding
technique (they call it the "friction zone"). It is absolutely a critical
part of riding that everyone should master (imho).
Bob
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:22:39 -0700, "Bob"
<nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com > wrote:
>
>"David Steuber" <david@david-steuber . com > wrote in message
>news:m264880yee.fsf@david-steuber . com ...
>> I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
>> dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
>>
>> There is a lot of overlap between the ERC and BRC. Many of the
>> exercises are the same and the final skills test is the same. The
>> primary difference is the addition of a fun exercise and the fact that
>> the you use your bike for the course rather than an MSF provided
>> bike. That last bit is actually very significant.
>>
>
>Does the ERC count as your DMV driving test?
>
In North Carolina the BRC counts as your DMV test - and since you have
to have the BRC to take the ERC (again, in NC) then I'd say no.
>>
>> One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
>> take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
>> quite impressed. There can be no excuses for losing points on the
>> box. All you need is throttle and clutch control to pull you through
>> the figure eight.
>>
>
>Don't forget the rear brake, too.
>
>The main video from w w w .ridelikeapro . com stresses this low-speed riding
>technique (they call it the "friction zone"). It is absolutely a critical
>part of riding that everyone should master (imho).
>
>Bob
>
>
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:22:39 -0700, "Bob"
<nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com > wrote:
>
>"David Steuber" <david@david-steuber . com > wrote in message
>news:m264880yee.fsf@david-steuber . com ...
>> I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
>> dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
>>
>> There is a lot of overlap between the ERC and BRC. Many of the
>> exercises are the same and the final skills test is the same. The
>> primary difference is the addition of a fun exercise and the fact that
>> the you use your bike for the course rather than an MSF provided
>> bike. That last bit is actually very significant.
>>
>
>Does the ERC count as your DMV driving test?
>
In North Carolina the BRC counts as your DMV test - and since you have
to have the BRC to take the ERC (again, in NC) then I'd say no.
>>
>> One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
>> take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
>> quite impressed. There can be no excuses for losing points on the
>> box. All you need is throttle and clutch control to pull you through
>> the figure eight.
>>
>
>Don't forget the rear brake, too.
>
>The main video from w w w .ridelikeapro . com stresses this low-speed riding
>technique (they call it the "friction zone"). It is absolutely a critical
>part of riding that everyone should master (imho).
>
>Bob
>
>
Re: I passed the ERC today
"Bob" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com > writes:
> Does the ERC count as your DMV driving test?
In Pennsylvania, either the BRC or ERC can be used for the skills test
to get your M endorsement. I already had my M endorsement from taking
the BRC last year.
You do not need to take the BRC before the ERC, but they do recommend
that you do.
* w w w .pamsp . com /
The really cool thing is that you can take the ERC every year. It's
free if you have a PA DL.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
"Bob" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com > writes:
> Does the ERC count as your DMV driving test?
In Pennsylvania, either the BRC or ERC can be used for the skills test
to get your M endorsement. I already had my M endorsement from taking
the BRC last year.
You do not need to take the BRC before the ERC, but they do recommend
that you do.
* w w w .pamsp . com /
The really cool thing is that you can take the ERC every year. It's
free if you have a PA DL.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:36:57 -0400, David Steuber
<david@david-steuber . com > wrote:
>I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
>dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
Congrats! I always wonder if I could do it. Maybe someday I'll try.
8^)
>I found the course quite valuable. Certain weaknesses were brought to
>light so that I know what I need to work on. I also had fun as did
>the rest of the group.
I haven't taken the course but I'm guessing it's like a 3-day
seminar--they teach you things and then expect you to practice after
the course is over. Otherwise there wouldn't be enough time.
>One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
>take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
>quite impressed.
I think the secret is that Harleys are easier to handle than they
look. 8^)
>There is of course nothing magic about the ERC. But I bet even rather
>experienced riders might get something out of it. If nothing else,
>you get to exercise your clutch hand.
We all have gaps in our knowledge. When I bought my first bike, I
just jumped on it and rode it home and thought nothing of it. But
today some formal training is considered essential. I bet many of us
long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing
wrong all these years!
On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:36:57 -0400, David Steuber
<david@david-steuber . com > wrote:
>I'm really glad I took the ERC. The weather was good (cold, but I was
>dressed for it). Course conditions were perfect.
Congrats! I always wonder if I could do it. Maybe someday I'll try.
8^)
>I found the course quite valuable. Certain weaknesses were brought to
>light so that I know what I need to work on. I also had fun as did
>the rest of the group.
I haven't taken the course but I'm guessing it's like a 3-day
seminar--they teach you things and then expect you to practice after
the course is over. Otherwise there wouldn't be enough time.
>One thing that impressed me was watching a guy with a huge HD bike
>take on the box at about walking speed with extreme grace. I was
>quite impressed.
I think the secret is that Harleys are easier to handle than they
look. 8^)
>There is of course nothing magic about the ERC. But I bet even rather
>experienced riders might get something out of it. If nothing else,
>you get to exercise your clutch hand.
We all have gaps in our knowledge. When I bought my first bike, I
just jumped on it and rode it home and thought nothing of it. But
today some formal training is considered essential. I bet many of us
long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing
wrong all these years!
Re: I passed the ERC today
Blazing Laser wrote in news:3i7g13lho0bo4lealnmh3dm4fikubr8ivj@4ax . com :
> I think the secret is that Harleys are easier to handle than they
> look.
When I was still Active Duty and chanting the MSF Mantra, I had a Chief
Petty Officer tell me how his bike was unable to do the U-Turn. I
offered to meet him at the range to see if I could figure out what was
wrong with his bike...
We met, swapped bikes, and both proceded to try the U-Turn box. Funny
thing... His bike was suddenly capable of not only doing the U-Turn, but
doing it well within the inner lines while mine was suddenly incapable of
even staying in the box.
I never did figure out what was wrong with his bike but was sure glad
to see that mine got fixed before I rode away... ;)
--
RCOS #7
IBA# 11465
* imagesdesavions . com
Blazing Laser wrote in news:3i7g13lho0bo4lealnmh3dm4fikubr8ivj@4ax . com :
> I think the secret is that Harleys are easier to handle than they
> look.
When I was still Active Duty and chanting the MSF Mantra, I had a Chief
Petty Officer tell me how his bike was unable to do the U-Turn. I
offered to meet him at the range to see if I could figure out what was
wrong with his bike...
We met, swapped bikes, and both proceded to try the U-Turn box. Funny
thing... His bike was suddenly capable of not only doing the U-Turn, but
doing it well within the inner lines while mine was suddenly incapable of
even staying in the box.
I never did figure out what was wrong with his bike but was sure glad
to see that mine got fixed before I rode away... ;)
--
RCOS #7
IBA# 11465
* imagesdesavions . com
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Apr 7, 5:54 pm, Blazing Laser wrote:
>I bet many of us long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing wrong all these years!
If you haven't managed to cripple or kill yourself after years of
riding, that might indicate that you are doing it right <g>.
Best,
James
On Apr 7, 5:54 pm, Blazing Laser wrote:
>I bet many of us long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing wrong all these years!
If you haven't managed to cripple or kill yourself after years of
riding, that might indicate that you are doing it right <g>.
Best,
James
Re: I passed the ERC today
On 8 Apr 2007 11:31:59 -0700, "James Prine" <jsprine@aol . com > wrote:
>On Apr 7, 5:54 pm, Blazing Laser wrote:
>
>>I bet many of us long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing wrong all these years!
>
>If you haven't managed to cripple or kill yourself after years of
>riding, that might indicate that you are doing it right <g>.
This is my main justification for not taking the ERC. Still, I wonder
what I might learn. Even being as safe as you can be, motorcycles
are still dangerous.
On 8 Apr 2007 11:31:59 -0700, "James Prine" <jsprine@aol . com > wrote:
>On Apr 7, 5:54 pm, Blazing Laser wrote:
>
>>I bet many of us long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing wrong all these years!
>
>If you haven't managed to cripple or kill yourself after years of
>riding, that might indicate that you are doing it right <g>.
This is my main justification for not taking the ERC. Still, I wonder
what I might learn. Even being as safe as you can be, motorcycles
are still dangerous.
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:35:17 -0700, Blazing Laser wrote:
>On 8 Apr 2007 11:31:59 -0700, "James Prine" <jsprine@aol . com > wrote:
>
>>On Apr 7, 5:54 pm, Blazing Laser wrote:
>>
>>>I bet many of us long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing wrong all these years!
>>
>>If you haven't managed to cripple or kill yourself after years of
>>riding, that might indicate that you are doing it right <g>.
For a variety of reasons (DK-squared, the faulty credibility of anecdotal
evidence), not really.
>
>This is my main justification for not taking the ERC. Still, I wonder
>what I might learn. Even being as safe as you can be, motorcycles
>are still dangerous.
I hesitate to bring this up with civilian riders but there is a lot you can
do to significantly improve your proficiency and thus increase the
probability that you will save your ass if you find yourself inside the
event horizon of a traffic situation. For a great many civilian riders, the
"I've been riding for 30 years" statement is usually better restated as
"I've been reliving the same 1 day of riding experience over and over for
30 years".
I have taken the ERC 4 times, been through actual police motor handling
training and really only ride on the street to train. Through the filter of
that particular experience set, I would say that on a scale from 1 to 100,
the best civilian riders I've seen are a 10 or 12, including MSF
instructors. The average civilian is a 2. The worst motor officer I've seen
is a 40. The average is a 75. And the best police instructors I've seen are
around 150.
Your skills can be VASTLY higher than they are now. ERC is a low-level
starting point. The first step of a long journey. I hope you decide to go
further and making growing your proficiency and regular training/practice
part of your riding life. Most civilians have a rich set of reasons not to,
so I usually don't even go this far in urging people to learn how to save
their asses anymore. Congrats on the first step and on passing.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:35:17 -0700, Blazing Laser wrote:
>On 8 Apr 2007 11:31:59 -0700, "James Prine" <jsprine@aol . com > wrote:
>
>>On Apr 7, 5:54 pm, Blazing Laser wrote:
>>
>>>I bet many of us long-time riders would be shocked to find out what we've been doing wrong all these years!
>>
>>If you haven't managed to cripple or kill yourself after years of
>>riding, that might indicate that you are doing it right <g>.
For a variety of reasons (DK-squared, the faulty credibility of anecdotal
evidence), not really.
>
>This is my main justification for not taking the ERC. Still, I wonder
>what I might learn. Even being as safe as you can be, motorcycles
>are still dangerous.
I hesitate to bring this up with civilian riders but there is a lot you can
do to significantly improve your proficiency and thus increase the
probability that you will save your ass if you find yourself inside the
event horizon of a traffic situation. For a great many civilian riders, the
"I've been riding for 30 years" statement is usually better restated as
"I've been reliving the same 1 day of riding experience over and over for
30 years".
I have taken the ERC 4 times, been through actual police motor handling
training and really only ride on the street to train. Through the filter of
that particular experience set, I would say that on a scale from 1 to 100,
the best civilian riders I've seen are a 10 or 12, including MSF
instructors. The average civilian is a 2. The worst motor officer I've seen
is a 40. The average is a 75. And the best police instructors I've seen are
around 150.
Your skills can be VASTLY higher than they are now. ERC is a low-level
starting point. The first step of a long journey. I hope you decide to go
further and making growing your proficiency and regular training/practice
part of your riding life. Most civilians have a rich set of reasons not to,
so I usually don't even go this far in urging people to learn how to save
their asses anymore. Congrats on the first step and on passing.
Re: I passed the ERC today
>>
>>This is my main justification for not taking the ERC. Still, I wonder
>>what I might learn. Even being as safe as you can be, motorcycles
>>are still dangerous.
>
> I hesitate to bring this up with civilian riders but there is a lot you
> can
> do to significantly improve your proficiency and thus increase the
> probability that you will save your ass if you find yourself inside the
> event horizon of a traffic situation. For a great many civilian riders,
> the
> "I've been riding for 30 years" statement is usually better restated as
> "I've been reliving the same 1 day of riding experience over and over for
> 30 years".
>
> I have taken the ERC 4 times, been through actual police motor handling
> training and really only ride on the street to train. Through the filter
> of
> that particular experience set, I would say that on a scale from 1 to 100,
> the best civilian riders I've seen are a 10 or 12, including MSF
> instructors. The average civilian is a 2. The worst motor officer I've
> seen
> is a 40. The average is a 75. And the best police instructors I've seen
> are
> around 150.
>
> Your skills can be VASTLY higher than they are now. ERC is a low-level
> starting point. The first step of a long journey. I hope you decide to go
> further and making growing your proficiency and regular training/practice
> part of your riding life. Most civilians have a rich set of reasons not
> to,
> so I usually don't even go this far in urging people to learn how to save
> their asses anymore. Congrats on the first step and on passing.
>
>
Mike,
We are all humbled by your presence. Thanks for enlightening us "civilians".
One thing, though...
How, on a scale from 1 to 100, do some police instructors rate 150?
Bob
>>
>>This is my main justification for not taking the ERC. Still, I wonder
>>what I might learn. Even being as safe as you can be, motorcycles
>>are still dangerous.
>
> I hesitate to bring this up with civilian riders but there is a lot you
> can
> do to significantly improve your proficiency and thus increase the
> probability that you will save your ass if you find yourself inside the
> event horizon of a traffic situation. For a great many civilian riders,
> the
> "I've been riding for 30 years" statement is usually better restated as
> "I've been reliving the same 1 day of riding experience over and over for
> 30 years".
>
> I have taken the ERC 4 times, been through actual police motor handling
> training and really only ride on the street to train. Through the filter
> of
> that particular experience set, I would say that on a scale from 1 to 100,
> the best civilian riders I've seen are a 10 or 12, including MSF
> instructors. The average civilian is a 2. The worst motor officer I've
> seen
> is a 40. The average is a 75. And the best police instructors I've seen
> are
> around 150.
>
> Your skills can be VASTLY higher than they are now. ERC is a low-level
> starting point. The first step of a long journey. I hope you decide to go
> further and making growing your proficiency and regular training/practice
> part of your riding life. Most civilians have a rich set of reasons not
> to,
> so I usually don't even go this far in urging people to learn how to save
> their asses anymore. Congrats on the first step and on passing.
>
>
Mike,
We are all humbled by your presence. Thanks for enlightening us "civilians".
One thing, though...
How, on a scale from 1 to 100, do some police instructors rate 150?
Bob
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:36:12 -0700, "Bob" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com >
wrote:
>
>Mike,
>
>We are all humbled by your presence. Thanks for enlightening us "civilians".
>
>One thing, though...
>
>How, on a scale from 1 to 100, do some police instructors rate 150?
>
>Bob
>
The 150 was stated for emphasis... are you really that slow you couldn't
figure that out or were you just being witty in an internet sort of way?
Sorry if I offended you (not really). You had a choice... investigate a new
data point from someone who might have more experience and training than
you, or just reflexively crap on them because it's beyond what you
understood or imagined. Way to go.
Bringing "what is possible" up to most civilian riders is always a complete
waste of time.
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:36:12 -0700, "Bob" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com >
wrote:
>
>Mike,
>
>We are all humbled by your presence. Thanks for enlightening us "civilians".
>
>One thing, though...
>
>How, on a scale from 1 to 100, do some police instructors rate 150?
>
>Bob
>
The 150 was stated for emphasis... are you really that slow you couldn't
figure that out or were you just being witty in an internet sort of way?
Sorry if I offended you (not really). You had a choice... investigate a new
data point from someone who might have more experience and training than
you, or just reflexively crap on them because it's beyond what you
understood or imagined. Way to go.
Bringing "what is possible" up to most civilian riders is always a complete
waste of time.
Re: I passed the ERC today
"Mike W." <outofthe@emailbiz . com > wrote in message
news:55ik135ig0dsh3gr2c25capneqn8lj5rvi@4ax . com ...
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:36:12 -0700, "Bob" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Mike,
>>
>>We are all humbled by your presence. Thanks for enlightening us
>>"civilians".
>>
>>One thing, though...
>>
>>How, on a scale from 1 to 100, do some police instructors rate 150?
>>
>>Bob
>>
>
> The 150 was stated for emphasis... are you really that slow you couldn't
> figure that out or were you just being witty in an internet sort of way?
> Sorry if I offended you (not really). You had a choice... investigate a
> new
> data point from someone who might have more experience and training than
> you, or just reflexively crap on them because it's beyond what you
> understood or imagined. Way to go.
>
> Bringing "what is possible" up to most civilian riders is always a
> complete
> waste of time.
>
Mike,
My response was simply a reaction to your holier-than-thou attitude.
Motor officer training is very good -- it has to be. That's why I've
studied, practiced, and utilize the techniques offered by Jerry Palladino in
his videos available at:
w w w .ridelikeapro . com
I've given his (main) video as gifts to several people. It's well worth the
money and effort.
Bob
"Mike W." <outofthe@emailbiz . com > wrote in message
news:55ik135ig0dsh3gr2c25capneqn8lj5rvi@4ax . com ...
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:36:12 -0700, "Bob" <nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner . com >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Mike,
>>
>>We are all humbled by your presence. Thanks for enlightening us
>>"civilians".
>>
>>One thing, though...
>>
>>How, on a scale from 1 to 100, do some police instructors rate 150?
>>
>>Bob
>>
>
> The 150 was stated for emphasis... are you really that slow you couldn't
> figure that out or were you just being witty in an internet sort of way?
> Sorry if I offended you (not really). You had a choice... investigate a
> new
> data point from someone who might have more experience and training than
> you, or just reflexively crap on them because it's beyond what you
> understood or imagined. Way to go.
>
> Bringing "what is possible" up to most civilian riders is always a
> complete
> waste of time.
>
Mike,
My response was simply a reaction to your holier-than-thou attitude.
Motor officer training is very good -- it has to be. That's why I've
studied, practiced, and utilize the techniques offered by Jerry Palladino in
his videos available at:
w w w .ridelikeapro . com
I've given his (main) video as gifts to several people. It's well worth the
money and effort.
Bob
Re: I passed the ERC today
I try to improve something everytime I ride. I enjoy riding and want
to be as good at it as I can get. I have seen some people so some
pretty amazing stuff on motorcycles; stuff that I would never try.
But I do want to be able to save myself from as many possible
situations that I may encounter on the street.
As always, it comes down to risk management and how much risk I am
willing to take. I tend to be risk adverse, believe it or not. But I
also find some of the risky things on motorcycles enjoyable. So for
those things, I want to reduce the risk while still being able to
enjoy them.
The ERC is fairly basic. That said, I think I will take it every year
as long as PAMSP is in effect. I want to get a perfect score on the
skills test every time.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
I try to improve something everytime I ride. I enjoy riding and want
to be as good at it as I can get. I have seen some people so some
pretty amazing stuff on motorcycles; stuff that I would never try.
But I do want to be able to save myself from as many possible
situations that I may encounter on the street.
As always, it comes down to risk management and how much risk I am
willing to take. I tend to be risk adverse, believe it or not. But I
also find some of the risky things on motorcycles enjoyable. So for
those things, I want to reduce the risk while still being able to
enjoy them.
The ERC is fairly basic. That said, I think I will take it every year
as long as PAMSP is in effect. I want to get a perfect score on the
skills test every time.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
Re: I passed the ERC today
On Apr 8, 9:43 pm, Mike W. <outof...@emailbiz . com > wrote:
> For a variety of reasons (DK-squared, the faulty credibility of anecdotal
> evidence), not really.
Agreed, Mike. Twenty to thirty years or more of real-world
experiences in a diverse variety of travel environments, including
urban, open-country, mountains, etc., extreme weather scenarios, and
perhaps on many different machines, around the clock, means little
when compared to a daytime riding course in a safe off-road area and
performed under a programmed course of instruction <g>.
> I hesitate to bring this up with civilian riders but there is a lot you can
> do to significantly improve your proficiency and thus increase the
> probability that you will save your ass if you find yourself inside the
> event horizon of a traffic situation. For a great many civilian riders, the
> "I've been riding for 30 years" statement is usually better restated as
> "I've been reliving the same 1 day of riding experience over and over for
> 30 years".
FWIW, if you are not a member of the armed forces, you are a civilian,
too. This includes commissioned Peace Officers with the power of
arrest. And I say this with over 30 years of commissioned service in
law enforcement and several years in the armed forces. And your
comparison of safely riding 30 years with 'reliving 1 day of riding
experience over and over' is not logical unless of course it consists
of a precise, rigidly adhered-to programmed course under the same
weather and other conditions tantamount to what a lab-rat endures on a
closed, sterile environment.
> Your skills can be VASTLY higher than they are now.
I concur. Training and especially experiences are what separates the
tyros from veteran, safe, skilled motorcyclists. And I agree that
training, especially in the U.S., isn't adequate for most cyclists,
especially the younger ones who want performance and "cool" more than
anything else.
Then again, considering police training issues, tactical police
training, especially armed encounter training, is woefully inadequate
for virtually all domestic U.S. law enforcement agencies, because of
liability issues and, to an extent, political correctness. IMHO, of
course, YMMV.
BTW, thanks for your service!
Best,
James
On Apr 8, 9:43 pm, Mike W. <outof...@emailbiz . com > wrote:
> For a variety of reasons (DK-squared, the faulty credibility of anecdotal
> evidence), not really.
Agreed, Mike. Twenty to thirty years or more of real-world
experiences in a diverse variety of travel environments, including
urban, open-country, mountains, etc., extreme weather scenarios, and
perhaps on many different machines, around the clock, means little
when compared to a daytime riding course in a safe off-road area and
performed under a programmed course of instruction <g>.
> I hesitate to bring this up with civilian riders but there is a lot you can
> do to significantly improve your proficiency and thus increase the
> probability that you will save your ass if you find yourself inside the
> event horizon of a traffic situation. For a great many civilian riders, the
> "I've been riding for 30 years" statement is usually better restated as
> "I've been reliving the same 1 day of riding experience over and over for
> 30 years".
FWIW, if you are not a member of the armed forces, you are a civilian,
too. This includes commissioned Peace Officers with the power of
arrest. And I say this with over 30 years of commissioned service in
law enforcement and several years in the armed forces. And your
comparison of safely riding 30 years with 'reliving 1 day of riding
experience over and over' is not logical unless of course it consists
of a precise, rigidly adhered-to programmed course under the same
weather and other conditions tantamount to what a lab-rat endures on a
closed, sterile environment.
> Your skills can be VASTLY higher than they are now.
I concur. Training and especially experiences are what separates the
tyros from veteran, safe, skilled motorcyclists. And I agree that
training, especially in the U.S., isn't adequate for most cyclists,
especially the younger ones who want performance and "cool" more than
anything else.
Then again, considering police training issues, tactical police
training, especially armed encounter training, is woefully inadequate
for virtually all domestic U.S. law enforcement agencies, because of
liability issues and, to an extent, political correctness. IMHO, of
course, YMMV.
BTW, thanks for your service!
Best,
James
