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OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
- invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill. Fighting
a dull blade can also get extremely dangerous. There's nothing like a
brandy-new razor sharp blade, so I keep 3 chains ready to go, and
change them as soon as I feel the cutting speed drop off. After a
cutting session, I sharpen them all up in 10 minutes using one of
these Bad Larrys.
http :// www .harborfreight,com /cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber“213
Don't let the rediculously low price fool you - this thing actually
works great. The blade set-up gizmo is a little cheesy, but easily
modified if you're anal-retentive enough (let me know haw it goes,
Jeff). With the stock setup, it takes me less than 5 minutes to fully
sharpen a blade, and while an electric sharpener will use up a blade
at least 10 times faster than a file, with the hours you save, who
cares, IMHO. They're on sale right now, so get 'em while they're hot.
Other than my "My other butt is on a KX250" tattoo, it's the best $30
I ever spent.
JayC
For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
- invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill. Fighting
a dull blade can also get extremely dangerous. There's nothing like a
brandy-new razor sharp blade, so I keep 3 chains ready to go, and
change them as soon as I feel the cutting speed drop off. After a
cutting session, I sharpen them all up in 10 minutes using one of
these Bad Larrys.
http :// www .harborfreight,com /cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber“213
Don't let the rediculously low price fool you - this thing actually
works great. The blade set-up gizmo is a little cheesy, but easily
modified if you're anal-retentive enough (let me know haw it goes,
Jeff). With the stock setup, it takes me less than 5 minutes to fully
sharpen a blade, and while an electric sharpener will use up a blade
at least 10 times faster than a file, with the hours you save, who
cares, IMHO. They're on sale right now, so get 'em while they're hot.
Other than my "My other butt is on a KX250" tattoo, it's the best $30
I ever spent.
JayC
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Apr 24, 10:38 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix,net > wrote:
> For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill. Fighting
> a dull blade can also get extremely dangerous. There's nothing like a
> brandy-new razor sharp blade, so I keep 3 chains ready to go, and
> change them as soon as I feel the cutting speed drop off. After a
> cutting session, I sharpen them all up in 10 minutes using one of
> these Bad Larrys.
>
> http :// www .harborfreight,com /cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber“213
>
> Don't let the rediculously low price fool you - this thing actually
> works great. The blade set-up gizmo is a little cheesy, but easily
> modified if you're anal-retentive enough (let me know haw it goes,
> Jeff). With the stock setup, it takes me less than 5 minutes to fully
> sharpen a blade, and while an electric sharpener will use up a blade
> at least 10 times faster than a file, with the hours you save, who
> cares, IMHO. They're on sale right now, so get 'em while they're hot.
>
> Other than my "My other butt is on a KX250" tattoo, it's the best $30
> I ever spent.
>
> JayC
Funny you should post a HF item- I was just pondering their ball-
joint / U-joint press.
Read enough to make me think the $100 blue-point is worth the extra 55
bucks.
HF is funny though- some cheap stuff is worth the price, other stuff
is all junk, and then there's the products where every 5th item is no
good, but the other 4 are golden.
Dave
On Apr 24, 10:38 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix,net > wrote:
> For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill. Fighting
> a dull blade can also get extremely dangerous. There's nothing like a
> brandy-new razor sharp blade, so I keep 3 chains ready to go, and
> change them as soon as I feel the cutting speed drop off. After a
> cutting session, I sharpen them all up in 10 minutes using one of
> these Bad Larrys.
>
> http :// www .harborfreight,com /cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber“213
>
> Don't let the rediculously low price fool you - this thing actually
> works great. The blade set-up gizmo is a little cheesy, but easily
> modified if you're anal-retentive enough (let me know haw it goes,
> Jeff). With the stock setup, it takes me less than 5 minutes to fully
> sharpen a blade, and while an electric sharpener will use up a blade
> at least 10 times faster than a file, with the hours you save, who
> cares, IMHO. They're on sale right now, so get 'em while they're hot.
>
> Other than my "My other butt is on a KX250" tattoo, it's the best $30
> I ever spent.
>
> JayC
Funny you should post a HF item- I was just pondering their ball-
joint / U-joint press.
Read enough to make me think the $100 blue-point is worth the extra 55
bucks.
HF is funny though- some cheap stuff is worth the price, other stuff
is all junk, and then there's the products where every 5th item is no
good, but the other 4 are golden.
Dave
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
"JayC" ...
> For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
with the chain. But you knew that.
Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
Happiness is a sharp chain.
Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
-Dean
done my time in the tree business
"JayC" ...
> For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
with the chain. But you knew that.
Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
Happiness is a sharp chain.
Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
-Dean
done my time in the tree business
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Apr 24, 12:01 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> "JayC" ...
>
> > For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> > chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> > - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
>
> Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
> with the chain. But you knew that.
>
> Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
> edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
JayC
On Apr 24, 12:01 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> "JayC" ...
>
> > For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> > chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> > - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
>
> Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
> with the chain. But you knew that.
>
> Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
> edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
JayC
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
> Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the
> cutting
> edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
*No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
*height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
*unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
Maybe on toy saws. The back of the tooth is not exactly parallel with the
bar. This makes perfect sense because you wouldn't want the friction from
the back of the tooth robbing power. It's a very subtle thing.
My info dcomes from working with a guy who lives and breathes logs for the
last three decades. Also the guy who got me into dirtbikes. Chip. Even his
name says wood.
I guess he sorta got me into my only street bike too because we used to do
Laconia Motorcycle Weekend (aka Loudon Classic) back when it was a weekend
not a week. The first year he hauled me around on the bitch pillion so the
next year I had my CB 175 in freshly restored glory so I didn't have to ride
like a female dog. I only went for three or four years... sorta hard to
remember.
Chip has helped me with a whole ton of stuff over the years. I probably owe
him a beer soon.
<walks away from computer and drinks a couple large vodka cocktails, not
knowing I hadn't decided whether to post this or click the red X>
> Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the
> cutting
> edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
*No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
*height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
*unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
Maybe on toy saws. The back of the tooth is not exactly parallel with the
bar. This makes perfect sense because you wouldn't want the friction from
the back of the tooth robbing power. It's a very subtle thing.
My info dcomes from working with a guy who lives and breathes logs for the
last three decades. Also the guy who got me into dirtbikes. Chip. Even his
name says wood.
I guess he sorta got me into my only street bike too because we used to do
Laconia Motorcycle Weekend (aka Loudon Classic) back when it was a weekend
not a week. The first year he hauled me around on the bitch pillion so the
next year I had my CB 175 in freshly restored glory so I didn't have to ride
like a female dog. I only went for three or four years... sorta hard to
remember.
Chip has helped me with a whole ton of stuff over the years. I probably owe
him a beer soon.
<walks away from computer and drinks a couple large vodka cocktails, not
knowing I hadn't decided whether to post this or click the red X>
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Apr 24, 8:48 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> > Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> > hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the
> > cutting
> > edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> > throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> > raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
>
> *No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
> *height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
> *unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
>
> Maybe on toy saws. The back of the tooth is not exactly parallel with the
> bar. This makes perfect sense because you wouldn't want the friction from
> the back of the tooth robbing power. It's a very subtle thing.
I didn't know that. Probably never sharpend one down that far... :)
On Apr 24, 8:48 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> > Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> > hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the
> > cutting
> > edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> > throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> > raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
>
> *No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
> *height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
> *unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
>
> Maybe on toy saws. The back of the tooth is not exactly parallel with the
> bar. This makes perfect sense because you wouldn't want the friction from
> the back of the tooth robbing power. It's a very subtle thing.
I didn't know that. Probably never sharpend one down that far... :)
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Apr 24, 2:42 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix,net > wrote:
> On Apr 24, 12:01 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
>
> > "JayC" ...
>
> > > For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> > > chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> > > - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
>
> > Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
> > with the chain. But you knew that.
>
> > Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> > hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
> > edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> > throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> > raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
>
> No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
> height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
> unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
That is my undderstanding of how it works too. If your teeth are
getting shorter... you're doing it wrong???
On Apr 24, 2:42 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix,net > wrote:
> On Apr 24, 12:01 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
>
> > "JayC" ...
>
> > > For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
> > > chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
> > > - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
>
> > Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
> > with the chain. But you knew that.
>
> > Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
> > hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
> > edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
> > throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
> > raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
>
> No, the rakers are not touched. The cutting edge does not change
> height from the first sharpening until there aren't any teeth left,
> unless you're sharpening the wrong side of the tooth (??!!).
That is my undderstanding of how it works too. If your teeth are
getting shorter... you're doing it wrong???
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
get it. Boring.
And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
men whine and cry like little girls?
I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
4" grinder.
Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
JayC
> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
get it. Boring.
And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
men whine and cry like little girls?
I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
4" grinder.
Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
JayC
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
"JayC" <...
>> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
> I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
> interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
> minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
> out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
> bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
> get it. Boring.
You are correct. But watching big treees flip off the stump is still cooler
than another cage of crab. Or that guy cutting out a huge top. I've got some
serious respect for that shit.
>
> And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
> shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
> SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
> stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
> men whine and cry like little girls?
I dropped Speed last year. I was just spending too much on media and not
enough on real life.
>
> I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
> Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
> sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
> running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
> wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
> the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
> ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
> they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
> 4" grinder.
Just right height is good so the saw doesn't bog down. Hot rod saws maybe
don't need them.
>
> Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
> directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
> think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
> figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
Seen that. Total gimmick. Maybe pretty good for demolition. I see no use for
it in precision work. Cool marketing coup though.
"JayC" <...
>> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
> I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
> interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
> minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
> out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
> bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
> get it. Boring.
You are correct. But watching big treees flip off the stump is still cooler
than another cage of crab. Or that guy cutting out a huge top. I've got some
serious respect for that shit.
>
> And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
> shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
> SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
> stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
> men whine and cry like little girls?
I dropped Speed last year. I was just spending too much on media and not
enough on real life.
>
> I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
> Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
> sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
> running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
> wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
> the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
> ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
> they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
> 4" grinder.
Just right height is good so the saw doesn't bog down. Hot rod saws maybe
don't need them.
>
> Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
> directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
> think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
> figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
Seen that. Total gimmick. Maybe pretty good for demolition. I see no use for
it in precision work. Cool marketing coup though.
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Apr 24, 9:05 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> "JayC" <...
>
> >> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
> > I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
> > interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
> > minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
> > out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
> > bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
> > get it. Boring.
>
> You are correct. But watching big treees flip off the stump is still cooler
> than another cage of crab. Or that guy cutting out a huge top. I've got some
> serious respect for that shit.
>
>
>
> > And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
> > shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
> > SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
> > stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
> > men whine and cry like little girls?
>
> I dropped Speed last year. I was just spending too much on media and not
> enough on real life.
>
>
>
> > I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
> > Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
> > sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
> > running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
> > wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
> > the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
> > ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
> > they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
> > 4" grinder.
>
> Just right height is good so the saw doesn't bog down. Hot rod saws maybe
> don't need them.
>
>
>
> > Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
> > directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
> > think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
> > figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
>
> Seen that. Total gimmick. Maybe pretty good for demolition. I see no use for
> it in precision work. Cool marketing coup though.
I'm thinking that a selder friend of mine told me there was a special
purpose for those grinders... but can't remember what it was?
On Apr 24, 9:05 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
> "JayC" <...
>
> >> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
> > I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
> > interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
> > minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
> > out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
> > bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
> > get it. Boring.
>
> You are correct. But watching big treees flip off the stump is still cooler
> than another cage of crab. Or that guy cutting out a huge top. I've got some
> serious respect for that shit.
>
>
>
> > And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
> > shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
> > SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
> > stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
> > men whine and cry like little girls?
>
> I dropped Speed last year. I was just spending too much on media and not
> enough on real life.
>
>
>
> > I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
> > Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
> > sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
> > running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
> > wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
> > the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
> > ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
> > they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
> > 4" grinder.
>
> Just right height is good so the saw doesn't bog down. Hot rod saws maybe
> don't need them.
>
>
>
> > Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
> > directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
> > think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
> > figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
>
> Seen that. Total gimmick. Maybe pretty good for demolition. I see no use for
> it in precision work. Cool marketing coup though.
I'm thinking that a selder friend of mine told me there was a special
purpose for those grinders... but can't remember what it was?
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Apr 24, 9:49 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...@eku.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 9:05 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JayC" <...
>
> > >> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
> > > I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
> > > interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
> > > minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
> > > out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
> > > bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
> > > get it. Boring.
>
> > You are correct. But watching big treees flip off the stump is still cooler
> > than another cage of crab. Or that guy cutting out a huge top. I've got some
> > serious respect for that shit.
>
> > > And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
> > > shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
> > > SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
> > > stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
> > > men whine and cry like little girls?
>
> > I dropped Speed last year. I was just spending too much on media and not
> > enough on real life.
>
> > > I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
> > > Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
> > > sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
> > > running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
> > > wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
> > > the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
> > > ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
> > > they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
> > > 4" grinder.
>
> > Just right height is good so the saw doesn't bog down. Hot rod saws maybe
> > don't need them.
>
> > > Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
> > > directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
> > > think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
> > > figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
>
> > Seen that. Total gimmick. Maybe pretty good for demolition. I see no use for
> > it in precision work. Cool marketing coup though.
>
> I'm thinking that a selder friend of mine told me there was a special
> purpose for those grinders... but can't remember what it was?
Looks like its been around since at least '04.
Here's some comments on it-
http :// hobartwelders,com /weldtalk/printthread.php?td20&pp@
Dave
On Apr 24, 9:49 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...@eku.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 9:05 pm, "Dean H." <m...@groove.calm> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JayC" <...
>
> > >> Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
> > > I watched it a couple of times. I thought it would be good, and I AM
> > > interested in the whole logger thing, but I found that after 5
> > > minutes, I'd seen everything that was going to be shown and got bored
> > > out of watching it anymore. Same for that Dangerous Catch show. A
> > > bunch of my friends thing that is the greatest show on TV, but I don't
> > > get it. Boring.
>
> > You are correct. But watching big treees flip off the stump is still cooler
> > than another cage of crab. Or that guy cutting out a huge top. I've got some
> > serious respect for that shit.
>
> > > And what's with all of those damned car customizing and car auction
> > > shows on SPEED all the time? You telling me there isn't a race
> > > SOMEWHERE that can be shown? The only thing worse than that is that
> > > stupid "Pinks" show. Man, do I really have to watch TV to see grown
> > > men whine and cry like little girls?
>
> > I dropped Speed last year. I was just spending too much on media and not
> > enough on real life.
>
> > > I checked out a new blade a few minutes ago across the street at
> > > Sears. That blade had tapered teeth, so they would get shorter as
> > > sharpened - and quickly with the power sharpener. The blades I'm
> > > running don't have nearly the taper of what I looked at today. If you
> > > wanted to take down the rakers, you'd have to do it by hand. Most of
> > > the serious guys use chains that don't have rakers anyway, and the
> > > ones that use the cheaper chains file the rakers out of the way before
> > > they even use it. I didn't bother, but it would be short work with a
> > > 4" grinder.
>
> > Just right height is good so the saw doesn't bog down. Hot rod saws maybe
> > don't need them.
>
> > > Speaking of which, I saw a cool tool today while at Sears. It's a bi-
> > > directional saw - looks like a grinder, but has twin blades (6 1/2", I
> > > think) that are situated and rotate in opposite directions. I can't
> > > figure out what it's used for, but I want one.
>
> > Seen that. Total gimmick. Maybe pretty good for demolition. I see no use for
> > it in precision work. Cool marketing coup though.
>
> I'm thinking that a selder friend of mine told me there was a special
> purpose for those grinders... but can't remember what it was?
Looks like its been around since at least '04.
Here's some comments on it-
http :// hobartwelders,com /weldtalk/printthread.php?td20&pp@
Dave
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:01:32 -0400, "Dean H." <moto@groove.calm>
wrote:
>"JayC" ...
>> For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
>> chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
>> - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
>
>Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
>with the chain. But you knew that.
>
>Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
>hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
>edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
>throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
>raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
>
>Happiness is a sharp chain.
>
>Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
>-Dean
>done my time in the tree business
>
We watch it all the time. We lived and logged some of those very
forests back in the mid-'70s. My step-father drove a log truck and my
mom set chokers. The timber was hauled to a mill in north Klamath
Falls. We lived across the highway from the mill (albeit about a mile
or so). The smell of fresh-cut conifers and bark mulch was everpresent
there.
As for the show, I think it'd be more interesting to IQ test those
guys. I mean, I get the feeling that they know logging, but little
else. And because of that, most of them treat the rookies and younger
guys like shit in order to make themselves feel superior. They know
that's all they have over them -- experience in the industry -- so
they use that to intimidate the rookies. It's really a sad reflection
on those guys if you ask me. Especially since so many of them have
been maimed or injured during their *own* careers. There's no
compelling reason for them to treat the younger guys like they do.
That said, I've enjoyed many aspects of the show. That one grumpy
old tree-faller is poetry in motion with a chainsaw. And hell, maybe
that's the price you pay for being so good at falling trees... that
you're a grumpy, one-dimensional, most indifferent father? ***shrug***
I like watching the heavy equipment too. If they did an excavation
show with bulldozers, excavators, backhoes and shit like that I'd
watch it. It's the only thing that makes construction delays here in
the metroplex bearable. I watched a guy in a big grader take out some
cones and and a construction sign last year before he got the thing
whoaaed. ;-p
I can also see Jay's point... the show does get repetitive. But
then, it's a repetitive business. Btyw, anyone wanna buy about $5k
worth of good logging rope?
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:01:32 -0400, "Dean H." <moto@groove.calm>
wrote:
>"JayC" ...
>> For those manly men who have a chainsaw - it's my experience that a
>> chain is good for all of about one tree, if you're dropping and dicing
>> - invarably, you'll tap the ground, then it's all downhill.
>
>Rule number one (after all the safety rules) is not to touch dirt or rock
>with the chain. But you knew that.
>
>Does that tool take down the rakers too, or do you ahve to dress those by
>hand? After a few sharpenings the rakers remain tall compared to the cutting
>edge. They sort of control the depth of the bite, so if a sharp chain is
>throwing small chips try taking a pass or two with a flat file on each
>raker's top ti fine tune your chip size.
>
>Happiness is a sharp chain.
>
>Hey, anybody watching Ax Men?
>
>-Dean
>done my time in the tree business
>
We watch it all the time. We lived and logged some of those very
forests back in the mid-'70s. My step-father drove a log truck and my
mom set chokers. The timber was hauled to a mill in north Klamath
Falls. We lived across the highway from the mill (albeit about a mile
or so). The smell of fresh-cut conifers and bark mulch was everpresent
there.
As for the show, I think it'd be more interesting to IQ test those
guys. I mean, I get the feeling that they know logging, but little
else. And because of that, most of them treat the rookies and younger
guys like shit in order to make themselves feel superior. They know
that's all they have over them -- experience in the industry -- so
they use that to intimidate the rookies. It's really a sad reflection
on those guys if you ask me. Especially since so many of them have
been maimed or injured during their *own* careers. There's no
compelling reason for them to treat the younger guys like they do.
That said, I've enjoyed many aspects of the show. That one grumpy
old tree-faller is poetry in motion with a chainsaw. And hell, maybe
that's the price you pay for being so good at falling trees... that
you're a grumpy, one-dimensional, most indifferent father? ***shrug***
I like watching the heavy equipment too. If they did an excavation
show with bulldozers, excavators, backhoes and shit like that I'd
watch it. It's the only thing that makes construction delays here in
the metroplex bearable. I watched a guy in a big grader take out some
cones and and a construction sign last year before he got the thing
whoaaed. ;-p
I can also see Jay's point... the show does get repetitive. But
then, it's a repetitive business. Btyw, anyone wanna buy about $5k
worth of good logging rope?
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
> As for the show, I think it'd be more interesting to IQ test those
> guys. I mean, I get the feeling that they know logging, but little
> else. And because of that, most of them treat the rookies and younger
> guys like shit in order to make themselves feel superior. They know
> that's all they have over them -- experience in the industry -- so
> they use that to intimidate the rookies. It's really a sad reflection
> on those guys if you ask me. Especially since so many of them have
> been maimed or injured during their *own* careers. There's no
> compelling reason for them to treat the younger guys like they do.
There's a right of passage component too it as well. You see the same
thing with the greenhorns on "Deadliest Catch". You can find something
similar on about any sports team as well. Hazing... ala
fraternities...
> As for the show, I think it'd be more interesting to IQ test those
> guys. I mean, I get the feeling that they know logging, but little
> else. And because of that, most of them treat the rookies and younger
> guys like shit in order to make themselves feel superior. They know
> that's all they have over them -- experience in the industry -- so
> they use that to intimidate the rookies. It's really a sad reflection
> on those guys if you ask me. Especially since so many of them have
> been maimed or injured during their *own* careers. There's no
> compelling reason for them to treat the younger guys like they do.
There's a right of passage component too it as well. You see the same
thing with the greenhorns on "Deadliest Catch". You can find something
similar on about any sports team as well. Hazing... ala
fraternities...
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
> You can find something
>similar on about any sports team as well. Hazing... ala
>fraternities...
Don't get me started. The lacrosse coach and snot-nosed team here just lost
a player who was the number two scorer on a division championship team last
year, all because of what you describe. New kid in town hates it here now.
Great.
> You can find something
>similar on about any sports team as well. Hazing... ala
>fraternities...
Don't get me started. The lacrosse coach and snot-nosed team here just lost
a player who was the number two scorer on a division championship team last
year, all because of what you describe. New kid in town hates it here now.
Great.
Re: OT - Public service - everybody needs one of these
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:35:22 -0400, "Dean H." <moto@groove.calm>
wrote:
>
>> You can find something
>>similar on about any sports team as well. Hazing... ala
>>fraternities...
>
>Don't get me started. The lacrosse coach and snot-nosed team here just lost
>a player who was the number two scorer on a division championship team last
>year, all because of what you describe. New kid in town hates it here now.
>Great.
>
Yeah, I hate that shit. I mean, a little good-natured teasing or
one-time "initiation" thing (ala practical joke) -- done sensibly --
is one thing. But the constant "you're an idiot, I'm a genius" shit
gets old real fast and seldom produces ideal results. You might have a
guy that'd work his ass off for you and do anything for the good of
the company, but lose him because of some assholes trying to prove how
awesome they are by constantly putting the kid down.
To me, it's a lot (though not exactly) like theses prima-donna wide
receivers in the NFL. "Look at me! Look at me! I just made a catch!"
Yeah? Well Jerry Rice made over 1,500 of 'em, and you didn't see
him acting a fool. He didn't have to. And neither do the guys on Axe
Men. It's obvious to the viewer, through their actions, that they are
great lumberjacks. No need to put down the youngsters in order to make
yourself feel superior. You *are* superior. You have many years more
experience and a much greater knowledge of the trade. Instead, you
should be encouraging and helping the young guys.
Again, nothing wrong with good-natured ribbing though. The keys
being "good-natured" and knowing when to say when.
You're right though Dudley, there are some guys with the same
mentality on Deadliest Catch too. Fortunately, there are some other
guys who are class acts and who really want the greenhorns to succeed.
I really like Captain Phil Harris (Cornelia Marie). His kids may be
worthless, but he strikes me as a pretty good guy. And Sig's a good
guy. But one of the ships has (or had) a deck boss that was a real
asshole. Always bitchy, confrontational and belittling. No need for
that. Now I'm not saying there aren't occasions where these guys need
to yell, discipline, or otherwise instruct the greenhorns on proper
safety procedures and/or how to correctly perform a given job. That's
not my complaint. I'm just talking about the "making someone feel
smaller simply so you feel bigger" mentality. I don't know about you,
but I'm big enough to not have to put rookies down. Oh sure, I may
tease 'em a little bit, but it'll be good-natured and not intended to
belittle anyone. And just because the guy who trained you was an
asshole doesn't mean you must continue the trend. Just treat 'em the
way you would've liked to have been treated. That's all I'm sayin'.
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:35:22 -0400, "Dean H." <moto@groove.calm>
wrote:
>
>> You can find something
>>similar on about any sports team as well. Hazing... ala
>>fraternities...
>
>Don't get me started. The lacrosse coach and snot-nosed team here just lost
>a player who was the number two scorer on a division championship team last
>year, all because of what you describe. New kid in town hates it here now.
>Great.
>
Yeah, I hate that shit. I mean, a little good-natured teasing or
one-time "initiation" thing (ala practical joke) -- done sensibly --
is one thing. But the constant "you're an idiot, I'm a genius" shit
gets old real fast and seldom produces ideal results. You might have a
guy that'd work his ass off for you and do anything for the good of
the company, but lose him because of some assholes trying to prove how
awesome they are by constantly putting the kid down.
To me, it's a lot (though not exactly) like theses prima-donna wide
receivers in the NFL. "Look at me! Look at me! I just made a catch!"
Yeah? Well Jerry Rice made over 1,500 of 'em, and you didn't see
him acting a fool. He didn't have to. And neither do the guys on Axe
Men. It's obvious to the viewer, through their actions, that they are
great lumberjacks. No need to put down the youngsters in order to make
yourself feel superior. You *are* superior. You have many years more
experience and a much greater knowledge of the trade. Instead, you
should be encouraging and helping the young guys.
Again, nothing wrong with good-natured ribbing though. The keys
being "good-natured" and knowing when to say when.
You're right though Dudley, there are some guys with the same
mentality on Deadliest Catch too. Fortunately, there are some other
guys who are class acts and who really want the greenhorns to succeed.
I really like Captain Phil Harris (Cornelia Marie). His kids may be
worthless, but he strikes me as a pretty good guy. And Sig's a good
guy. But one of the ships has (or had) a deck boss that was a real
asshole. Always bitchy, confrontational and belittling. No need for
that. Now I'm not saying there aren't occasions where these guys need
to yell, discipline, or otherwise instruct the greenhorns on proper
safety procedures and/or how to correctly perform a given job. That's
not my complaint. I'm just talking about the "making someone feel
smaller simply so you feel bigger" mentality. I don't know about you,
but I'm big enough to not have to put rookies down. Oh sure, I may
tease 'em a little bit, but it'll be good-natured and not intended to
belittle anyone. And just because the guy who trained you was an
asshole doesn't mean you must continue the trend. Just treat 'em the
way you would've liked to have been treated. That's all I'm sayin'.
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
