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Replacement dual sport bike

Reply from: HellSickle
Date: 27 May 2008, 18:08
Replacement dual sport bike

After picking up the 650L a couple of times recently, I've come to desire a
lighter bike.

What a dearth of acceptable bikes out there. I need someone to build me the
perfect machine.

I want something that is reasonably comfortable for a long day, with
adequate power for the highway. Since the 650L is (optimistically) 350#, I
would want to drop at least 50# to make the switch worthwhile. It also
needs to be durable, requiring little in the way of routine maintenance.
The "happy-fun-button" is pretty much a must.

It looks like a DRZ is one of the only bikes that fits this bill. DRZs can
be found at really good prices. I suppose the Husky TE610 would also work,
but it's still kind of heavy. A WR450 could be fun, but titanium valves
with a short service interval is a problem.

The XR650R looks perfect, except for the lack of E-start. For 13#, and
~$1k, I could add estart. It would also be desirable to have a radiator
fan.

KTM 5xx: probably the closest thing to what I'm after. With modifications,
it could be just what I'm after. I haven't heard too much about engine
durability. Any data? On the down-side, with another KTM in the garage, I
would be forced into buying the orange underwear.

Thoughts? Any leads on a good bike?

-Jeff-




Reply from: john
Date: 27 May 2008, 18:42
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

braze an xr600r motor into an aluminum frame?
john


"HellSickle" <jldnospameeney@comcast.spammer,net > wrote in message
news:g1hbme$vs$1@usenet01.boi.hp,com ...
> After picking up the 650L a couple of times recently, I've come to desire
> a lighter bike.
>
> What a dearth of acceptable bikes out there. I need someone to build me
> the perfect machine.
>
> I want something that is reasonably comfortable for a long day, with
> adequate power for the highway. Since the 650L is (optimistically) 350#,
> I would want to drop at least 50# to make the switch worthwhile. It also
> needs to be durable, requiring little in the way of routine maintenance.
> The "happy-fun-button" is pretty much a must.
>
> It looks like a DRZ is one of the only bikes that fits this bill. DRZs
> can be found at really good prices. I suppose the Husky TE610 would also
> work, but it's still kind of heavy. A WR450 could be fun, but titanium
> valves with a short service interval is a problem.
>
> The XR650R looks perfect, except for the lack of E-start. For 13#, and
> ~$1k, I could add estart. It would also be desirable to have a radiator
> fan.
>
> KTM 5xx: probably the closest thing to what I'm after. With
> modifications, it could be just what I'm after. I haven't heard too much
> about engine durability. Any data? On the down-side, with another KTM in
> the garage, I would be forced into buying the orange underwear.
>
> Thoughts? Any leads on a good bike?
>
> -Jeff-
>
>
>



Reply from: HellSickle
Date: 27 May 2008, 19:35
Re: Replacement dual sport bike


"john" <not@this.add> wrote in message
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> braze an xr600r motor into an aluminum frame?
> john

Capital idea, that!

Perhaps there is an option I hadn't considered. Build my own bike.

Old XR600R can be found in good condition. I would have to install a
steering lock. E-start would be out, unless I popped in an XR650L (but then
I would be back to an XR650L).

For what I could fetch on the market, it probably makes sense to keep the
650L for my commuter. That would ease the requirements for a dual sport
bike, since I wouldn't need one bike to do everything. Perhaps the KLX300
is an option?

-Jeff-



Reply from: Craig
Date: 27 May 2008, 18:54
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

On May 27, 12:08 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
wrote:
> After picking up the 650L a couple of times recently, I've come to desire a
> lighter bike.

Sounds like you're getting old.

> It looks like a DRZ is one of the only bikes that fits this bill.   DRZs can
> be found at really good prices.

In terms of bang for the buck, I think the DRZ has the edge over your
other choices. Should be plenty reliable too. Probably gives up a
little in overall performance to the others, but should be better than
the XRL.

> KTM 5xx:  probably the closest thing to what I'm after.  With modifications,
> it could be just what I'm after.   I haven't heard too much about engine
> durability.  Any data?  On the down-side, with another KTM in the garage, I
> would be forced into buying the orange underwear.

I only have anecdotes and no real data. I have two friends with KTM
dual sports. One a 640 and the other a 525. Both have had bottom end
issues at very low mileage. The 640 guy now rides a DRZ that has been
trouble free.

The 525 is fun to ride, but I can't see doing a lot of highway on it
in stockish form. Did I mention that it's fun?

> Thoughts?  Any leads on a good bike?

XR250R. I did a bunch of dual sporting yesterday and I'm still
pleasantly surprised at how much I like this thing. Highway is out
though, at least with the stock gearing.

Oh, BTW, with minor tweaking your kid bars fit the 250. Used 'em
yesterday.

Craig

Reply from: HellSickle
Date: 27 May 2008, 19:29
Re: Replacement dual sport bike


"Craig" <googlegroupmail@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:921f288b-0144-4d6a-ad3f-553ef2a5db84@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
On May 27, 12:08 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >

> Oh, BTW, with minor tweaking your kid bars fit the 250. Used 'em
> yesterday.

:-)

"Do it for the children".

Many thanks for the 650 carb. I'll fiddle with it this weekend.



Reply from: Craig
Date: 29 May 2008, 17:01
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

On May 27, 1:29 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
wrote:

> Many thanks for the 650 carb.  I'll fiddle with it this weekend.

Happy Birthday!

I've had that carb for a long time (8-10 years maybe) and done nothing
with it. A couple of days after I dropped it in the mail to you
another friend had a need for a good 650L carb. Very odd timing. He
ended up getting his carb sorted out, I think.

Craig


Reply from: HellSickle
Date: 30 May 2008, 08:29
Re: Replacement dual sport bike


"Craig" <googlegroupmail@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:5edfe644-3174-4904-ac23-dabd7dd1667b@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
On May 27, 1:29 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
wrote:

> I've had that carb for a long time (8-10 years maybe) and done nothing
> with it. A couple of days after I dropped it in the mail to you
> another friend had a need for a good 650L carb. Very odd timing. He
> ended up getting his carb sorted out, I think.

Weird.

At the Honda shop on Tuesday, I checked on the XRL needle and needle jet I
ordered a year ago.

"Discontinued"

How weird for Honda to do that. On a model that was mfgr'd less than 10
years ago. No clue as to where you would find these parts.

-Jeff-



Reply from: XR650L_Dave
Date: 30 May 2008, 14:17
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

On May 30, 2:29 am, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
wrote:
> "Craig" <googlegroupm...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:5edfe644-3174-4904-ac23-dabd7dd1667b@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 27, 1:29 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
> wrote:
>
> > I've had that carb for a long time (8-10 years maybe) and done nothing
> > with it. A couple of days after I dropped it in the mail to you
> > another friend had a need for a good 650L carb. Very odd timing. He
> > ended up getting his carb sorted out, I think.
>
> Weird.
>
> At the Honda shop on Tuesday, I checked on the XRL needle and needle jet I
> ordered a year ago.
>
> "Discontinued"
>
> How weird for Honda to do that. On a model that was mfgr'd less than 10
> years ago. No clue as to where you would find these parts.
>
> -Jeff-


But I'll bet you can buy a whole carb- they just don't get down to
that parts level with their supplier.

Well, they're still making XR650Ls (but not XR650Rs, I'll bet no one
saw that coming), so at least I hope you can still buy anything you
need.

Maybe its just 'your' carb- as in, maybe in '09 all XRLs will have the
cali carb (which might be different- not sure).

Dave

Reply from: XR650L_Dave
Date: 27 May 2008, 19:21
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

On May 27, 12:08 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
wrote:
> After picking up the 650L a couple of times recently, I've come to desire a
> lighter bike.
>
> What a dearth of acceptable bikes out there. I need someone to build me the
> perfect machine.
>
> I want something that is reasonably comfortable for a long day, with
> adequate power for the highway. Since the 650L is (optimistically) 350#, I
> would want to drop at least 50# to make the switch worthwhile. It also
> needs to be durable, requiring little in the way of routine maintenance.
> The "happy-fun-button" is pretty much a must.
>
> It looks like a DRZ is one of the only bikes that fits this bill. DRZs can
> be found at really good prices. I suppose the Husky TE610 would also work,
> but it's still kind of heavy. A WR450 could be fun, but titanium valves
> with a short service interval is a problem.
>
> The XR650R looks perfect, except for the lack of E-start. For 13#, and
> ~$1k, I could add estart. It would also be desirable to have a radiator
> fan.
>
> KTM 5xx: probably the closest thing to what I'm after. With modifications,
> it could be just what I'm after. I haven't heard too much about engine
> durability. Any data? On the down-side, with another KTM in the garage, I
> would be forced into buying the orange underwear.
>
> Thoughts? Any leads on a good bike?
>
> -Jeff-



Preference for water or air cooled?

Easy or hard to plate a dirt bike in colorado?

Dave

Reply from: HellSickle
Date: 27 May 2008, 19:30
Re: Replacement dual sport bike


"XR650L_Dave" <spamTHISbrp@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:d2e73fc9-516b-402d-9134-1e705a155126@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups,com ...

> Preference for water or air cooled?

Either/or.

> Easy or hard to plate a dirt bike in colorado?

Very easy to plate anything in CO.

-Jeff-



Reply from: Mike Baxter
Date: 27 May 2008, 20:06
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:08:45 -0600, "HellSickle"
<jldnospameeney@comcast.spammer,net > wrote:

>After picking up the 650L a couple of times recently, I've come to desire a
>lighter bike.
>
>What a dearth of acceptable bikes out there. I need someone to build me the
>perfect machine.
>
>I want something that is reasonably comfortable for a long day, with
>adequate power for the highway. Since the 650L is (optimistically) 350#, I
>would want to drop at least 50# to make the switch worthwhile. It also
>needs to be durable, requiring little in the way of routine maintenance.
>The "happy-fun-button" is pretty much a must.
>
>It looks like a DRZ is one of the only bikes that fits this bill. DRZs can
>be found at really good prices. I suppose the Husky TE610 would also work,
>but it's still kind of heavy. A WR450 could be fun, but titanium valves
>with a short service interval is a problem.
>
>The XR650R looks perfect, except for the lack of E-start. For 13#, and
>~$1k, I could add estart. It would also be desirable to have a radiator
>fan.
>
>KTM 5xx: probably the closest thing to what I'm after. With modifications,
>it could be just what I'm after. I haven't heard too much about engine
>durability. Any data? On the down-side, with another KTM in the garage, I
>would be forced into buying the orange underwear.
>
>Thoughts? Any leads on a good bike?
>
>-Jeff-
>
>

A well set up XR600 would work well. However, KTM and Husky own the
market for DS bikes that fit the bill.

Mike Baxter

Reply from: oldfart
Date: 28 May 2008, 00:53
Re: Replacement dual sport bike


Find a plated Kawasaki 220 kdx. Once you have ridden it off road you
won't want anything else. OF

Reply from: Tim H
Date: 28 May 2008, 06:10
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

"oldfart" <alan.westcoast@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:e4777e40-cd8c-43ca-958c-f311d46a2bd8@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
>
> Find a plated Kawasaki 220 kdx. Once you have ridden it off road you
> won't want anything else. OF

While I personally lean that direction (though I like my street plated
GasGas 300, and don't ride on the street anyway), I think if Jeff was
willing to make that sacrifice in streetability, he'd probably make do with
the street plated ATK 250 or the street plated KTM 300EXC he already has.
Jeff has recently turned 50, and apparently at altitude that makes you
pretty old, so he needs to beat up on unsuspecting (or masochisitic)
"Adventure Bike" riders on bikes with fairings and stuff. To lure them into
his snares, he needs to be able to ride fairly long stretches of roads, ones
like you could drive a car on or something, and his aging buttocks need all
of the support they can get so that when they finally arrive at the real
riding he can still "Jefficate" the poor saps on the behemoth street bikes,
leading them into rougher and narrower trails until they do heinous cosmetic
damage to their staggeringly expensive and well protected adventure bikes,
then he takes lots of pictures and posts them on the internet for everyone
to look at and go "Look at those crazy bastards trail riding BMWs" and
stuff. Jeff apparently has a waiting list of these guys itching to ride with
him. My guess is he's trying to step up his pace, and the lighter bike will
help him recover faster (at his age, you know) so he can Jefficate his next
batch, and finish them all off before time takes it's inevitable toll on his
weary old bones and he is limited to cruising dirt roads on a boxer twin
with a high front fender.
I wonder if I could get a similar gig going out here in the Northwest?
Hm-m-m.
Jeff, have you ever considered franchising?

Tim H
.


Reply from: HellSickle
Date: 28 May 2008, 19:48
Re: Replacement dual sport bike


"Tim H" <Tim H@somethingorother,com > wrote in message
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> "oldfart" <alan.westcoast@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:e4777e40-cd8c-43ca-958c-f311d46a2bd8@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...

> I wonder if I could get a similar gig going out here in the Northwest?
> Hm-m-m.
> Jeff, have you ever considered franchising?

Nail-head-hammer. Spot on Tim. You win a free copy of my 12 step program on
adventure riding.

My 650 is great for these rides, unless I drop it. As long as someone is
there to help me pick it up, all is well.

For what I'm willing to spend, I think keeping the 650L for a commuter, and
getting a 650R or 600R would be the perfect solution. A bike for every
occasion.

2-strokes are definitely out, unless I could find a CR500 with 8 gallon tank
and wide ratio transmission.

KTM 4-stroke maintenance scares me. Cleaning/changing/servicing the 28.6
oil filters in the bike is intimidating.

-Jeff-



Reply from: XR650L_Dave
Date: 28 May 2008, 20:11
Re: Replacement dual sport bike

On May 28, 1:48 pm, "HellSickle" <jldnospamee...@comcast.spammer,net >
wrote:
> "Tim H" <Tim H...@somethingorother,com > wrote in messagenews:vcadnWotRsGVRqHVnZ2dnUVZ szinZ2d@comcast,com ...
>
> > "oldfart" <alan.westco...@gmail,com > wrote in message
> >news:e4777e40-cd8c-43ca-958c-f311d46a2bd8@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
> > I wonder if I could get a similar gig going out here in the Northwest?
> > Hm-m-m.
> > Jeff, have you ever considered franchising?
>
> Nail-head-hammer. Spot on Tim. You win a free copy of my 12 step program on
> adventure riding.
>
> My 650 is great for these rides, unless I drop it. As long as someone is
> there to help me pick it up, all is well.
>
> For what I'm willing to spend, I think keeping the 650L for a commuter, and
> getting a 650R or 600R would be the perfect solution. A bike for every
> occasion.
>
> 2-strokes are definitely out, unless I could find a CR500 with 8 gallon tank
> and wide ratio transmission.
>
> KTM 4-stroke maintenance scares me. Cleaning/changing/servicing the 28.6
> oil filters in the bike is intimidating.
>
> -Jeff-


Yes, because a 650R or a 600R are just *so* much lighter than a 650L.

Not the case, I think, especially if you add a happy-magic button.

BTW, I haven't even seen a 650R in years, but my suspicion is they
aren't as good as an L when the going gets really tight.


Dave


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