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Re: I want to do this ride
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:53:09 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
<robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote:
>
>"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote in message
>news:Xns9904CE95BB3C3smvsmv@216.196.97.142...
>> Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>> news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>>
>>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>>> going.
>>
>> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>> can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>> truck...
>>
>It's a nasty road for trailers though -
>
> http :// www .tailofthedragon,com /dragon_trucks.html
>
>Robert
>
Thanks for the link Robert. Great pictures. Well maybe not great for
those involved, but they sure highlight the potential problem.
--
24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case
Coincidence?
I think not
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:53:09 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
<robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote:
>
>"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote in message
>news:Xns9904CE95BB3C3smvsmv@216.196.97.142...
>> Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>> news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>>
>>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>>> going.
>>
>> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>> can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>> truck...
>>
>It's a nasty road for trailers though -
>
> http :// www .tailofthedragon,com /dragon_trucks.html
>
>Robert
>
Thanks for the link Robert. Great pictures. Well maybe not great for
those involved, but they sure highlight the potential problem.
--
24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case
Coincidence?
I think not
Re: I want to do this ride
"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > writes:
> The idiot simply froze up. Even with where the truck was when it first
> came into view there was plenty of room to go around it...
As an expert bike crasher, I can tell you that sometimes when you fix
on a target (like a tree or, uh, rock), it can be very difficult to
get the brain to unfreeze and push forward on the appropriate grip
(the left in this case).
It does look like a simple weave job to avoid the truck. I've had to
do the same on occasion on the little rural lanes in my area. There
really is nothing like seeing a big vehicle come around a blind curve
or over a blind hill on your side of the road.
Shit happens. I'm not going to throw stones at that guy.
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I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > writes:
> The idiot simply froze up. Even with where the truck was when it first
> came into view there was plenty of room to go around it...
As an expert bike crasher, I can tell you that sometimes when you fix
on a target (like a tree or, uh, rock), it can be very difficult to
get the brain to unfreeze and push forward on the appropriate grip
(the left in this case).
It does look like a simple weave job to avoid the truck. I've had to
do the same on occasion on the little rural lanes in my area. There
really is nothing like seeing a big vehicle come around a blind curve
or over a blind hill on your side of the road.
Shit happens. I'm not going to throw stones at that guy.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
Re: I want to do this ride
On 01 Apr 2007 10:06:34 -0400, David Steuber
<david@david-steuber,com > wrote:
>"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > writes:
>
>> The idiot simply froze up. Even with where the truck was when it first
>> came into view there was plenty of room to go around it...
>
>As an expert bike crasher, I can tell you that sometimes when you fix
>on a target (like a tree or, uh, rock), it can be very difficult to
>get the brain to unfreeze and push forward on the appropriate grip
>(the left in this case).
>
>It does look like a simple weave job to avoid the truck. I've had to
>do the same on occasion on the little rural lanes in my area. There
>really is nothing like seeing a big vehicle come around a blind curve
>or over a blind hill on your side of the road.
>
>Shit happens. I'm not going to throw stones at that guy.
The big problem is to ignore the killer object coming at you
and, instead, focus your vision on where you need to go -
ie, damn the torpedoes - drive the bike - or something like
that. It is the only chance you are going to get.
Lugnut
On 01 Apr 2007 10:06:34 -0400, David Steuber
<david@david-steuber,com > wrote:
>"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > writes:
>
>> The idiot simply froze up. Even with where the truck was when it first
>> came into view there was plenty of room to go around it...
>
>As an expert bike crasher, I can tell you that sometimes when you fix
>on a target (like a tree or, uh, rock), it can be very difficult to
>get the brain to unfreeze and push forward on the appropriate grip
>(the left in this case).
>
>It does look like a simple weave job to avoid the truck. I've had to
>do the same on occasion on the little rural lanes in my area. There
>really is nothing like seeing a big vehicle come around a blind curve
>or over a blind hill on your side of the road.
>
>Shit happens. I'm not going to throw stones at that guy.
The big problem is to ignore the killer object coming at you
and, instead, focus your vision on where you need to go -
ie, damn the torpedoes - drive the bike - or something like
that. It is the only chance you are going to get.
Lugnut
Re: I want to do this ride
"David Steuber" <david@david-steuber,com > wrote in message
news:87y7lcxk7p.fsf@david-steuber,com ...
> "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > writes:
>
>> The idiot simply froze up. Even with where the truck was when it
>> first
>> came into view there was plenty of room to go around it...
>
> As an expert bike crasher, I can tell you that sometimes when you fix
> on a target (like a tree or, uh, rock), it can be very difficult to
> get the brain to unfreeze and push forward on the appropriate grip
> (the left in this case).
>
> It does look like a simple weave job to avoid the truck. I've had to
> do the same on occasion on the little rural lanes in my area. There
> really is nothing like seeing a big vehicle come around a blind curve
> or over a blind hill on your side of the road.
>
> Shit happens. I'm not going to throw stones at that guy.
>
My natural reaction is to freeze up physically, so I can relate. I've yet
to freeze up to the point I couldn't do what I needed to do but I've read
of a few people who died when they froze from taking a corner too hot.
Robert
"David Steuber" <david@david-steuber,com > wrote in message
news:87y7lcxk7p.fsf@david-steuber,com ...
> "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > writes:
>
>> The idiot simply froze up. Even with where the truck was when it
>> first
>> came into view there was plenty of room to go around it...
>
> As an expert bike crasher, I can tell you that sometimes when you fix
> on a target (like a tree or, uh, rock), it can be very difficult to
> get the brain to unfreeze and push forward on the appropriate grip
> (the left in this case).
>
> It does look like a simple weave job to avoid the truck. I've had to
> do the same on occasion on the little rural lanes in my area. There
> really is nothing like seeing a big vehicle come around a blind curve
> or over a blind hill on your side of the road.
>
> Shit happens. I'm not going to throw stones at that guy.
>
My natural reaction is to freeze up physically, so I can relate. I've yet
to freeze up to the point I couldn't do what I needed to do but I've read
of a few people who died when they froze from taking a corner too hot.
Robert
Re: I want to do this ride
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:17:24 -0500, "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote:
>Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>
>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>> going.
>
> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>truck...
The rear wheels follow in the tracks of the front. The front bumper is
~4' in front of the front wheel. The rear bumper is ~10' behind the
rear wheel, ergo it sticks out farther when it goes around a turn.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:17:24 -0500, "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote:
>Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>
>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>> going.
>
> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>truck...
The rear wheels follow in the tracks of the front. The front bumper is
~4' in front of the front wheel. The rear bumper is ~10' behind the
rear wheel, ergo it sticks out farther when it goes around a turn.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
Re: I want to do this ride
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:40:16 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber>
wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:17:24 -0500, "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote:
>
>>Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>>news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>>
>>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>>> going.
>>
>> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>>can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>>truck...
>
>The rear wheels follow in the tracks of the front. The front bumper is
>~4' in front of the front wheel. The rear bumper is ~10' behind the
>rear wheel, ergo it sticks out farther when it goes around a turn.
If I'm not mistaken , the trailer will tend to follow the
connection point, IE the REAR of the truck portion of the rig,
regardless of where the FRONT of the truck IE steering tires are /
were. Also, centrifugal force, as related to / generated by speed,
will swing it wider still. IOW, a very slow moving T/T will follow a
tighter path at the ass end than a fast moving T/T tracking the same
curve.
IOW, take the 'worst case' point of the truck ( the rear ),
and add some according to speed.
But, whatever - the point being, T/T's obviously simply don't
belong on the Dragon or similar roads, regardless of the presence or
absence of motorcycles.
The diagram here is informative
http :// www .thetruckersreport,com /turning_radius_info_for_eighteen_wheelers.shtml
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:40:16 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber>
wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:17:24 -0500, "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote:
>
>>Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>>news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>>
>>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>>> going.
>>
>> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>>can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>>truck...
>
>The rear wheels follow in the tracks of the front. The front bumper is
>~4' in front of the front wheel. The rear bumper is ~10' behind the
>rear wheel, ergo it sticks out farther when it goes around a turn.
If I'm not mistaken , the trailer will tend to follow the
connection point, IE the REAR of the truck portion of the rig,
regardless of where the FRONT of the truck IE steering tires are /
were. Also, centrifugal force, as related to / generated by speed,
will swing it wider still. IOW, a very slow moving T/T will follow a
tighter path at the ass end than a fast moving T/T tracking the same
curve.
IOW, take the 'worst case' point of the truck ( the rear ),
and add some according to speed.
But, whatever - the point being, T/T's obviously simply don't
belong on the Dragon or similar roads, regardless of the presence or
absence of motorcycles.
The diagram here is informative
http :// www .thetruckersreport,com /turning_radius_info_for_eighteen_wheelers.shtml
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http :// www .theanimalrescuesite,com /
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http :// pmilligan,net /palm/
Re: I want to do this ride
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:40:16 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber>
wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:17:24 -0500, "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote:
>
>>Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>>news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>>
>>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>>> going.
>>
>> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>>can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>>truck...
>
>The ...
<emily litella mode on>
Never mind
<emily litella mode off>
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:40:16 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber>
wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:17:24 -0500, "Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote:
>
>>Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
>>news:q9hr03tedshts1st8olrslt41vc2p60nog@4ax,com :
>>
>>> but it's not a given. Also, the rear end of the truck was swinging
>>> wide, and it's impossible to tell in the video _how_ wide it was
>>> going.
>>
>> Unless it was an old tyme style rear-steer vehicle (ala Fire Truck) I
>>can PROMISE you the rear of the trailer was well inside the front of the
>>truck...
>
>The ...
<emily litella mode on>
Never mind
<emily litella mode off>
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
Re: I want to do this ride
Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
news:5u0013l84d2bno1euhurmqaa482eqinq0g@4ax,com :
>>The ...
>
> <emily litella mode on>
> Never mind
> <emily litella mode off>
:)
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Turby <turbosurfer@beach,com ber> wrote in
news:5u0013l84d2bno1euhurmqaa482eqinq0g@4ax,com :
>>The ...
>
> <emily litella mode on>
> Never mind
> <emily litella mode off>
:)
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IBA# 11465
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Re: I want to do this ride
Trailers tend to track to the inside. That is why trucks take turns
wide and why you don't want to be to the left of one in the left turn
lanes at a traffic light. I've seen trailers ride over the median at
the Rt 1 & Rt 202 intersection in Delaware County PA more than once.
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An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
Trailers tend to track to the inside. That is why trucks take turns
wide and why you don't want to be to the left of one in the left turn
lanes at a traffic light. I've seen trailers ride over the median at
the Rt 1 & Rt 202 intersection in Delaware County PA more than once.
--
This post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons.
An ideal world is left as an excercise to the reader.
--- Paul Graham, On Lisp 8.1
At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored.
--- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles
I bump into a lot of veteran riders in my travels.
--- David Hough: Proficient Motorcycling
Re: I want to do this ride
"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9903B9537264Esmvsmv@216.196.97.142...
> David Steuber <david@david-steuber,com > wrote in
> news:877isz9gez.fsf@david-steuber,com :
>
>> Tail of The Dragon:
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=oqtdJKM5Mfk&NR
>
> Speaking of which... Can anyone figure out why this idiot crashed
> *after* the truck was well clear?
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OvrcqeIPYOg
My watching of it... there was a trailer behind the
truck that was still swinging around. You can ask
the guy, he's replying to comments on his YT vid.
__
Steve
'06 FXDI
KI5YG
.
"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9903B9537264Esmvsmv@216.196.97.142...
> David Steuber <david@david-steuber,com > wrote in
> news:877isz9gez.fsf@david-steuber,com :
>
>> Tail of The Dragon:
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=oqtdJKM5Mfk&NR
>
> Speaking of which... Can anyone figure out why this idiot crashed
> *after* the truck was well clear?
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OvrcqeIPYOg
My watching of it... there was a trailer behind the
truck that was still swinging around. You can ask
the guy, he's replying to comments on his YT vid.
__
Steve
'06 FXDI
KI5YG
.
Re: I want to do this ride
"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9903B9537264Esmvsmv@216.196.97.142...
> David Steuber <david@david-steuber,com > wrote in
> news:877isz9gez.fsf@david-steuber,com :
>
>> Tail of The Dragon:
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=oqtdJKM5Mfk&NR
>
> Speaking of which... Can anyone figure out why this idiot crashed
> *after* the truck was well clear?
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OvrcqeIPYOg
>
Pucker factor would be my guess. Froze up like the Harley crasher.
Robert
"Stephen!" <NO@spam,com > wrote in message
news:Xns9903B9537264Esmvsmv@216.196.97.142...
> David Steuber <david@david-steuber,com > wrote in
> news:877isz9gez.fsf@david-steuber,com :
>
>> Tail of The Dragon:
>>
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=oqtdJKM5Mfk&NR
>
> Speaking of which... Can anyone figure out why this idiot crashed
> *after* the truck was well clear?
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OvrcqeIPYOg
>
Pucker factor would be my guess. Froze up like the Harley crasher.
Robert
Re: I want to do this ride
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:30:24 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
<robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote:
>Pucker factor would be my guess. Froze up like the Harley crasher.
I was going to say that. -And- he was driving too fast, beyond his
range of vision.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:30:24 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
<robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote:
>Pucker factor would be my guess. Froze up like the Harley crasher.
I was going to say that. -And- he was driving too fast, beyond his
range of vision.
Re: I want to do this ride
<Blazing Laser> wrote in message
news:dt6s03t4gq22qip3rvc0d24lja4tohhfeb@4ax,com ...
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:30:24 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
> <robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote:
>
>>Pucker factor would be my guess. Froze up like the Harley crasher.
>
> I was going to say that. -And- he was driving too fast, beyond his
> range of vision.
>
That could be closer to the truth, but then I imagine most of the riders
on that road go there for the express purpose of going faster than their
range of vision would suggest. I could see him starting to lean into the
corner, having to stand it up and brake thanks to the truck taking his
lane, then deciding he's still got too much speed to cut back into the
corner. Smacking his head on the edge of the trailer as he hugged the
outer edge might have been on his mind too.
He didn't leave himself enough of a cushion for the possible conditions,
that's for sure. You'd think a vehicle that could stay on its side of the
double yellow wouldn't be allowed to use the road.
Robert
<Blazing Laser> wrote in message
news:dt6s03t4gq22qip3rvc0d24lja4tohhfeb@4ax,com ...
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:30:24 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
> <robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote:
>
>>Pucker factor would be my guess. Froze up like the Harley crasher.
>
> I was going to say that. -And- he was driving too fast, beyond his
> range of vision.
>
That could be closer to the truth, but then I imagine most of the riders
on that road go there for the express purpose of going faster than their
range of vision would suggest. I could see him starting to lean into the
corner, having to stand it up and brake thanks to the truck taking his
lane, then deciding he's still got too much speed to cut back into the
corner. Smacking his head on the edge of the trailer as he hugged the
outer edge might have been on his mind too.
He didn't leave himself enough of a cushion for the possible conditions,
that's for sure. You'd think a vehicle that could stay on its side of the
double yellow wouldn't be allowed to use the road.
Robert
Re: I want to do this ride
"Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote in message
news:130sur2hgdhe006@corp.supernews,com ...
...
> He didn't leave himself enough of a cushion for the possible conditions,
> that's for sure. You'd think a vehicle that could stay on its side of the
> double yellow wouldn't be allowed to use the road.
It was, in fact, illegal for the truck to be there.
I read this in the comments.
__
Steve
.
"Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote in message
news:130sur2hgdhe006@corp.supernews,com ...
...
> He didn't leave himself enough of a cushion for the possible conditions,
> that's for sure. You'd think a vehicle that could stay on its side of the
> double yellow wouldn't be allowed to use the road.
It was, in fact, illegal for the truck to be there.
I read this in the comments.
__
Steve
.
Re: I want to do this ride
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote in message
> news:130sur2hgdhe006@corp.supernews,com ...
>
> ...
>
>> He didn't leave himself enough of a cushion for the possible conditions,
>> that's for sure. You'd think a vehicle that could stay on its side of the
>> double yellow wouldn't be allowed to use the road.
>
> It was, in fact, illegal for the truck to be there.
> I read this in the comments.
Illegal or not, those huge semis *do* use the Dragon all the time. So
a prudent rider would allow for their presence, the legalities won't
matter when you're squashed like a bug on a Kenworth's radiator...
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop@gci,net > wrote in message
> news:130sur2hgdhe006@corp.supernews,com ...
>
> ...
>
>> He didn't leave himself enough of a cushion for the possible conditions,
>> that's for sure. You'd think a vehicle that could stay on its side of the
>> double yellow wouldn't be allowed to use the road.
>
> It was, in fact, illegal for the truck to be there.
> I read this in the comments.
Illegal or not, those huge semis *do* use the Dragon all the time. So
a prudent rider would allow for their presence, the legalities won't
matter when you're squashed like a bug on a Kenworth's radiator...
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7
