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non bike ride report
the cast..
diesel lawnmower:
delorean:
gmc truck:
i drove gmc with landscape trailer in tow to the barn to fetch the patio
furniture... apparently dad synced his watch with me and was walking to the
barn at the same time. the truck is a well used vehicle (built a few houses
with that truck) anyhow i bounced gingerly over the pasture on my way to the
barn with the monster sized black lab looking like he'd rather be in the
truck with me than loping along side... i spun the truck around front &
parked on the cement pad and was given a hearty welcome from the wet muddy
black galout and played a quick game of chase and rub my chin & scratch me
behind the ears... i started loading up the truck bed & trailer with the
iron furniture... dad arrived and set to fiddling with car batteries &
chargers... the delorean seemed to be in his sights since it had been a
while since the car was on the road. we pushed the silver wedge out a bit to
get a proper look at it and then ran a volt meter on the battery 12 V hmm
click click no luck then i held the meter on the battery when we engaged
the starter.. it dropped to 4.8 volts, "she's dead jim" so i got to looking
around the barn and spotted a lawn mower with a big battery and had pops
drive it over so i could hook up the jumper cables...a short time later the
delorean is turning over and spitting stale gas hiccups & coughs... a shot
of ether down the gully and a few more hiccups and the car springs to life
just like the day we got it 25 + years ago... delorean are not noted for
their plush suspension nor ground clearance.. so i did not venture out into
the field with the car and the short battery (i did not wish to be stuck
with a dead battery) so i hopped on the diesel lawnmower and spun around a
bit then put it away.. dad had that look in his eye and i reminded him about
the battery as i drove off in the gmc full of lawn furniture wondering if he
was going to go for a ride around the block...
john
so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
think...>
the cast..
diesel lawnmower:
delorean:
gmc truck:
i drove gmc with landscape trailer in tow to the barn to fetch the patio
furniture... apparently dad synced his watch with me and was walking to the
barn at the same time. the truck is a well used vehicle (built a few houses
with that truck) anyhow i bounced gingerly over the pasture on my way to the
barn with the monster sized black lab looking like he'd rather be in the
truck with me than loping along side... i spun the truck around front &
parked on the cement pad and was given a hearty welcome from the wet muddy
black galout and played a quick game of chase and rub my chin & scratch me
behind the ears... i started loading up the truck bed & trailer with the
iron furniture... dad arrived and set to fiddling with car batteries &
chargers... the delorean seemed to be in his sights since it had been a
while since the car was on the road. we pushed the silver wedge out a bit to
get a proper look at it and then ran a volt meter on the battery 12 V hmm
click click no luck then i held the meter on the battery when we engaged
the starter.. it dropped to 4.8 volts, "she's dead jim" so i got to looking
around the barn and spotted a lawn mower with a big battery and had pops
drive it over so i could hook up the jumper cables...a short time later the
delorean is turning over and spitting stale gas hiccups & coughs... a shot
of ether down the gully and a few more hiccups and the car springs to life
just like the day we got it 25 + years ago... delorean are not noted for
their plush suspension nor ground clearance.. so i did not venture out into
the field with the car and the short battery (i did not wish to be stuck
with a dead battery) so i hopped on the diesel lawnmower and spun around a
bit then put it away.. dad had that look in his eye and i reminded him about
the battery as i drove off in the gmc full of lawn furniture wondering if he
was going to go for a ride around the block...
john
so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
think...>
Re: non bike ride report
On Apr 30, 8:51 am, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
> the cast..
> diesel lawnmower:
> delorean:
> gmc truck:
>
> i drove gmc with landscape trailer in tow to the barn to fetch the patio
> furniture... apparently dad synced his watch with me and was walking to the
> barn at the same time. the truck is a well used vehicle (built a few houses
> with that truck) anyhow i bounced gingerly over the pasture on my way to the
> barn with the monster sized black lab looking like he'd rather be in the
> truck with me than loping along side... i spun the truck around front &
> parked on the cement pad and was given a hearty welcome from the wet muddy
> black galout and played a quick game of chase and rub my chin & scratch me
> behind the ears... i started loading up the truck bed & trailer with the
> iron furniture... dad arrived and set to fiddling with car batteries &
> chargers... the delorean seemed to be in his sights since it had been a
> while since the car was on the road. we pushed the silver wedge out a bit to
> get a proper look at it and then ran a volt meter on the battery 12 V hmm
> click click no luck then i held the meter on the battery when we engaged
> the starter.. it dropped to 4.8 volts, "she's dead jim" so i got to looking
> around the barn and spotted a lawn mower with a big battery and had pops
> drive it over so i could hook up the jumper cables...a short time later the
> delorean is turning over and spitting stale gas hiccups & coughs... a shot
> of ether down the gully and a few more hiccups and the car springs to life
> just like the day we got it 25 + years ago... delorean are not noted for
> their plush suspension nor ground clearance.. so i did not venture out into
> the field with the car and the short battery (i did not wish to be stuck
> with a dead battery) so i hopped on the diesel lawnmower and spun around a
> bit then put it away.. dad had that look in his eye and i reminded him about
> the battery as i drove off in the gmc full of lawn furniture wondering if he
> was going to go for a ride around the block...
> john
> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
> think...>
I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
Dave
On Apr 30, 8:51 am, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
> the cast..
> diesel lawnmower:
> delorean:
> gmc truck:
>
> i drove gmc with landscape trailer in tow to the barn to fetch the patio
> furniture... apparently dad synced his watch with me and was walking to the
> barn at the same time. the truck is a well used vehicle (built a few houses
> with that truck) anyhow i bounced gingerly over the pasture on my way to the
> barn with the monster sized black lab looking like he'd rather be in the
> truck with me than loping along side... i spun the truck around front &
> parked on the cement pad and was given a hearty welcome from the wet muddy
> black galout and played a quick game of chase and rub my chin & scratch me
> behind the ears... i started loading up the truck bed & trailer with the
> iron furniture... dad arrived and set to fiddling with car batteries &
> chargers... the delorean seemed to be in his sights since it had been a
> while since the car was on the road. we pushed the silver wedge out a bit to
> get a proper look at it and then ran a volt meter on the battery 12 V hmm
> click click no luck then i held the meter on the battery when we engaged
> the starter.. it dropped to 4.8 volts, "she's dead jim" so i got to looking
> around the barn and spotted a lawn mower with a big battery and had pops
> drive it over so i could hook up the jumper cables...a short time later the
> delorean is turning over and spitting stale gas hiccups & coughs... a shot
> of ether down the gully and a few more hiccups and the car springs to life
> just like the day we got it 25 + years ago... delorean are not noted for
> their plush suspension nor ground clearance.. so i did not venture out into
> the field with the car and the short battery (i did not wish to be stuck
> with a dead battery) so i hopped on the diesel lawnmower and spun around a
> bit then put it away.. dad had that look in his eye and i reminded him about
> the battery as i drove off in the gmc full of lawn furniture wondering if he
> was going to go for a ride around the block...
> john
> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
> think...>
I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
Dave
Re: non bike ride report
"XR650L_Dave" <
>> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
>> think...>
>
>
> I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>
>
> Dave
did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
john
aka synchronous condenser man
"XR650L_Dave" <
>> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
>> think...>
>
>
> I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>
>
> Dave
did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
john
aka synchronous condenser man
Re: non bike ride report
> did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
That's a power-factor correction method, that the power company likes
guys with heavy inductive loads to use, so the shifted current phase
doesn't beat the hell out of the grid generators. Unfortunately, with
the exception of the occasional refrigerator or furnace blower, a
residential load is primarily resistive. Sounds like a job for
Mythbusters.
Mythbusters, incidentally, jumped the shark (IMHO) when they did the
test for a bunch of birds in a box truck - the myth is that the weight
of the truck would be reduced if the birds are all flying. Not. Duh,
like seriously.
JayC
> did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
That's a power-factor correction method, that the power company likes
guys with heavy inductive loads to use, so the shifted current phase
doesn't beat the hell out of the grid generators. Unfortunately, with
the exception of the occasional refrigerator or furnace blower, a
residential load is primarily resistive. Sounds like a job for
Mythbusters.
Mythbusters, incidentally, jumped the shark (IMHO) when they did the
test for a bunch of birds in a box truck - the myth is that the weight
of the truck would be reduced if the birds are all flying. Not. Duh,
like seriously.
JayC
Re: non bike ride report
On Apr 30, 11:06 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
> > did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> > speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> > them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> > suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> > oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> > must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> > insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
>
> That's a power-factor correction method, that the power company likes
> guys with heavy inductive loads to use, so the shifted current phase
> doesn't beat the hell out of the grid generators. Unfortunately, with
> the exception of the occasional refrigerator or furnace blower, a
> residential load is primarily resistive. Sounds like a job for
> Mythbusters.
>
> Mythbusters, incidentally, jumped the shark (IMHO) when they did the
> test for a bunch of birds in a box truck - the myth is that the weight
> of the truck would be reduced if the birds are all flying. Not. Duh,
> like seriously.
>
> JayC
I think that was a great myth, because to those uninitiated into the
world of physics and conservation of energy, it appears that *of
course* the truck gets lighter.
My success rate is at least 95% in predicting the outcome (I'll claim
100% when its a physics issue), but I still love to watch it because
they seem like they have no clue as to what's going to happen.
Dave
On Apr 30, 11:06 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
> > did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> > speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> > them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> > suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> > oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> > must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> > insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
>
> That's a power-factor correction method, that the power company likes
> guys with heavy inductive loads to use, so the shifted current phase
> doesn't beat the hell out of the grid generators. Unfortunately, with
> the exception of the occasional refrigerator or furnace blower, a
> residential load is primarily resistive. Sounds like a job for
> Mythbusters.
>
> Mythbusters, incidentally, jumped the shark (IMHO) when they did the
> test for a bunch of birds in a box truck - the myth is that the weight
> of the truck would be reduced if the birds are all flying. Not. Duh,
> like seriously.
>
> JayC
I think that was a great myth, because to those uninitiated into the
world of physics and conservation of energy, it appears that *of
course* the truck gets lighter.
My success rate is at least 95% in predicting the outcome (I'll claim
100% when its a physics issue), but I still love to watch it because
they seem like they have no clue as to what's going to happen.
Dave
Re: non bike ride report
> I think that was a great myth, because to those uninitiated into the
> world of physics and conservation of energy, it appears that *of
> course* the truck gets lighter.
Ugh. Maybe, but what do those sods think the birds wings are pushing
on?
> My success rate is at least 95% in predicting the outcome (I'll claim
> 100% when its a physics issue), but I still love to watch it because
> they seem like they have no clue as to what's going to happen.
My only real problem with the show is the bad science. Most of their
experiments don't conclusively prove anything, and most of those times
a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
JayC
> I think that was a great myth, because to those uninitiated into the
> world of physics and conservation of energy, it appears that *of
> course* the truck gets lighter.
Ugh. Maybe, but what do those sods think the birds wings are pushing
on?
> My success rate is at least 95% in predicting the outcome (I'll claim
> 100% when its a physics issue), but I still love to watch it because
> they seem like they have no clue as to what's going to happen.
My only real problem with the show is the bad science. Most of their
experiments don't conclusively prove anything, and most of those times
a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
JayC
Re: non bike ride report
On Apr 30, 3:34 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
> > I think that was a great myth, because to those uninitiated into the
> > world of physics and conservation of energy, it appears that *of
> > course* the truck gets lighter.
>
> Ugh. Maybe, but what do those sods think the birds wings are pushing
> on?
>
> > My success rate is at least 95% in predicting the outcome (I'll claim
> > 100% when its a physics issue), but I still love to watch it because
> > they seem like they have no clue as to what's going to happen.
>
> My only real problem with the show is the bad science. Most of their
> experiments don't conclusively prove anything, and most of those times
> a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
>
> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>
> JayC
To the un-science-initiated, the truck could just as obviously *have*
to get heavier, since everyone 'knows' wings work by forming a 'vacuum
above the wings', then the roof of the truck must of course get sucked
down.
What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
all day and think.
Great, all we need, another chick-on-tv thing going on.
Not even going to mention whats-her-name.
Dave
On Apr 30, 3:34 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
> > I think that was a great myth, because to those uninitiated into the
> > world of physics and conservation of energy, it appears that *of
> > course* the truck gets lighter.
>
> Ugh. Maybe, but what do those sods think the birds wings are pushing
> on?
>
> > My success rate is at least 95% in predicting the outcome (I'll claim
> > 100% when its a physics issue), but I still love to watch it because
> > they seem like they have no clue as to what's going to happen.
>
> My only real problem with the show is the bad science. Most of their
> experiments don't conclusively prove anything, and most of those times
> a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
>
> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>
> JayC
To the un-science-initiated, the truck could just as obviously *have*
to get heavier, since everyone 'knows' wings work by forming a 'vacuum
above the wings', then the roof of the truck must of course get sucked
down.
What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
all day and think.
Great, all we need, another chick-on-tv thing going on.
Not even going to mention whats-her-name.
Dave
Re: non bike ride report
"XR650L_Dave" <
> On Apr 30, 3:34 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
>> a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
>>
>> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>>
>> JayC
>
> To the un-science-initiated, the truck could just as obviously *have*
> to get heavier, since everyone 'knows' wings work by forming a 'vacuum
> above the wings', then the roof of the truck must of course get sucked
> down.
>
> What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
> science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
> and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
> all day and think.
>
> Great, all we need, another chick-on-tv thing going on.
> Not even going to mention whats-her-name.
>
> Dave
this one?
* w w w .ket.org/pressroom/2001/09/JuliaChild_combo_1200.jpg
john
ya old cod fish
"XR650L_Dave" <
> On Apr 30, 3:34 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
>> a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
>>
>> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>>
>> JayC
>
> To the un-science-initiated, the truck could just as obviously *have*
> to get heavier, since everyone 'knows' wings work by forming a 'vacuum
> above the wings', then the roof of the truck must of course get sucked
> down.
>
> What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
> science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
> and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
> all day and think.
>
> Great, all we need, another chick-on-tv thing going on.
> Not even going to mention whats-her-name.
>
> Dave
this one?
* w w w .ket.org/pressroom/2001/09/JuliaChild_combo_1200.jpg
john
ya old cod fish
Re: non bike ride report
On Apr 30, 4:19 pm, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
> "XR650L Dave" <
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 3:34 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
> >> a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
>
> >> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>
> >> JayC
>
> > To the un-science-initiated, the truck could just as obviously *have*
> > to get heavier, since everyone 'knows' wings work by forming a 'vacuum
> > above the wings', then the roof of the truck must of course get sucked
> > down.
>
> > What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
> > science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
> > and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
> > all day and think.
>
> > Great, all we need, another chick-on-tv thing going on.
> > Not even going to mention whats-her-name.
>
> > Dave
>
> this one? * w w w .ket.org/pressroom/2001/09/JuliaChild combo 1200.jpg
> john
> ya old cod fish
No, the one MW stalks.
Dave
On Apr 30, 4:19 pm, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
> "XR650L Dave" <
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 3:34 pm, JayC <j...@sysmatrix . net > wrote:
> >> a much more correct experiment is easily within reach.
>
> >> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>
> >> JayC
>
> > To the un-science-initiated, the truck could just as obviously *have*
> > to get heavier, since everyone 'knows' wings work by forming a 'vacuum
> > above the wings', then the roof of the truck must of course get sucked
> > down.
>
> > What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
> > science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
> > and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
> > all day and think.
>
> > Great, all we need, another chick-on-tv thing going on.
> > Not even going to mention whats-her-name.
>
> > Dave
>
> this one? * w w w .ket.org/pressroom/2001/09/JuliaChild combo 1200.jpg
> john
> ya old cod fish
No, the one MW stalks.
Dave
Re: non bike ride report
> What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
> science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
> and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
> all day and think.
There's a simple beauty to the empirical method.
> What's good about what they do, even when wrong, is that it shows
> science is about doing and finding out, vs. sitting in a box all day
> and thinking. Maybe I'm just biased since I'm expected to sit in a box
> all day and think.
There's a simple beauty to the empirical method.
Re: non bike ride report
> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>
> JayC
That's good enough for me.
Plus I like when they say "well, what'll it take?"
> I watch it mostly because I'm in love with Kari Byron.
>
> JayC
That's good enough for me.
Plus I like when they say "well, what'll it take?"
Re: non bike ride report
On Apr 30, 9:58 am, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
> "XR650L Dave" <
>
> >> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
> >> think...>
>
> > I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>
> > Dave
>
> did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
> john
> aka synchronous condenser man
As JayC says, its for power factor correction, but since home meters
only measure *real* power, even if you had a big I/V phase imbalance
it'd save you no money.
Would be good for the power company, though. Phase imbalances cause
'em grief.
Dave
On Apr 30, 9:58 am, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
> "XR650L Dave" <
>
> >> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
> >> think...>
>
> > I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>
> > Dave
>
> did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
> john
> aka synchronous condenser man
As JayC says, its for power factor correction, but since home meters
only measure *real* power, even if you had a big I/V phase imbalance
it'd save you no money.
Would be good for the power company, though. Phase imbalances cause
'em grief.
Dave
Re: non bike ride report
On Apr 30, 1:38 pm, XR650L Dave <spamTHIS...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:58 am, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "XR650L Dave" <
>
> > >> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
> > >> think...>
>
> > > I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>
> > > Dave
>
> > did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> > speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> > them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> > suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> > oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> > must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> > insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
> > john
> > aka synchronous condenser man
>
> As JayC says, its for power factor correction, but since home meters
> only measure *real* power, even if you had a big I/V phase imbalance
> it'd save you no money.
>
> Would be good for the power company, though. Phase imbalances cause
> 'em grief.
>
> Dave
Interesting, just the other day the head electrician for the company I
work for was talking about buying large capacitors for some *huge*
electric motors we have around, for the sole purpose on saving on the
electricity bill... He tried to explain us IT nerds about resistive/
capacitive/indutive loads, but all this is more complicated than
rocket science to us...
-- Tiago
- electricity knowledge impaired
On Apr 30, 1:38 pm, XR650L Dave <spamTHIS...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:58 am, "john" <n...@this.add> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "XR650L Dave" <
>
> > >> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone, i
> > >> think...>
>
> > > I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>
> > > Dave
>
> > did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
> > speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to put
> > them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
> > suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the home
> > oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the efficiency
> > must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest in
> > insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
> > john
> > aka synchronous condenser man
>
> As JayC says, its for power factor correction, but since home meters
> only measure *real* power, even if you had a big I/V phase imbalance
> it'd save you no money.
>
> Would be good for the power company, though. Phase imbalances cause
> 'em grief.
>
> Dave
Interesting, just the other day the head electrician for the company I
work for was talking about buying large capacitors for some *huge*
electric motors we have around, for the sole purpose on saving on the
electricity bill... He tried to explain us IT nerds about resistive/
capacitive/indutive loads, but all this is more complicated than
rocket science to us...
-- Tiago
- electricity knowledge impaired
Re: non bike ride report
"Tiago Rocha" <
> Interesting, just the other day the head electrician for the company I
> work for was talking about buying large capacitors for some *huge*
> electric motors we have around, for the sole purpose on saving on the
> electricity bill... He tried to explain us IT nerds about resistive/
> capacitive/indutive loads, but all this is more complicated than
> rocket science to us...
>
> -- Tiago
> - electricity knowledge impaired
big electrical motors draw electric in big pulses
electric co prefers little pulses
then the big electric motor feeds back 1/2 out of phase pulses back. some
times giving electric co's fits...
the issue with the big capacitors is if the lines in the shop set up a
resonance frequency... picture a microphone amp speaker feedback squeal
cranked up to 11.. and big capacitors exploding because the electric bounces
back into its face.. so they do a study with an electric meter to check for
natural harmonics while normally operating stuff is turned on.. this is cool
until some one moves a machine or replaces some equipment... ect... so then
they need another study to rig up appropriate filters to kill the feedback
squeal from bouncing into the capacitors... or you could set up a
synchronous condenser type setup that could care less about harmonics and is
basically a big electric motor hooked up to a big generator that is told
when the line load needs a hit of KVAR...
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_condenser
john
Imus ad magum Ozi videndum, magum Ozi mirum mirissimum.
We are going to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Oz.
"Tiago Rocha" <
> Interesting, just the other day the head electrician for the company I
> work for was talking about buying large capacitors for some *huge*
> electric motors we have around, for the sole purpose on saving on the
> electricity bill... He tried to explain us IT nerds about resistive/
> capacitive/indutive loads, but all this is more complicated than
> rocket science to us...
>
> -- Tiago
> - electricity knowledge impaired
big electrical motors draw electric in big pulses
electric co prefers little pulses
then the big electric motor feeds back 1/2 out of phase pulses back. some
times giving electric co's fits...
the issue with the big capacitors is if the lines in the shop set up a
resonance frequency... picture a microphone amp speaker feedback squeal
cranked up to 11.. and big capacitors exploding because the electric bounces
back into its face.. so they do a study with an electric meter to check for
natural harmonics while normally operating stuff is turned on.. this is cool
until some one moves a machine or replaces some equipment... ect... so then
they need another study to rig up appropriate filters to kill the feedback
squeal from bouncing into the capacitors... or you could set up a
synchronous condenser type setup that could care less about harmonics and is
basically a big electric motor hooked up to a big generator that is told
when the line load needs a hit of KVAR...
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_condenser
john
Imus ad magum Ozi videndum, magum Ozi mirum mirissimum.
We are going to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Oz.
Re: non bike ride report
"XR650L_Dave" <
> On Apr 30, 9:58 am, "john" <n
>> "XR650L_Dave" <
>>
>> >> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone,
>> >> i
>> >> think...>
>>
>> > I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>>
>> > Dave
>>
>> did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
>> speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to
>> put
>> them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
>> suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the
>> home
>> oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the
>> efficiency
>> must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest
>> in
>> insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
>> john
>> aka synchronous condenser man
>
>
>
> As JayC says, its for power factor correction, but since home meters
> only measure *real* power, even if you had a big I/V phase imbalance
> it'd save you no money.
>
> Would be good for the power company, though. Phase imbalances cause
> 'em grief.
>
>
> Dave
pop turned up <btw>
the home meters are cheep & thus not PF aware...
in fact I heard some old meters could be pulled, turn upside-down (runs
meter backwards) then flipped back.
the meter at the shop is way PF sensitive... thus the BFEM that I have
running a synchronous condenser saves me ~ $3,000 / mo because of the
odd/imbalanced loads my WWII style equipment draws.
john
wet you finger and hold this...ZOTTttt
"XR650L_Dave" <
> On Apr 30, 9:58 am, "john" <n
>> "XR650L_Dave" <
>>
>> >> so far i've not seen pop's this morning <he did have a cell phone,
>> >> i
>> >> think...>
>>
>> > I have a spare flux capacitor if it needs more than a battery.
>>
>> > Dave
>>
>> did you catch the thread where they told folks to flux off?
>> speaking of capacitors.. the capacitor freaks are telling home owners to
>> put
>> them on their home power to lower the electric bill.. I have always been
>> suspect of harmonics & such being introduced into unknown setup so the
>> home
>> oriented units are bound to be riddled with so filters that the
>> efficiency
>> must be way down that they are hardly worth it...I'd think they'd invest
>> in
>> insulation & drapes before one of those gizmos
>> john
>> aka synchronous condenser man
>
>
>
> As JayC says, its for power factor correction, but since home meters
> only measure *real* power, even if you had a big I/V phase imbalance
> it'd save you no money.
>
> Would be good for the power company, though. Phase imbalances cause
> 'em grief.
>
>
> Dave
pop turned up <btw>
the home meters are cheep & thus not PF aware...
in fact I heard some old meters could be pulled, turn upside-down (runs
meter backwards) then flipped back.
the meter at the shop is way PF sensitive... thus the BFEM that I have
running a synchronous condenser saves me ~ $3,000 / mo because of the
odd/imbalanced loads my WWII style equipment draws.
john
wet you finger and hold this...ZOTTttt
