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AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
Hey all,
I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
(easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
easy out isn't too long!
So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
Thanks
PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
Scott
Hey all,
I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
(easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
easy out isn't too long!
So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
Thanks
PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
Scott
Re: AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
Easy!
Grab a bolt, any bolt that will fit inside the drain plug. Clean the
stuck hollow drain plug with contact cleaner and make sure it's oil
free. Take some 5 minute JB Weld or some other epoxy and fill the drain
plug, insert the bolt, have a beer, come back in 10 minutes and unscrew
the drain plug (probably with your bare fingers)
Then have another beer.
nospam@my,net wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
> was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
> the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
> hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
> I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
> grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
> easy out isn't too long!
>
> So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
> alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>
> Scott
Easy!
Grab a bolt, any bolt that will fit inside the drain plug. Clean the
stuck hollow drain plug with contact cleaner and make sure it's oil
free. Take some 5 minute JB Weld or some other epoxy and fill the drain
plug, insert the bolt, have a beer, come back in 10 minutes and unscrew
the drain plug (probably with your bare fingers)
Then have another beer.
nospam@my,net wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
> was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
> the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
> hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
> I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
> grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
> easy out isn't too long!
>
> So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
> alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>
> Scott
Re: AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
some bolts have reverse threads like wheel hubs & farm equipment...
if you has a good fastener shop nearby you might be able to find a bolt with
reverse threads that will fit in the hole and grab enough to back the drain
plug out... that said I was frustrated with my xr600 skid plate blocking the
drain hole plug so I just picked up the bike and turned it upside down to
change the oil... yes there was a rafter, rope & beer involved.
john
I need a left-hand Whitworth thread stainless bolt with a 5 sided head
"Dave Garner" <vintagedave393@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:482ce83d$0$7056$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
> Easy!
>
> Grab a bolt, any bolt that will fit inside the drain plug. Clean the
> stuck hollow drain plug with contact cleaner and make sure it's oil free.
> Take some 5 minute JB Weld or some other epoxy and fill the drain plug,
> insert the bolt, have a beer, come back in 10 minutes and unscrew the
> drain plug (probably with your bare fingers)
>
> Then have another beer.
>
> nospam@my,net wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
>> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
>> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
>> was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
>> the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
>> hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
>> I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
>> grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
>> easy out isn't too long! So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
>> alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>>
>> Scott
some bolts have reverse threads like wheel hubs & farm equipment...
if you has a good fastener shop nearby you might be able to find a bolt with
reverse threads that will fit in the hole and grab enough to back the drain
plug out... that said I was frustrated with my xr600 skid plate blocking the
drain hole plug so I just picked up the bike and turned it upside down to
change the oil... yes there was a rafter, rope & beer involved.
john
I need a left-hand Whitworth thread stainless bolt with a 5 sided head
"Dave Garner" <vintagedave393@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:482ce83d$0$7056$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
> Easy!
>
> Grab a bolt, any bolt that will fit inside the drain plug. Clean the
> stuck hollow drain plug with contact cleaner and make sure it's oil free.
> Take some 5 minute JB Weld or some other epoxy and fill the drain plug,
> insert the bolt, have a beer, come back in 10 minutes and unscrew the
> drain plug (probably with your bare fingers)
>
> Then have another beer.
>
> nospam@my,net wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
>> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
>> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
>> was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
>> the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
>> hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
>> I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
>> grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
>> easy out isn't too long! So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
>> alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>>
>> Scott
Re: AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
********************************
>On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:38 -0700, nospam@my,net wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
>(easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
>the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
>was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
>the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
>hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
>I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
>grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
>easy out isn't too long!
>
>So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks
>
>PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
>alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>
>Scott
**********************************
Scott,
I feel your pain. If you were close enough to bring it over to me,
I'd get it out for you. I have a selection of easy outs that I've
been accumulating for over 40 years, and have tremendous experience
with broken bolts, plugs, and pipe nipples. (When I hit puberty, I
started breaking a lot of bolts on my bikes, and other mechanical
devices.)
They make the drain plug magnetic by drilling a hole in the plug and
gluing a magnet in the hole.
I would guess that the hole you found was the hole mentioned in my
first sentence. The obstruction you found further inside the hole is
probably your magnet.
Now... after reading Mr. Garner's suggestion concerning J&B Weld,
I would have to try that one. It sounds too good to be true, but
might work, especially since you will have some of the J&B material
inside the hole in the broken plug. I would use the putty version J&B
for this. (formerly marketed as "Quick Aluminum" or "Quick Steel".)
If it doesn't work, I'd use a larger easy-out, which would require
drilling the hole a bit larger, and not too deep. (Or, I'd custom
shorten an easy-out on the bench grinder to enable it to get a bite on
the bolt at a shallower depth.)
Try not to end up with the plug inside the transmission. It may
not be easy to get to on your bike.
*somewhat related side note*
An aluminum magnetic drain plug "body" (minus the plug's head) can
be fished out of the bottom of a GasGas transmission by using
hemostats and working the plug out into the clutch area; pulling it
through one of the "oiling passages" in the left crankcase half.
At least... I know for sure that a certain dentist in Missouri can
do it. He got light on the subject by shining it through the oil
drain hole. The plug was magnetically stuck to a gear immediately
above it's location.
(There is more to the story, but one has to be drinking adult
beverages around a campfire with me to get the rest.)
Good wrenching and riding to you!
Wudsracer/Jim Cook
Smackover Racing
'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
Team LAGNAF
********************************
>On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:38 -0700, nospam@my,net wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
>(easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
>the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
>was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
>the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
>hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
>I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
>grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
>easy out isn't too long!
>
>So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks
>
>PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
>alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>
>Scott
**********************************
Scott,
I feel your pain. If you were close enough to bring it over to me,
I'd get it out for you. I have a selection of easy outs that I've
been accumulating for over 40 years, and have tremendous experience
with broken bolts, plugs, and pipe nipples. (When I hit puberty, I
started breaking a lot of bolts on my bikes, and other mechanical
devices.)
They make the drain plug magnetic by drilling a hole in the plug and
gluing a magnet in the hole.
I would guess that the hole you found was the hole mentioned in my
first sentence. The obstruction you found further inside the hole is
probably your magnet.
Now... after reading Mr. Garner's suggestion concerning J&B Weld,
I would have to try that one. It sounds too good to be true, but
might work, especially since you will have some of the J&B material
inside the hole in the broken plug. I would use the putty version J&B
for this. (formerly marketed as "Quick Aluminum" or "Quick Steel".)
If it doesn't work, I'd use a larger easy-out, which would require
drilling the hole a bit larger, and not too deep. (Or, I'd custom
shorten an easy-out on the bench grinder to enable it to get a bite on
the bolt at a shallower depth.)
Try not to end up with the plug inside the transmission. It may
not be easy to get to on your bike.
*somewhat related side note*
An aluminum magnetic drain plug "body" (minus the plug's head) can
be fished out of the bottom of a GasGas transmission by using
hemostats and working the plug out into the clutch area; pulling it
through one of the "oiling passages" in the left crankcase half.
At least... I know for sure that a certain dentist in Missouri can
do it. He got light on the subject by shining it through the oil
drain hole. The plug was magnetically stuck to a gear immediately
above it's location.
(There is more to the story, but one has to be drinking adult
beverages around a campfire with me to get the rest.)
Good wrenching and riding to you!
Wudsracer/Jim Cook
Smackover Racing
'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
Team LAGNAF
Re: AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
Hi Jim!
On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:51:42 -0500, Wudsracer wrote:
> *somewhat related side note*
> An aluminum magnetic drain plug "body" (minus the plug's head) can
> be fished out of the bottom of a GasGas transmission by using
> hemostats and working the plug out into the clutch area; pulling it
> through one of the "oiling passages" in the left crankcase half.
> At least... I know for sure that a certain dentist in Missouri can
> do it. He got light on the subject by shining it through the oil
> drain hole. The plug was magnetically stuck to a gear immediately
> above it's location.
> (There is more to the story, but one has to be drinking adult
> beverages around a campfire with me to get the rest.)
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! What a bummer! I was just getting
clairaudient and now you're depriving us of that story? C'mon, don't be so
mean! This really is something to be told to a larger audience! :-)
Cheers,
Volker, disappointed
--
@: I N F O at B A R T H E L D dot N E T
3W: www .bartheld,net
Hi Jim!
On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:51:42 -0500, Wudsracer wrote:
> *somewhat related side note*
> An aluminum magnetic drain plug "body" (minus the plug's head) can
> be fished out of the bottom of a GasGas transmission by using
> hemostats and working the plug out into the clutch area; pulling it
> through one of the "oiling passages" in the left crankcase half.
> At least... I know for sure that a certain dentist in Missouri can
> do it. He got light on the subject by shining it through the oil
> drain hole. The plug was magnetically stuck to a gear immediately
> above it's location.
> (There is more to the story, but one has to be drinking adult
> beverages around a campfire with me to get the rest.)
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! What a bummer! I was just getting
clairaudient and now you're depriving us of that story? C'mon, don't be so
mean! This really is something to be told to a larger audience! :-)
Cheers,
Volker, disappointed
--
@: I N F O at B A R T H E L D dot N E T
3W: www .bartheld,net
Re: AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
Hi!
On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:38 -0700, nospam@my,net wrote:
> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
> was apparently hollow.
Your are sure that you didn't push the magnet into you crankcase with you
drilling action? Sometimes, it's sufficient to heat the area a bit and use
a punch/hacksaw blade/fat screwdriver/conical and sharp sheet metal to
drive the remains of the plug out.
If that's a no-go, you'll have to cut the plug until you reach the threads
of the engine case and pray thet you can fumble out the bits with pliers
and stuff.
Good luck!
Volker
--
@: I N F O at B A R T H E L D dot N E T
3W: www .bartheld,net
Hi!
On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:38 -0700, nospam@my,net wrote:
> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
> was apparently hollow.
Your are sure that you didn't push the magnet into you crankcase with you
drilling action? Sometimes, it's sufficient to heat the area a bit and use
a punch/hacksaw blade/fat screwdriver/conical and sharp sheet metal to
drive the remains of the plug out.
If that's a no-go, you'll have to cut the plug until you reach the threads
of the engine case and pray thet you can fumble out the bits with pliers
and stuff.
Good luck!
Volker
--
@: I N F O at B A R T H E L D dot N E T
3W: www .bartheld,net
Re: AARRGGHHHH! Broken oil plug revisited. I can't believe......
On May 15, 9:36 pm, nos...@my,net wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
> was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
> the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
> hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
> I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
> grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
> easy out isn't too long!
>
> So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
> alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>
> Scott
Wish I could find something that'll let me see abpm at work...
Anyway, if you have a hole all the way through it, you could just tap
*that* and use a bolt/copper washer as the new drain plug.
I guess the magnetic drain plug had a hole drilled pretty far into it
for the magnet.
If the plug is steel, mig-welding a nut onto it is still an option. If
you were near me (central NY) I'd give it a shot for you.
Dave
On May 15, 9:36 pm, nos...@my,net wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I just posted about a broken oil plug and received some good advice
> (easy out), unfortunately, after I took off the skid plate to get to
> the remainder of the plug still in the cases, I found that the plug
> was apparently hollow. Yeah, HOLLOW! These was no solid metal to put
> the easy-out into. There was a bit of metal about 1/4 inch in but the
> hole-making part of the easy out drilled right thru that in 2 seconds.
> I hit more metal about 1/2 inch in but I oculdn't get the easy out to
> grab (maybe I need to make the hole a bit deeper)? Problem is that the
> easy out isn't too long!
>
> So, now what?!?! Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> PS... I'm posting a couople-o pics in
> alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
>
> Scott
Wish I could find something that'll let me see abpm at work...
Anyway, if you have a hole all the way through it, you could just tap
*that* and use a bolt/copper washer as the new drain plug.
I guess the magnetic drain plug had a hole drilled pretty far into it
for the magnet.
If the plug is steel, mig-welding a nut onto it is still an option. If
you were near me (central NY) I'd give it a shot for you.
Dave
