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Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Apr 29, 9:17 am, CrashTestDummy <FBRADFORDrem...@tx.rr,com > wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:20:17 -0700 (PDT), "Hustlin' Hank"
>
> <ninebal...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> >By the time you learn to braze, the cost to go buy a MAPP set and
> >rods, you could find a guy locally (think muffler shop) to do it for
> >you if you have it all prepped ( paint removed, cleaned and such).
> >Then take it home and file. grind or whatever to get it flush/even/
> >level. He'll probably do a better job anyway.
>
> >And I thought I was a tight-ass. :-)
>
> >Hank <~~~Can't braze either
>
> Bwhahaha! In this instance it's probably as much about wanting to
> learn something new as saving a dollar. I mean, my brother could
> probably turn the heat down on his mig and just fill the dent with
> weld for me if I wanted him to, but I like being independent. Being
> equipped for, and learning to, braze a small project now may allow me
> to be more independant in the future. I don't plan to do a *bunch* of
> brazing though, so buying a big torch is impractical. A MAPP cylinder
> isn't too radical though.
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREM...@tx.rr,com
Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
high. I love it though. I recently had to replace the whole water and
heating system on our other home and used the mapp gas torch. What a
blessing that was compared to trying to heat with the propane,
especially on the heating pipe. I have never tried brazing, but after
reading this thread I think I am going to pick up some sticks and give
it a try. I am like you, I like to play with stuff, even if I am not
going to go pro;)
On Apr 29, 9:17 am, CrashTestDummy <FBRADFORDrem...@tx.rr,com > wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:20:17 -0700 (PDT), "Hustlin' Hank"
>
> <ninebal...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> >By the time you learn to braze, the cost to go buy a MAPP set and
> >rods, you could find a guy locally (think muffler shop) to do it for
> >you if you have it all prepped ( paint removed, cleaned and such).
> >Then take it home and file. grind or whatever to get it flush/even/
> >level. He'll probably do a better job anyway.
>
> >And I thought I was a tight-ass. :-)
>
> >Hank <~~~Can't braze either
>
> Bwhahaha! In this instance it's probably as much about wanting to
> learn something new as saving a dollar. I mean, my brother could
> probably turn the heat down on his mig and just fill the dent with
> weld for me if I wanted him to, but I like being independent. Being
> equipped for, and learning to, braze a small project now may allow me
> to be more independant in the future. I don't plan to do a *bunch* of
> brazing though, so buying a big torch is impractical. A MAPP cylinder
> isn't too radical though.
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREM...@tx.rr,com
Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
high. I love it though. I recently had to replace the whole water and
heating system on our other home and used the mapp gas torch. What a
blessing that was compared to trying to heat with the propane,
especially on the heating pipe. I have never tried brazing, but after
reading this thread I think I am going to pick up some sticks and give
it a try. I am like you, I like to play with stuff, even if I am not
going to go pro;)
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Apr 29, 11:44 am, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
> Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
> don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
> torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
> high.
fwiw, I've got a mapp torch that has an adjusting knob...
-- Tiago
On Apr 29, 11:44 am, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
> Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
> don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
> torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
> high.
fwiw, I've got a mapp torch that has an adjusting knob...
-- Tiago
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Apr 29, 10:58 am, Tiago Rocha <diariodastril...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 11:44 am, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
>
> > Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
> > don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
> > torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
> > high.
>
> fwiw, I've got a mapp torch that has an adjusting knob...
>
> -- Tiago
Have not seen one. Where did you get it, does it have a brand name I
could look up. As much as I like the mapp torches (I do a good bit of
plumbing for freinds and family;) I would like to have one that
adjusts. I got mine at L*wes home centers and they only had the one
kind. Thanks, Scotty
On Apr 29, 10:58 am, Tiago Rocha <diariodastril...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 11:44 am, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
>
> > Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
> > don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
> > torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
> > high.
>
> fwiw, I've got a mapp torch that has an adjusting knob...
>
> -- Tiago
Have not seen one. Where did you get it, does it have a brand name I
could look up. As much as I like the mapp torches (I do a good bit of
plumbing for freinds and family;) I would like to have one that
adjusts. I got mine at L*wes home centers and they only had the one
kind. Thanks, Scotty
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Apr 29, 12:09 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
> Have not seen one. Where did you get it, does it have a brand name I
> could look up. As much as I like the mapp torches (I do a good bit of
> plumbing for freinds and family;) I would like to have one that
> adjusts. I got mine at L*wes home centers and they only had the one
> kind. Thanks, Scotty
Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess). I got at a referigerator
supply store, people use it to weld/braze/whatever the piping to/from
compressor. I used it a few times to heat engine cases and wheel hubs
to fit bearings. Neat stuff, I think the gas will last me over 10
years... :-)
-- Tiago
On Apr 29, 12:09 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
> Have not seen one. Where did you get it, does it have a brand name I
> could look up. As much as I like the mapp torches (I do a good bit of
> plumbing for freinds and family;) I would like to have one that
> adjusts. I got mine at L*wes home centers and they only had the one
> kind. Thanks, Scotty
Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess). I got at a referigerator
supply store, people use it to weld/braze/whatever the piping to/from
compressor. I used it a few times to heat engine cases and wheel hubs
to fit bearings. Neat stuff, I think the gas will last me over 10
years... :-)
-- Tiago
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Apr 29, 12:47 pm, Tiago Rocha <diariodastril...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 12:09 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
>
> > Have not seen one. Where did you get it, does it have a brand name I
> > could look up. As much as I like the mapp torches (I do a good bit of
> > plumbing for freinds and family;) I would like to have one that
> > adjusts. I got mine at L*wes home centers and they only had the one
> > kind. Thanks, Scotty
>
> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess). I got at a referigerator
> supply store, people use it to weld/braze/whatever the piping to/from
> compressor. I used it a few times to heat engine cases and wheel hubs
> to fit bearings. Neat stuff, I think the gas will last me over 10
> years... :-)
>
> -- Tiago
Bernz-O-Matic...
there it is. The one I have:
http :// www .bernzomatic,com /bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId¾rnzoProd100013
-- Tiago
On Apr 29, 12:47 pm, Tiago Rocha <diariodastril...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 12:09 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail,com wrote:
>
> > Have not seen one. Where did you get it, does it have a brand name I
> > could look up. As much as I like the mapp torches (I do a good bit of
> > plumbing for freinds and family;) I would like to have one that
> > adjusts. I got mine at L*wes home centers and they only had the one
> > kind. Thanks, Scotty
>
> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess). I got at a referigerator
> supply store, people use it to weld/braze/whatever the piping to/from
> compressor. I used it a few times to heat engine cases and wheel hubs
> to fit bearings. Neat stuff, I think the gas will last me over 10
> years... :-)
>
> -- Tiago
Bernz-O-Matic...
there it is. The one I have:
http :// www .bernzomatic,com /bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId¾rnzoProd100013
-- Tiago
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess).
Should be one of these???
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo ignition
> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess).
Should be one of these???
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo ignition
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
dsc-ky wrote:
>> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
>> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess).
>
> Should be one of these???
>
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo ignition
The Bondo or the JB Weld sounds like a good idea. Even after you fill it
up with something, your going to need some filler material to cover the
imperfections, just like body work on a car.
But the use of torches and such is more fun than mixing two compounds.
Good Luck! :-)
dsc-ky wrote:
>> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
>> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess).
>
> Should be one of these???
>
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo ignition
The Bondo or the JB Weld sounds like a good idea. Even after you fill it
up with something, your going to need some filler material to cover the
imperfections, just like body work on a car.
But the use of torches and such is more fun than mixing two compounds.
Good Luck! :-)
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Apr 29, 7:57 pm, Dave <bonanza...@att,net > wrote:
> dsc-ky wrote:
> >> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
> >> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess).
>
> > Should be one of these???
>
> > http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo ignition
>
> The Bondo or the JB Weld sounds like a good idea. Even after you fill it
> up with something, your going to need some filler material to cover the
> imperfections, just like body work on a car.
In the old days they filled dents on cars with lead... and that's all
you need. There was a guy once on American HotRod that showed how it's
done. Done properly with the soilder/lead you shouldn't need any bondo.
On Apr 29, 7:57 pm, Dave <bonanza...@att,net > wrote:
> dsc-ky wrote:
> >> Benz-O-Matic, "made in USA". Has the adjusting knob and it has an
> >> automatic lighter (flint stone, I guess).
>
> > Should be one of these???
>
> > http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo ignition
>
> The Bondo or the JB Weld sounds like a good idea. Even after you fill it
> up with something, your going to need some filler material to cover the
> imperfections, just like body work on a car.
In the old days they filled dents on cars with lead... and that's all
you need. There was a guy once on American HotRod that showed how it's
done. Done properly with the soilder/lead you shouldn't need any bondo.
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
<justwaitafrekinminute@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:a26ed611-79c1-465d-befb-c8a1d98aa1cd@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
>Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
>don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
>torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
>high. I love it though. I recently had to replace the whole water and
>heating system on our other home and used the mapp gas torch. What a
>blessing that was compared to trying to heat with the propane,
>especially on the heating pipe. I have never tried brazing, but after
>reading this thread I think I am going to pick up some sticks and give
>it a try. I am like you, I like to play with stuff, even if I am not
>going to go pro;)
I guess it depends on the brand you buy, but I bought my regular and Mapp
torches at Home Depot and they both came with the same (interchangeable)
torch head.
--
KW
aka KW, DirtBikeDad, warrenmountain
'03 Kawasaki KDX220R
'01 Honda XR100R
'03 Yamaha TTR125L
'90 Kawasaki Bayou220
'01 Kubota B1700
'03 Husqvarna ZTH5221
<justwaitafrekinminute@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:a26ed611-79c1-465d-befb-c8a1d98aa1cd@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
>Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
>don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
>torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
>high. I love it though. I recently had to replace the whole water and
>heating system on our other home and used the mapp gas torch. What a
>blessing that was compared to trying to heat with the propane,
>especially on the heating pipe. I have never tried brazing, but after
>reading this thread I think I am going to pick up some sticks and give
>it a try. I am like you, I like to play with stuff, even if I am not
>going to go pro;)
I guess it depends on the brand you buy, but I bought my regular and Mapp
torches at Home Depot and they both came with the same (interchangeable)
torch head.
--
KW
aka KW, DirtBikeDad, warrenmountain
'03 Kawasaki KDX220R
'01 Honda XR100R
'03 Yamaha TTR125L
'90 Kawasaki Bayou220
'01 Kubota B1700
'03 Husqvarna ZTH5221
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:50:40 -0400, "KW"
<keith_warrennospam@alltel,net > wrote:
>
><justwaitafrekinminute@gmail,com > wrote in message
>news:a26ed611-79c1-465d-befb-c8a1d98aa1cd@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>>Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
>>don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
>>torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
>>high. I love it though. I recently had to replace the whole water and
>>heating system on our other home and used the mapp gas torch. What a
>>blessing that was compared to trying to heat with the propane,
>>especially on the heating pipe. I have never tried brazing, but after
>>reading this thread I think I am going to pick up some sticks and give
>>it a try. I am like you, I like to play with stuff, even if I am not
>>going to go pro;)
>
>I guess it depends on the brand you buy, but I bought my regular and Mapp
>torches at Home Depot and they both came with the same (interchangeable)
>torch head.
Thanks Keith. I bought my propane unit at Home Depot too, so I
might be in business. I'll stop by HD one of these days and check out
the current offerings to see if the MAPP unit has the same sort of
head as mine. It'd be nice to have that option on hand.
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:50:40 -0400, "KW"
<keith_warrennospam@alltel,net > wrote:
>
><justwaitafrekinminute@gmail,com > wrote in message
>news:a26ed611-79c1-465d-befb-c8a1d98aa1cd@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>>Someone asked if you can use mapp gas with regular propane torches, I
>>don't think so, someone may correct me. One difference in my mapp
>>torch is no adjustment. It lights, and is either on or off, no low med
>>high. I love it though. I recently had to replace the whole water and
>>heating system on our other home and used the mapp gas torch. What a
>>blessing that was compared to trying to heat with the propane,
>>especially on the heating pipe. I have never tried brazing, but after
>>reading this thread I think I am going to pick up some sticks and give
>>it a try. I am like you, I like to play with stuff, even if I am not
>>going to go pro;)
>
>I guess it depends on the brand you buy, but I bought my regular and Mapp
>torches at Home Depot and they both came with the same (interchangeable)
>torch head.
Thanks Keith. I bought my propane unit at Home Depot too, so I
might be in business. I'll stop by HD one of these days and check out
the current offerings to see if the MAPP unit has the same sort of
head as mine. It'd be nice to have that option on hand.
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
CrashTestDummy wrote:
> So I've read that the best way to fill a small dent in my son's
> bicycle frame is to braze in brass. Now, I've never done this before
> but I'm also advised to use low heat to avoid weakening the structural
> integrity of the frame's tubing.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) can I use my propane (v) torch to do this?
> ( http :// www .bernzomatic,com /bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId¾rnzoProd100026)
>
> 2) what sort of brass should I look for and where?
>
> 3) is this beyond novice skill level?
>
> 4) anything else to know?
>
> I've also heard that I could use lead, and I'm pretty sure I could
> melt some fishing sinkers into the dent using my propane torch, but
> brass is supposed to be better (should we ever want to have the frame
> powder coated or chrome plated). So I'd like to use brass, but if it's
> too difficult I'll probably just go with lead since our intention now
> is just to prime and repaint.
>
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
What about some of that shet they sell on tv that plugs
holes in everything, just a little pinch, and sand over it
the repair would then be waterproof!
CrashTestDummy wrote:
> So I've read that the best way to fill a small dent in my son's
> bicycle frame is to braze in brass. Now, I've never done this before
> but I'm also advised to use low heat to avoid weakening the structural
> integrity of the frame's tubing.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) can I use my propane (v) torch to do this?
> ( http :// www .bernzomatic,com /bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId¾rnzoProd100026)
>
> 2) what sort of brass should I look for and where?
>
> 3) is this beyond novice skill level?
>
> 4) anything else to know?
>
> I've also heard that I could use lead, and I'm pretty sure I could
> melt some fishing sinkers into the dent using my propane torch, but
> brass is supposed to be better (should we ever want to have the frame
> powder coated or chrome plated). So I'd like to use brass, but if it's
> too difficult I'll probably just go with lead since our intention now
> is just to prime and repaint.
>
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
What about some of that shet they sell on tv that plugs
holes in everything, just a little pinch, and sand over it
the repair would then be waterproof!
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
I couldn't resist !!! Comedy from 2005 !!!
Jeff
Arizona / Colorado ....
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "RADRick" <radrick1NOS...@earthlink,net >
Date: Jan 31 2005, 8:18 pm
Subject: Frame welding?
To: rec.motorcycles.dirt
"Jeff Deeney" <jeff.dee...@removespam4good.hp,com > wrote in message
> Oxy-acetylene, MIG, TIG, or stick (arc). It's a mild steel frame,
> so no exotic processes required. Use what you have available.
No offense, Jeff, but oxy-acetylene is considered brazing, not
welding, and
is definitely not strong enough for fixing a motorcycle frame. It's
fine for
fixing tanks and fenders or cutting steel, but not for structural
repairs.
The other three methods are far more suitable for welding a frame,
IMO.
RADRickwww .mcjournalist,com
On Apr 28, 5:08 pm, CrashTestDummy <FBRADFORDrem...@tx.rr,com > wrote:
> So I've read that the best way to fill a small dent in my son's
> bicycle frame is to braze in brass. Now, I've never done this before
> but I'm also advised to use low heat to avoid weakening the structural
> integrity of the frame's tubing.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) can I use my propane (v) torch to do this?
> ( http :// www .bernzomatic,com /bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?pr...)
>
> 2) what sort of brass should I look for and where?
>
> 3) is this beyond novice skill level?
>
> 4) anything else to know?
>
> I've also heard that I could use lead, and I'm pretty sure I could
> melt some fishing sinkers into the dent using my propane torch, but
> brass is supposed to be better (should we ever want to have the frame
> powder coated or chrome plated). So I'd like to use brass, but if it's
> too difficult I'll probably just go with lead since our intention now
> is just to prime and repaint.
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREM...@tx.rr,com
I couldn't resist !!! Comedy from 2005 !!!
Jeff
Arizona / Colorado ....
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "RADRick" <radrick1NOS...@earthlink,net >
Date: Jan 31 2005, 8:18 pm
Subject: Frame welding?
To: rec.motorcycles.dirt
"Jeff Deeney" <jeff.dee...@removespam4good.hp,com > wrote in message
> Oxy-acetylene, MIG, TIG, or stick (arc). It's a mild steel frame,
> so no exotic processes required. Use what you have available.
No offense, Jeff, but oxy-acetylene is considered brazing, not
welding, and
is definitely not strong enough for fixing a motorcycle frame. It's
fine for
fixing tanks and fenders or cutting steel, but not for structural
repairs.
The other three methods are far more suitable for welding a frame,
IMO.
RADRickwww .mcjournalist,com
On Apr 28, 5:08 pm, CrashTestDummy <FBRADFORDrem...@tx.rr,com > wrote:
> So I've read that the best way to fill a small dent in my son's
> bicycle frame is to braze in brass. Now, I've never done this before
> but I'm also advised to use low heat to avoid weakening the structural
> integrity of the frame's tubing.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) can I use my propane (v) torch to do this?
> ( http :// www .bernzomatic,com /bernzomatic/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?pr...)
>
> 2) what sort of brass should I look for and where?
>
> 3) is this beyond novice skill level?
>
> 4) anything else to know?
>
> I've also heard that I could use lead, and I'm pretty sure I could
> melt some fishing sinkers into the dent using my propane torch, but
> brass is supposed to be better (should we ever want to have the frame
> powder coated or chrome plated). So I'd like to use brass, but if it's
> too difficult I'll probably just go with lead since our intention now
> is just to prime and repaint.
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREM...@tx.rr,com
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On May 1, 9:05 pm, Outlaw F...@hotmail,com wrote:
> I couldn't resist !!! Comedy from 2005 !!!
>
> Jeff
> Arizona / Colorado ....
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "RADRick" <radrick1NOS...@earthlink,net >
> Date: Jan 31 2005, 8:18 pm
> Subject: Frame welding?
> To: rec.motorcycles.dirt
>
> "Jeff Deeney" <jeff.dee...@removespam4good.hp,com > wrote in message
> > Oxy-acetylene, MIG, TIG, or stick (arc). It's a mild steel frame,
> > so no exotic processes required. Use what you have available.
>
> No offense, Jeff, but oxy-acetylene is considered brazing, not
> welding, and
> is definitely not strong enough for fixing a motorcycle frame.
I'd like to challenge the first part of that statement based on
this...
Definition of brazing
1 : to join two metals together through the use of a third metal or
alloy at or above 427 degrees C (800 degrees F). The braze material
alloys with each of the two metals that do not alloy with each other.
Leads and seal rings may be brazed to designated nickel plated,
refractory metallization areas of the package. [SEMATECH] Contrast
solder. 2 n : a material used for brazing, usually a silver/copper
(72/28) alloy with a melting point of 779 degrees C. [SEMATECH]
If all 3 metals are the same, it's probably not brazing???
I suspect the second part may be false or only 1/2 true as well, but I
don't know enough to prove it???
On May 1, 9:05 pm, Outlaw F...@hotmail,com wrote:
> I couldn't resist !!! Comedy from 2005 !!!
>
> Jeff
> Arizona / Colorado ....
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "RADRick" <radrick1NOS...@earthlink,net >
> Date: Jan 31 2005, 8:18 pm
> Subject: Frame welding?
> To: rec.motorcycles.dirt
>
> "Jeff Deeney" <jeff.dee...@removespam4good.hp,com > wrote in message
> > Oxy-acetylene, MIG, TIG, or stick (arc). It's a mild steel frame,
> > so no exotic processes required. Use what you have available.
>
> No offense, Jeff, but oxy-acetylene is considered brazing, not
> welding, and
> is definitely not strong enough for fixing a motorcycle frame.
I'd like to challenge the first part of that statement based on
this...
Definition of brazing
1 : to join two metals together through the use of a third metal or
alloy at or above 427 degrees C (800 degrees F). The braze material
alloys with each of the two metals that do not alloy with each other.
Leads and seal rings may be brazed to designated nickel plated,
refractory metallization areas of the package. [SEMATECH] Contrast
solder. 2 n : a material used for brazing, usually a silver/copper
(72/28) alloy with a melting point of 779 degrees C. [SEMATECH]
If all 3 metals are the same, it's probably not brazing???
I suspect the second part may be false or only 1/2 true as well, but I
don't know enough to prove it???
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
On May 2, 8:51 am, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...@eku.edu> wrote:
> On May 1, 9:05 pm, Outlaw F...@hotmail,com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I couldn't resist !!! Comedy from 2005 !!!
>
> > Jeff
> > Arizona / Colorado ....
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "RADRick" <radrick1NOS...@earthlink,net >
> > Date: Jan 31 2005, 8:18 pm
> > Subject: Frame welding?
> > To: rec.motorcycles.dirt
>
> > "Jeff Deeney" <jeff.dee...@removespam4good.hp,com > wrote in message
> > > Oxy-acetylene, MIG, TIG, or stick (arc). It's a mild steel frame,
> > > so no exotic processes required. Use what you have available.
>
> > No offense, Jeff, but oxy-acetylene is considered brazing, not
> > welding, and
> > is definitely not strong enough for fixing a motorcycle frame.
>
> I'd like to challenge the first part of that statement based on
> this...
>
> Definition of brazing
> 1 : to join two metals together through the use of a third metal or
> alloy at or above 427 degrees C (800 degrees F). The braze material
> alloys with each of the two metals that do not alloy with each other.
> Leads and seal rings may be brazed to designated nickel plated,
> refractory metallization areas of the package. [SEMATECH] Contrast
> solder. 2 n : a material used for brazing, usually a silver/copper
> (72/28) alloy with a melting point of 779 degrees C. [SEMATECH]
>
> If all 3 metals are the same, it's probably not brazing???
>
> I suspect the second part may be false or only 1/2 true as well, but I
> don't know enough to prove it???
Not to revive this old but way kewl debate-
If all 3 metals have the 'same' melting temperature, it'll be welding.
All 3 metals could be brass, but if the 2 base metals were a higher-
melting-point alloy than the filler brass, it would still be brazing
as long as the base metals didn't melt.
Dave
On May 2, 8:51 am, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...@eku.edu> wrote:
> On May 1, 9:05 pm, Outlaw F...@hotmail,com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I couldn't resist !!! Comedy from 2005 !!!
>
> > Jeff
> > Arizona / Colorado ....
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "RADRick" <radrick1NOS...@earthlink,net >
> > Date: Jan 31 2005, 8:18 pm
> > Subject: Frame welding?
> > To: rec.motorcycles.dirt
>
> > "Jeff Deeney" <jeff.dee...@removespam4good.hp,com > wrote in message
> > > Oxy-acetylene, MIG, TIG, or stick (arc). It's a mild steel frame,
> > > so no exotic processes required. Use what you have available.
>
> > No offense, Jeff, but oxy-acetylene is considered brazing, not
> > welding, and
> > is definitely not strong enough for fixing a motorcycle frame.
>
> I'd like to challenge the first part of that statement based on
> this...
>
> Definition of brazing
> 1 : to join two metals together through the use of a third metal or
> alloy at or above 427 degrees C (800 degrees F). The braze material
> alloys with each of the two metals that do not alloy with each other.
> Leads and seal rings may be brazed to designated nickel plated,
> refractory metallization areas of the package. [SEMATECH] Contrast
> solder. 2 n : a material used for brazing, usually a silver/copper
> (72/28) alloy with a melting point of 779 degrees C. [SEMATECH]
>
> If all 3 metals are the same, it's probably not brazing???
>
> I suspect the second part may be false or only 1/2 true as well, but I
> don't know enough to prove it???
Not to revive this old but way kewl debate-
If all 3 metals have the 'same' melting temperature, it'll be welding.
All 3 metals could be brass, but if the 2 base metals were a higher-
melting-point alloy than the filler brass, it would still be brazing
as long as the base metals didn't melt.
Dave
Re: Brazing questions (don't laugh)
(From Wikipedea - FYI)
Soldering is distinguished from brazing by use of a lower melting-
temperature filler metal; it is distinguished from welding by the base
metals not being melted during the joining process.
So, brazing and soldering are the same, brazing is just hotter.
Eeeeenteresting...but stupid.
JayC
(From Wikipedea - FYI)
Soldering is distinguished from brazing by use of a lower melting-
temperature filler metal; it is distinguished from welding by the base
metals not being melted during the joining process.
So, brazing and soldering are the same, brazing is just hotter.
Eeeeenteresting...but stupid.
JayC
