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Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

Reply from: Mike T.
Date: 23 Mar 2007, 15:36
Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

Do they exist? Other than snow/ice covered roadways I mean. Let's assume
roads are clear and dry, or maybe wet (from recent rain or melting snow OFF
the roadway, where the water is running across the roadway).

One site I had to visit recently for work, I was turned away at the gate.
Reason I was given is that supposedly road conditions were unsafe for
motorcycle use. But the gate guards let several sedans through the gate
while I was there on my motorcycle, being told that I would not be allowed
to enter.

I think whoever dictated this asinine policy is full of SHIT. If they are
so concerned about the safety of motorcycle riders as to BAN motorcycle
traffic, then why are they not concerned about the safety of cage drivers?
Main danger I see is if you hit standing water too fast, you could flood
your engine. But if you are riding a motorcycle, you just walk it out.
Meanwhile, if your cage engine floods, it's tow-truck time.

Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
motorcycle traffic? -Dave




Reply from: Jeff Mayner
Date: 23 Mar 2007, 18:33
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Mike T." <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:4603e609$0$97263$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews . net ...
> Do they exist? Other than snow/ice covered roadways I mean. Let's assume
> roads are clear and dry, or maybe wet (from recent rain or melting snow
> OFF the roadway, where the water is running across the roadway).
>
> One site I had to visit recently for work, I was turned away at the gate.
> Reason I was given is that supposedly road conditions were unsafe for
> motorcycle use. But the gate guards let several sedans through the gate
> while I was there on my motorcycle, being told that I would not be allowed
> to enter.
>
> I think whoever dictated this asinine policy is full of SHIT. If they are
> so concerned about the safety of motorcycle riders as to BAN motorcycle
> traffic, then why are they not concerned about the safety of cage drivers?
> Main danger I see is if you hit standing water too fast, you could flood
> your engine. But if you are riding a motorcycle, you just walk it out.
> Meanwhile, if your cage engine floods, it's tow-truck time.
>
> Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
> motorcycle traffic? -Dave

Hypocracy and utter bias against bikes. I run into it all the time. I pay it
back however. If at all possible, I only frequent establishments that are
motorcycle parking "friendly", etc. I can't always but if I have prior
knowledge that's where I'll go.

>
>
>



Reply from: HankB
Date: 23 Mar 2007, 19:13
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

On Mar 23, 9:36 am, "Mike T." <n...@nohow.not> wrote:
>
> One site I had to visit recently for work, I was turned away at the gate.

Site? Gate? Care to elaborate? If it is private property - as the gate
seems to imply - they can all or disallow anyone they want. (Not
including law enforcement with a proper warrant and perhaps fire
protection.)


Reply from: Mike T.
Date: 23 Mar 2007, 20:29
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

> If it is private property - as the gate
> seems to imply - they can all or disallow anyone they want. (Not
> including law enforcement with a proper warrant and perhaps fire
> protection.)

But my thinking on the issue is, turning away motorcycles due to 'unsafe
road conditions' is inviting lawsuits. After all, if a cager gets hurt on
the private roads that the owner CLAIMS to be unsafe (for motorcycle
traffic), couldn't the driver of the cage sue the property owners' ASSES
off, in the event of a cage accident with
njuries??????????????????????? -Dave



Reply from: P.Roehling
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 00:13
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Mike T." <noway@nohow.not> wrote

>> If it is private property - as the gate
>> seems to imply - they can all or disallow anyone they want. (Not
>> including law enforcement with a proper warrant and perhaps fire
>> protection.)
>
> But my thinking on the issue is, turning away motorcycles due to 'unsafe
> road conditions' is inviting lawsuits. After all, if a cager gets hurt on
> the private roads that the owner CLAIMS to be unsafe (for motorcycle
> traffic), couldn't the driver of the cage sue the property owners' ASSES
> off, in the event of a cage accident with
> juries??????????????????????? -Dave

Uh, Dave, anyone can sue anybody else at any time for anything. Deciding
that a road is unsafe for motorcycles but not for cages does not change that
in any way, shape, or form.



Reply from: Dave
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 01:37
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


> Uh, Dave, anyone can sue anybody else at any time for anything. Deciding
> that a road is unsafe for motorcycles but not for cages does not change
> that in any way, shape, or form.

Agreed. However, assuming a cage driver (that you let onto your property)
gets injured on roads THAT YOU CLAIM ARE UNSAFE, you would be left in a very
precarious position, as far as trying to defend yourself from a possible
lawsuit filed by the injured cage driver. -Dave


Reply from: P.Roehling
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 01:20
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote

>> Uh, Dave, anyone can sue anybody else at any time for anything. Deciding
>> that a road is unsafe for motorcycles but not for cages does not change
>> that in any way, shape, or form.
>
> Agreed. However, assuming a cage driver (that you let onto your property)
> gets injured on roads THAT YOU CLAIM ARE UNSAFE, you would be left in a
> very precarious position, as far as trying to defend yourself from a
> possible lawsuit filed by the injured cage driver. -Dave

No, Dave, you would not be in any more precarious a position than you were
otherwise.

Go ask a lawyer.



Reply from: Venture Rider
Date: 23 Mar 2007, 20:53
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:36:56 -0400, Mike T. said:

>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
>motorcycle traffic? -Dave

Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the noisy
bikes out?

--
Loud Pipes Risk Rights.

Reply from: Dave
Date: 23 Mar 2007, 23:34
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Venture Rider" <dontbother@bogus.dom> wrote in message
news:4604318e$0$10590$c3e8da3@news.astraweb . com ...
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:36:56 -0400, Mike T. said:
>
>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
>
> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the noisy
> bikes out?

Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy. Standing next to it, you can barely
hear it running at idle. -Dave


Reply from: Beav
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 01:01
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:460447bd$0$97223$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews . net ...
>
> "Venture Rider" <dontbother@bogus.dom> wrote in message
> news:4604318e$0$10590$c3e8da3@news.astraweb . com ...
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:36:56 -0400, Mike T. said:
>>
>>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
>>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
>>
>> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the noisy
>> bikes out?
>
> Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy. Standing next to it, you can
> barely hear it running at idle.


Dave, they can't afford to repair the damage to the road that you'll do to
it when you have an off.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19



Reply from: Dave
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 02:34
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

>>>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
>>>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
>>>
>>> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the noisy
>>> bikes out?
>>
>> Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy. Standing next to it, you can
>> barely hear it running at idle.
>
>
> Dave, they can't afford to repair the damage to the road that you'll do to
> it when you have an off.
>

What, your last high-side bankrupted them? :) I've had a couple close
calls, and scraped the 'pegs' a few times (well, the sidestand and
underbody, which are actually lower). But so far, I've managed not to drop
it, ever. Closest I came to dropping it was in a construction zone where
the pavement was totally removed and (rather strangely) replaced with deep
gravel. I was going really slow (maybe too slow?) and the front wheel sank
into a deep spot in the gravel, leading to an "OH SHIT" moment. Had to park
it for a while to gather my wits before I hit the road again, it was pretty
scary. But I did NOT drop it. -Dave


Reply from: Beav
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 16:01
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:460471ee$0$97224$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews . net ...
>>>>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
>>>>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the noisy
>>>> bikes out?
>>>
>>> Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy. Standing next to it, you can
>>> barely hear it running at idle.
>>
>>
>> Dave, they can't afford to repair the damage to the road that you'll do
>> to it when you have an off.
>>
>
> What, your last high-side bankrupted them? :) I've had a couple close
> calls, and scraped the 'pegs' a few times (well, the sidestand and
> underbody, which are actually lower). But so far, I've managed not to
> drop it, ever. Closest I came to dropping it was in a construction zone
> where the pavement was totally removed and (rather strangely) replaced
> with deep gravel. I was going really slow (maybe too slow?) and the front
> wheel sank into a deep spot in the gravel, leading to an "OH SHIT" moment.
> Had to park it for a while to gather my wits before I hit the road again,
> it was pretty scary. But I did NOT drop it.


Just winding you up Dave. As for riding on that gravel, I don't think speed
would help. A friend of mine has his driveway covered in gravel and I
fucking HATE going there, but it's too long to walk up, so I've no option
but to ride up it. I do it VERY slowly.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19



Reply from: Timberwoof
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 17:46
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...

In article <y3bNh.17160$2F5.9596@newsfe5-win.ntli . net >,
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld . com > wrote:

> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
> news:460471ee$0$97224$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews . net ...
> >>>>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to ban
> >>>>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the noisy
> >>>> bikes out?
> >>>
> >>> Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy. Standing next to it, you can
> >>> barely hear it running at idle.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave, they can't afford to repair the damage to the road that you'll do
> >> to it when you have an off.
> >>
> >
> > What, your last high-side bankrupted them? :) I've had a couple close
> > calls, and scraped the 'pegs' a few times (well, the sidestand and
> > underbody, which are actually lower). But so far, I've managed not to
> > drop it, ever. Closest I came to dropping it was in a construction zone
> > where the pavement was totally removed and (rather strangely) replaced
> > with deep gravel. I was going really slow (maybe too slow?) and the front
> > wheel sank into a deep spot in the gravel, leading to an "OH SHIT" moment.
> > Had to park it for a while to gather my wits before I hit the road again,
> > it was pretty scary. But I did NOT drop it.
>
>
> Just winding you up Dave. As for riding on that gravel, I don't think speed
> would help. A friend of mine has his driveway covered in gravel and I
> fucking HATE going there, but it's too long to walk up, so I've no option
> but to ride up it. I do it VERY slowly.

An acquaintance of mine lived at the end of a mile-long gravel road with
some pretty steep sections along the way. With my saddlebags full for an
overnight stay it was dicey going on my bike. It would have been
"easier" in my car, but.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
faq: * w w w .timberwoof . com /motorcycle/faq.shtml
It's easy to say a war is so important your neighbor should go fight it for you.

Reply from: Beav
Date: 25 Mar 2007, 21:11
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@infernosoft . com > wrote in message
news:timberwoof.spam-D13595.09462724032007@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic . net ...
> In article <y3bNh.17160$2F5.9596@newsfe5-win.ntli . net >,
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld . com > wrote:
>
>> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
>> news:460471ee$0$97224$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews . net ...
>> >>>>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an utterly bizarre reason to
>> >>>>>ban
>> >>>>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really trying to keep the
>> >>>> noisy
>> >>>> bikes out?
>> >>>
>> >>> Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy. Standing next to it, you can
>> >>> barely hear it running at idle.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dave, they can't afford to repair the damage to the road that you'll
>> >> do
>> >> to it when you have an off.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What, your last high-side bankrupted them? :) I've had a couple close
>> > calls, and scraped the 'pegs' a few times (well, the sidestand and
>> > underbody, which are actually lower). But so far, I've managed not to
>> > drop it, ever. Closest I came to dropping it was in a construction
>> > zone
>> > where the pavement was totally removed and (rather strangely) replaced
>> > with deep gravel. I was going really slow (maybe too slow?) and the
>> > front
>> > wheel sank into a deep spot in the gravel, leading to an "OH SHIT"
>> > moment.
>> > Had to park it for a while to gather my wits before I hit the road
>> > again,
>> > it was pretty scary. But I did NOT drop it.
>>
>>
>> Just winding you up Dave. As for riding on that gravel, I don't think
>> speed
>> would help. A friend of mine has his driveway covered in gravel and I
>> fucking HATE going there, but it's too long to walk up, so I've no option
>> but to ride up it. I do it VERY slowly.
>
> An acquaintance of mine lived at the end of a mile-long gravel road with
> some pretty steep sections along the way. With my saddlebags full for an
> overnight stay it was dicey going on my bike. It would have been
> "easier" in my car, but.

I can get up my pal's drive in the cage and change radio stations at the
same time, but it's a REAL ball-ache going up on the bike.

I wonder if that makes it one of those roads which are safe for cars, but
not for bikes. I vote yes.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19



Reply from: Keith Schiffner
Date: 24 Mar 2007, 03:51
Re: Roads unsafe for motorcycles, but OK for cages...


"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:460447bd$0$97223$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews . net ...
>
> "Venture Rider" <dontbother@bogus.dom> wrote in
> message
> news:4604318e$0$10590$c3e8da3@news.astraweb . com ...
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:36:56 -0400, Mike T.
>> said:
>>
>>>Is it just me, or does this seem like an
>>>utterly bizarre reason to ban
>>>motorcycle traffic? -Dave
>>
>> Maybe it's just an excuse and they are really
>> trying to keep the noisy
>> bikes out?
>
> Possibly. But my bike is hardly noisy.
> Standing next to it, you can barely hear it
> running at idle. -Dave

Being an asshole in fine standing I most likely
would have just ridden around the damn gate and
carried on. When confronted the answer is short
and simple ( like the minds of the cunts with the
gate fetish ) Because I can and if that road is
dangerous I'm your father, now go bother some
little kids it's more your speed.

--
Keith Schiffner
History does not record anywhere at any time a
religion that has any rational basis. Religion is
a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up
to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff,
most people do have a religion and spend time and
money on it and seem to derive considerable
pleasure from fiddling with it.
Robert Heinlein




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