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Re: more lazy-er
Mike Baxter wrote:
> I don't trust the oil-pit monkeys with my vehicles. I have spoke with
> too many people that have had problems with simple oil changes. It's
> a 20-30 minute job. I just put my old oil in a 1 gallon milk
> container and they pick it up with my recyclables every Tuesday. If I
> want to get rid of it quicker, I head to the auto parts store and dump
> it there. Plus, I want to see the oil coming out. I run synthetic
> oil and replace it every 7.5K or twice a year. It comes out of the
> Titan looking nearly as good as when I put it in. My Acura RSX-s
> looks almost as good coming out.
Thats bad, unless the oil was black when you put it in.
No matter how good of condition your engine is there will be blowby
carrying soot. If your oil's detergent properties are weak or nil this
soot will not be trapped by the oil or oil filter but deposited on the
cooler surfaces inside your engine. This was a characteristic of the
"Amsoil Lifetime Oil Change". Oil always looked pretty but engines were
full of junk. The theory said a no-detergent oil using an exceptionally
good oil filter could run the oil forever, only changing the filter. But
even an exceptionally good filter was not good enough to catch the soot
before it plated the engine.
A good motor oil whether synthetic or refined will turn dark within the
first 500 miles. So long as the soot particles stay small they are
harmless suspended in the oil. When suspended in the oil soot is removed
when the oil is drained. An oil filter will not remove this soot unless
particles cake together and make a bigger particles.
Mike Baxter wrote:
> I don't trust the oil-pit monkeys with my vehicles. I have spoke with
> too many people that have had problems with simple oil changes. It's
> a 20-30 minute job. I just put my old oil in a 1 gallon milk
> container and they pick it up with my recyclables every Tuesday. If I
> want to get rid of it quicker, I head to the auto parts store and dump
> it there. Plus, I want to see the oil coming out. I run synthetic
> oil and replace it every 7.5K or twice a year. It comes out of the
> Titan looking nearly as good as when I put it in. My Acura RSX-s
> looks almost as good coming out.
Thats bad, unless the oil was black when you put it in.
No matter how good of condition your engine is there will be blowby
carrying soot. If your oil's detergent properties are weak or nil this
soot will not be trapped by the oil or oil filter but deposited on the
cooler surfaces inside your engine. This was a characteristic of the
"Amsoil Lifetime Oil Change". Oil always looked pretty but engines were
full of junk. The theory said a no-detergent oil using an exceptionally
good oil filter could run the oil forever, only changing the filter. But
even an exceptionally good filter was not good enough to catch the soot
before it plated the engine.
A good motor oil whether synthetic or refined will turn dark within the
first 500 miles. So long as the soot particles stay small they are
harmless suspended in the oil. When suspended in the oil soot is removed
when the oil is drained. An oil filter will not remove this soot unless
particles cake together and make a bigger particles.
Re: more lazy-er
On Fri, 02 May 2008 12:18:02 -0500, David Kelly <n4hhe@Yahoo,com >
wrote:
>
>Thats bad, unless the oil was black when you put it in.
>
It is definitely darker than when I put it in, but nowhere near black.
The truck has less than 20K miles while the car has over 70K miles.
I'll live with it as I haven't nuked a car or truck engine since I was
16 and threw a rod on my POS '79 Trans Am. I am far from easy on my
vehicles, so I must be doing something right. I would probably still
be driving my 1994 Chevy S-10 if the insurance company didn't total it
for about 3 times it's worth.
Mike Baxter
On Fri, 02 May 2008 12:18:02 -0500, David Kelly <n4hhe@Yahoo,com >
wrote:
>
>Thats bad, unless the oil was black when you put it in.
>
It is definitely darker than when I put it in, but nowhere near black.
The truck has less than 20K miles while the car has over 70K miles.
I'll live with it as I haven't nuked a car or truck engine since I was
16 and threw a rod on my POS '79 Trans Am. I am far from easy on my
vehicles, so I must be doing something right. I would probably still
be driving my 1994 Chevy S-10 if the insurance company didn't total it
for about 3 times it's worth.
Mike Baxter
Re: more lazy-er
> Thats bad, unless the oil was black when you put it in.
>
> No matter how good of condition your engine is there will be blowby
> carrying soot.
If you really want to see BLACK - you should see the color of the oil
I drain out of my tractor. Even after only 50 hours, it's so black
that it looks like you can almost reach into it - like space. It's
weird.
JayC
> Thats bad, unless the oil was black when you put it in.
>
> No matter how good of condition your engine is there will be blowby
> carrying soot.
If you really want to see BLACK - you should see the color of the oil
I drain out of my tractor. Even after only 50 hours, it's so black
that it looks like you can almost reach into it - like space. It's
weird.
JayC
Re: more lazy-er
On Fri, 2 May 2008 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), JayC <jwc@sysmatrix,net >
wrote:
>I think I can dump waste oil right into my furnace tank, provided I
>run it through a coffee filter first. I might just start doing that.
>
>JayC
I thought you were just supposed to dump old oil in the driveway to
keep the dust down?
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
On Fri, 2 May 2008 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), JayC <jwc@sysmatrix,net >
wrote:
>I think I can dump waste oil right into my furnace tank, provided I
>run it through a coffee filter first. I might just start doing that.
>
>JayC
I thought you were just supposed to dump old oil in the driveway to
keep the dust down?
Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
Re: more lazy-er
up north we worry about rust not dust so we spray the bottoms of the cars
(or so I've heard)
john
Outside of the killings, [Washington] has one of the lowest crime rates
in the country - Mayer Marion Barry, Washington DC
"CrashTestDummy" <FBRADFORDremove@tx.rr,com > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 2 May 2008 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), JayC <jwc@sysmatrix,net >
> wrote:
>
>
> >I think I can dump waste oil right into my furnace tank, provided I
> >run it through a coffee filter first. I might just start doing that.
> >
> >JayC
>
>
> I thought you were just supposed to dump old oil in the driveway to
> keep the dust down?
>
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
up north we worry about rust not dust so we spray the bottoms of the cars
(or so I've heard)
john
Outside of the killings, [Washington] has one of the lowest crime rates
in the country - Mayer Marion Barry, Washington DC
"CrashTestDummy" <FBRADFORDremove@tx.rr,com > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 2 May 2008 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), JayC <jwc@sysmatrix,net >
> wrote:
>
>
> >I think I can dump waste oil right into my furnace tank, provided I
> >run it through a coffee filter first. I might just start doing that.
> >
> >JayC
>
>
> I thought you were just supposed to dump old oil in the driveway to
> keep the dust down?
>
>
> Fred Bradford - CrashTestDummy
> fjbradfordREMOVE@tx.rr,com
Re: more lazy-er
On Sat, 03 May 2008 01:49:57 GMT, "john"
<johnrSNIPmd@gmailTUCK.con> wrote:
> Outside of the killings, [Washington] has one of the lowest crime rates
>in the country - Mayer Marion Barry, Washington DC
Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
----
Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
----
On Sat, 03 May 2008 01:49:57 GMT, "john"
<johnrSNIPmd@gmailTUCK.con> wrote:
> Outside of the killings, [Washington] has one of the lowest crime rates
>in the country - Mayer Marion Barry, Washington DC
Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
----
Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
----
Re: more lazy-er
hey watch it, I have "relatives" in the cement biz in that town..
john
take only pictures leave only bullet holes
"scrape" <scrapeNOTHANKS@nc.rr,com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 03 May 2008 01:49:57 GMT, "john"
> <johnrSNIPmd@gmailTUCK.con> wrote:
>
>
> > Outside of the killings, [Washington] has one of the lowest crime
rates
> >in the country - Mayer Marion Barry, Washington DC
>
> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
>
>
> ----
> Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
> ----
hey watch it, I have "relatives" in the cement biz in that town..
john
take only pictures leave only bullet holes
"scrape" <scrapeNOTHANKS@nc.rr,com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 03 May 2008 01:49:57 GMT, "john"
> <johnrSNIPmd@gmailTUCK.con> wrote:
>
>
> > Outside of the killings, [Washington] has one of the lowest crime
rates
> >in the country - Mayer Marion Barry, Washington DC
>
> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
>
>
> ----
> Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
> ----
Re: more lazy-er
On Sat, 03 May 2008 14:53:06 GMT, "john"
<johnrSNIPmd@gmailTUCK.con> wrote:
>hey watch it, I have "relatives" in the cement biz in that town..
>john
> take only pictures leave only bullet holes
Uhhhh, so do I. Different biz though. And Canfield too.
>> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
----
Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
----
On Sat, 03 May 2008 14:53:06 GMT, "john"
<johnrSNIPmd@gmailTUCK.con> wrote:
>hey watch it, I have "relatives" in the cement biz in that town..
>john
> take only pictures leave only bullet holes
Uhhhh, so do I. Different biz though. And Canfield too.
>> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
----
Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
----
Re: more lazy-er
scrape asks:
> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
Youngstown is doing something sorta neat right now. All those
foreclosed homes are getting bought by the local gov't and made
into open areas. If only I could figure out how to hook them up
for rides.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
scrape asks:
> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
Youngstown is doing something sorta neat right now. All those
foreclosed homes are getting bought by the local gov't and made
into open areas. If only I could figure out how to hook them up
for rides.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
Re: more lazy-er
On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT), sturd
<mikesturdevant127@hotmail,com > wrote:
>scrape asks:
>
>> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
>
>Youngstown is doing something sorta neat right now. All those
>foreclosed homes are getting bought by the local gov't and made
>into open areas. If only I could figure out how to hook them up
>for rides.
I miss Idora Park. Spent a bunch of nights there in my youth.
----
Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
----
On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT), sturd
<mikesturdevant127@hotmail,com > wrote:
>scrape asks:
>
>> Didn't Youngstown steal the "murder capital" honor a few times?
>
>Youngstown is doing something sorta neat right now. All those
>foreclosed homes are getting bought by the local gov't and made
>into open areas. If only I could figure out how to hook them up
>for rides.
I miss Idora Park. Spent a bunch of nights there in my youth.
----
Go fast and aim for where the trees aren't.
----
Re: more lazy-er
john notes:
> up north we worry about rust not dust so we spray the bottoms of the cars
> (or so I've heard)
http :// www .mytoolstore,com /astro/astpai08.html
3rd tool down.
This and some old oil, add a bit of kerosene and cosmoline from F&L
products, and your 1975 Chevy pickumup will last at least 7 years
in the salt.
New cars/trucks don't seem to need it though I noticed my '05
Ford Ranger is showing rust on the frame. Time to break out
the "undercoat gun" next fall. A really filthy job. Guaranteed to
require 4 shampooings to get it all out of your hair.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
john notes:
> up north we worry about rust not dust so we spray the bottoms of the cars
> (or so I've heard)
http :// www .mytoolstore,com /astro/astpai08.html
3rd tool down.
This and some old oil, add a bit of kerosene and cosmoline from F&L
products, and your 1975 Chevy pickumup will last at least 7 years
in the salt.
New cars/trucks don't seem to need it though I noticed my '05
Ford Ranger is showing rust on the frame. Time to break out
the "undercoat gun" next fall. A really filthy job. Guaranteed to
require 4 shampooings to get it all out of your hair.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
Re: more lazy-er
looks like my sandblaster gizmo
wonder if it would work??
john
Every time I sit, I topple over sideways
But then, maybe I'm just going about it half-assed.
"sturd" <mikesturdevant127@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> john notes:
>
>> up north we worry about rust not dust so we spray the bottoms of the cars
>> (or so I've heard)
>
> http :// www .mytoolstore,com /astro/astpai08.html
>
> 3rd tool down.
>
> This and some old oil, add a bit of kerosene and cosmoline from F&L
> products, and your 1975 Chevy pickumup will last at least 7 years
> in the salt.
>
> New cars/trucks don't seem to need it though I noticed my '05
> Ford Ranger is showing rust on the frame. Time to break out
> the "undercoat gun" next fall. A really filthy job. Guaranteed to
> require 4 shampooings to get it all out of your hair.
>
>
> Go fast. Take chances.
> Mike S.
looks like my sandblaster gizmo
wonder if it would work??
john
Every time I sit, I topple over sideways
But then, maybe I'm just going about it half-assed.
"sturd" <mikesturdevant127@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:f580fd5b-3907-4fef-b500-96893a0ea7c4@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups,com ...
> john notes:
>
>> up north we worry about rust not dust so we spray the bottoms of the cars
>> (or so I've heard)
>
> http :// www .mytoolstore,com /astro/astpai08.html
>
> 3rd tool down.
>
> This and some old oil, add a bit of kerosene and cosmoline from F&L
> products, and your 1975 Chevy pickumup will last at least 7 years
> in the salt.
>
> New cars/trucks don't seem to need it though I noticed my '05
> Ford Ranger is showing rust on the frame. Time to break out
> the "undercoat gun" next fall. A really filthy job. Guaranteed to
> require 4 shampooings to get it all out of your hair.
>
>
> Go fast. Take chances.
> Mike S.
Re: more lazy-er
john asks:
> looks like my sandblaster gizmo
> wonder if it would work??
For a few minutes. Then the aluminum nozzle will be worn
through at some funny angle and spewing sand at your face.
Sandblasters, even the cheapo venturi ones, have a ceramic
nozzle.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
john asks:
> looks like my sandblaster gizmo
> wonder if it would work??
For a few minutes. Then the aluminum nozzle will be worn
through at some funny angle and spewing sand at your face.
Sandblasters, even the cheapo venturi ones, have a ceramic
nozzle.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
Re: more lazy-er
On May 2, 11:11 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix,net > wrote:
> > I don't change my vehicle oil mostly because I'd still have to haul
> > the oil to the station anyway. Might as well let them change it and
> > keep the waste.
>
> That's always been my theory - worth the extra $15 not to have to deal
> with the mess.
For me, the price difference is so little that I let the nice guy at
the gas station change my oil. He dusts off the air cleaner with
compressed air - for free - and always checks coolant level and
windshield water too. Changing car oil at home is a mess, the oil
filter is hard to remove and I hate crawling under a car. At the
station, he has a nice elevator. Also, the guy takes only 20 minutes
and I am there watching all the procedings. For the bike, I change at
home, because my bike is not plated, registered, insured, etc. When I
have to go to the station to change car's oil, I take all the used
bike oil and dump in theirs used oil tank. Since I use the same oil
for car/bike, folks at gas station gladly accept it. I suspect it must
worth a few nickels to them. Btw, I collect the bike oil in a plastic
container I found on the kitchen section of a large department store
and afterwards I put the used oil in the same bottles the new oil
came...
I'd love to have a recycling facility come pick my old stuff, but
instead, I have to walk to the end of the street just to dump the
garbage. Love the town I live but hate the (lack of) infrastructure.
-- Tiago
On May 2, 11:11 am, JayC <j...@sysmatrix,net > wrote:
> > I don't change my vehicle oil mostly because I'd still have to haul
> > the oil to the station anyway. Might as well let them change it and
> > keep the waste.
>
> That's always been my theory - worth the extra $15 not to have to deal
> with the mess.
For me, the price difference is so little that I let the nice guy at
the gas station change my oil. He dusts off the air cleaner with
compressed air - for free - and always checks coolant level and
windshield water too. Changing car oil at home is a mess, the oil
filter is hard to remove and I hate crawling under a car. At the
station, he has a nice elevator. Also, the guy takes only 20 minutes
and I am there watching all the procedings. For the bike, I change at
home, because my bike is not plated, registered, insured, etc. When I
have to go to the station to change car's oil, I take all the used
bike oil and dump in theirs used oil tank. Since I use the same oil
for car/bike, folks at gas station gladly accept it. I suspect it must
worth a few nickels to them. Btw, I collect the bike oil in a plastic
container I found on the kitchen section of a large department store
and afterwards I put the used oil in the same bottles the new oil
came...
I'd love to have a recycling facility come pick my old stuff, but
instead, I have to walk to the end of the street just to dump the
garbage. Love the town I live but hate the (lack of) infrastructure.
-- Tiago
