Sierra Club Hypocrisy

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:11:05 -0700, Beryl
<flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:


>Care to discuss the supposed eco-terrorist how-to guide that illustrates
>how to rig up booby traps to maim and kill dirtbikers? You know the one,
>written by dirtbikers.

The ELF is dirtbikers?

Good one.


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Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

"Beryl" <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote in message
news:L-ednVN5lPPlmZzVnZ2dnUVZ viunZ2d@toastnet...
> XR650L Dave wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 3:33 am, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>>> WoodsChick wrote:
>>>> It seems as though the Sierra Club hikers don't like staying on
>>>> designated trails...
>>>> "Hike leader Andy Serrano, who sponsors an evening "boot camp" for the
>>>> hardiest hikers, said a trail is a trail, with many undesignated paths
>>>> leading to stairways, bridges and other man-made features.
>>>> In some areas, he said, the unofficial trails are the only way to get
>>>> from place to place, as from Lake Hollywood to Mount Cahuenga.
>>>> "I'm a fast hiker, but I don't blaze new trails," Serrano said. He
>>>> added that, without the sporting element, many hikers would rather
>>>> stay home. "They won't come. I wouldn't come.
>>>> "I'd go to the gym, where there are pretty girls in leotards," he
>>>> said. "The smaller trails ... are very steep. You do some technical
>>>> climbing. There are rocks. They're more challenging.
>>>> "The fire trails are like a sidewalk. There's absolutely nothing
>>>> interesting there."
>>>> Here's the full story on how they are thrashing Griffith Park.
>>>> Bastards...
>>>> http :// www .dailynews,com /ci 8857310
>>>> Tami-
>>> The full story says you lied. The Sierra Club has the integrity to
>>> criticize their own errant hike leaders.
>>>
>>> ""Where I take issue is where Sierra Club hike leaders are taking
>>> shortcuts and creating new trails," said Louis Alvarado, honorary mayor
>>> of Griffith Park and longtime Sierra Club hike coordinator."
>>>
>>> "An official from the Angeles Chapter of the Sierra Club said hikers are
>>> instructed to keep out of burn areas and stay on official Griffith Park
>>> trails."
>>>
>>> "'We're trying our best,' said Virgil Shields, an executive member of
>>> the club's Angeles Chapter, adding it's hard to police 1,000 hike
>>> leaders and 50,000 local members."
>>>
>>> "The Sierra Club always has respect for the outdoors. We've made it a
>>> point to protect Griffith Park. We've told our leaders not to hike
>>> through burn areas. ... We tell our leaders to stay out of unofficial
>>> trails."
>>>
>>> "Many Sierra Club hike leaders say leaders of some of the fastest
>>> organized hikes cause some of the greatest damage."- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Where was the lie?
>
> Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
> hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
> "the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
>
> The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
> it that way.


De-lurking.......

I think I will say this before anyone else, Beryl, you are a lying
hypocritical sack of shit.

Going back into lurk mode.....

Tom

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:52:20 -0700, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org>
wrote:

>
>Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
>hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
>"the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
>
>The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
>it that way.

Let's get right to the bottom line dumbass... copied directly from Sierra's
web site just a few years ago:

"Next time you're on a hike and a dirt bike roars by, get 40 friends to
all call or write to the Forest Supervisor and say, "We demand immediate
closure of the trail to dirt bikes because user conflicts indicate that
considerable adverse effects are occurring." The effect is to publicize
the "user conflict" aspect of ORMV use on public lands, which the
regulations stipulate shall trigger action from the managing agency."

Balance THAT. So try to be a little more selective as to what your pointed
at when you decide to look down your nose. Nearly ever person in here has
been ass-fucked by sophistry oozing from you eco-utopian dirtbags for
decades. Sierra Inc is the single largest collection of lying sacks of shit
on the cosmos... the completely fabricated field of "environmental science"
is rich with examples of the card-carrying do-gooders skewing the fucking
data (throwing lab-harvested lynx hair onto glue traps and migrating
spotted owls in micro-busses to new areas that so need "protection", etc,
etc, etc) so that no-minds like you get all fucking emo and write checks
and vote supporting abject fucking stupidity. FUCK YOU. FUCK Gore's made up
sandpile theory. FUCK the entire microenvironmentalism movement. FUCK OFF.


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Mike W.
96 XR400
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
99 KZ1000P (training)
99 KZ1000P (rider)
00 Beta Rev-3

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

"Mike W." <...
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:52:20 -0700, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
>>hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
>>"the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
>>
>>The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
>>it that way.
>
> Let's get right to the bottom line dumbass... copied directly from
> Sierra's
> web site just a few years ago:
>
> "Next time you're on a hike and a dirt bike roars by, get 40 friends to
> all call or write to the Forest Supervisor and say, "We demand immediate
> closure of the trail to dirt bikes because user conflicts indicate that
> considerable adverse effects are occurring." The effect is to publicize
> the "user conflict" aspect of ORMV use on public lands, which the
> regulations stipulate shall trigger action from the managing agency."
>
> Balance THAT. So try to be a little more selective as to what your pointed
> at when you decide to look down your nose. Nearly ever person in here has
> been ass-fucked by sophistry oozing from you eco-utopian dirtbags for
> decades. Sierra Inc is the single largest collection of lying sacks of
> shit
> on the cosmos... the completely fabricated field of "environmental
> science"
> is rich with examples of the card-carrying do-gooders skewing the fucking
> data (throwing lab-harvested lynx hair onto glue traps and migrating
> spotted owls in micro-busses to new areas that so need "protection", etc,
> etc, etc) so that no-minds like you get all fucking emo and write checks
> and vote supporting abject fucking stupidity. FUCK YOU. FUCK Gore's made
> up
> sandpile theory. FUCK the entire microenvironmentalism movement. FUCK OFF.
>
>
> --
> Mike W.

What Mike said. And, for that matter, what Levy said too.

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:29:35 -0400, "Dean H." <moto@groove.calm>
wrote:

>What Mike said. And, for that matter, what Levy said too.

And Tami.


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Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

In article <0p520410kg316he03po4ds0bv2bgt56ugf@4ax,com >,
Mike W. <outofthe@emailbiz,com > wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:52:20 -0700, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
> >hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
> >"the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
> >
> >The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
> >it that way.
>
> Let's get right to the bottom line dumbass... copied directly from Sierra's
> web site just a few years ago:
>
> "Next time you're on a hike and a dirt bike roars by, get 40 friends to
> all call or write to the Forest Supervisor and say, "We demand immediate
> closure of the trail to dirt bikes because user conflicts indicate that
> considerable adverse effects are occurring." The effect is to publicize
> the "user conflict" aspect of ORMV use on public lands, which the
> regulations stipulate shall trigger action from the managing agency."
>
> Balance THAT. So try to be a little more selective as to what your pointed
> at when you decide to look down your nose. Nearly ever person in here has
> been ass-fucked by sophistry oozing from you eco-utopian dirtbags for
> decades. Sierra Inc is the single largest collection of lying sacks of shit
> on the cosmos... the completely fabricated field of "environmental science"
> is rich with examples of the card-carrying do-gooders skewing the fucking
> data (throwing lab-harvested lynx hair onto glue traps and migrating
> spotted owls in micro-busses to new areas that so need "protection", etc,
> etc, etc) so that no-minds like you get all fucking emo and write checks
> and vote supporting abject fucking stupidity. FUCK YOU. FUCK Gore's made up
> sandpile theory. FUCK the entire microenvironmentalism movement. FUCK OFF.
>
>

Next time, can I be the good cop, and you the bad cop? It's not nearly
as much fun to try to be polite to idiots*.


*idiot |'ideat|
noun informal
a stupid person.
? archaic Medicine a mentally handicapped person.
DERIVATIVES
idiotic |?id???tik| adjective
idiotically |?id???tik(?)l?| adverb
ORIGIN Middle English (denoting a person of low intelligence): via Old
French from Latin idiota 'ignorant person,' from Greek idi?t?s
'private person, layman, ignorant person,' from idios 'own, private.'

--
Charles
'99 YZ250

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

Beryl;
You must be one of those eco-muslums.You are in the wrong place at the
wrong time. Beware. When you idiots damage enough dirt with your
better than though attitude the Forest Service will come up with a
giant size mouse trap to hide in the forest designed to break your
legs when you pass over it. I would call it the "Tanya Harding Device"
and hope to see you in the emergency room with your story. It would
make great You Tube material. Hope to see you in the woods someday.

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

Mike W. wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:52:20 -0700, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
>> hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
>> "the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
>>
>> The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
>> it that way.
>
> Let's get right to the bottom line dumbass... copied directly from Sierra's
> web site just a few years ago:
>
> "Next time you're on a hike and a dirt bike roars by, get 40 friends to
> all call or write to the Forest Supervisor and say, "We demand immediate
> closure of the trail to dirt bikes because user conflicts indicate that
> considerable adverse effects are occurring." The effect is to publicize
> the "user conflict" aspect of ORMV use on public lands, which the
> regulations stipulate shall trigger action from the managing agency."
>
> Balance THAT. So try to be a little more selective as to what your pointed
> at when you decide to look down your nose. Nearly ever person in here has
> been ass-fucked by sophistry oozing from you eco-utopian dirtbags for
> decades. Sierra Inc is the single largest collection of lying sacks of shit
> on the cosmos... the completely fabricated field of "environmental science"
> is rich with examples of the card-carrying do-gooders skewing the fucking
> data (throwing lab-harvested lynx hair onto glue traps and migrating
> spotted owls in micro-busses to new areas that so need "protection", etc,
> etc, etc) so that no-minds like you get all fucking emo and write checks
> and vote supporting abject fucking stupidity. FUCK YOU. FUCK Gore's made up
> sandpile theory. FUCK the entire microenvironmentalism movement. FUCK OFF.
>
>
> --
> Mike W.
> 96 XR400
> 70 CT70
> 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
> 99 KZ1000P (training)
> 99 KZ1000P (rider)
> 00 Beta Rev-3

BTW, Mike, nice tirade.

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

In article <L-ednVN5lPPlmZzVnZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@toastnet>,
Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:

One more time...where was the lie?

> >> WoodsChick wrote:
> >>> It seems as though the Sierra Club hikers don't like staying on
> >>> designated trails...

True.

> >>> "Hike leader Andy Serrano, who sponsors an evening "boot camp" for the
> >>> hardiest hikers, said a trail is a trail, with many undesignated paths
> >>> leading to stairways, bridges and other man-made features.
> >>> In some areas, he said, the unofficial trails are the only way to get
> >>> from place to place, as from Lake Hollywood to Mount Cahuenga.
> >>> "I'm a fast hiker, but I don't blaze new trails," Serrano said. He
> >>> added that, without the sporting element, many hikers would rather
> >>> stay home. "They won't come. I wouldn't come.
> >>> "I'd go to the gym, where there are pretty girls in leotards," he
> >>> said. "The smaller trails ... are very steep. You do some technical
> >>> climbing. There are rocks. They're more challenging.
> >>> "The fire trails are like a sidewalk. There's absolutely nothing
> >>> interesting there."

Direct quote. True.

> >>> Here's the full story on how they are thrashing Griffith Park.

True.

> >>> Bastards...

Hmm. She probably doesn't know that every male Sierra Club member was
born out of wedlock, but it's probably a reasonable guess, and she's a
pretty smart lady. I wouldn't call that a lie. More like poetic
license.

> >>> http :// www .dailynews,com /ci_8857310

A correct link. True.

> >>> Tami-

Her real name. True.

> The full story says you lied.

An amazingly glaring lack of logic has just been displayed here.
Everyone, pay attention please. We have met the enemy, and he can't
think straight.

>
> Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
> hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
> "the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
>
> The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
> it that way.

Note to Beryl: Tami <quoted> a link to the full story. She didn't NEED
to write it.

--
Charles
'99 YZ250

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

HardWorkingDog wrote:
> In article <L-ednVN5lPPlmZzVnZ2dnUVZ viunZ2d@toastnet>,
> Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
> One more time...where was the lie?
>
>>>> WoodsChick wrote:
>>>>> It seems as though the Sierra Club hikers don't like staying on
>>>>> designated trails...
>
> True.
>
>>>>> "Hike leader Andy Serrano, who sponsors an evening "boot camp" for the
>>>>> hardiest hikers, said a trail is a trail, with many undesignated paths
>>>>> leading to stairways, bridges and other man-made features.
>>>>> In some areas, he said, the unofficial trails are the only way to get
>>>>> from place to place, as from Lake Hollywood to Mount Cahuenga.
>>>>> "I'm a fast hiker, but I don't blaze new trails," Serrano said. He
>>>>> added that, without the sporting element, many hikers would rather
>>>>> stay home. "They won't come. I wouldn't come.
>>>>> "I'd go to the gym, where there are pretty girls in leotards," he
>>>>> said. "The smaller trails ... are very steep. You do some technical
>>>>> climbing. There are rocks. They're more challenging.
>>>>> "The fire trails are like a sidewalk. There's absolutely nothing
>>>>> interesting there."
>
> Direct quote. True.
>
>>>>> Here's the full story on how they are thrashing Griffith Park.
>
> True.
>
>>>>> Bastards...
>
> Hmm. She probably doesn't know that every male Sierra Club member was
> born out of wedlock, but it's probably a reasonable guess, and she's a
> pretty smart lady. I wouldn't call that a lie. More like poetic
> license.
>
>>>>> http :// www .dailynews,com /ci 8857310
>
> A correct link. True.
>
>>>>> Tami-
>
> Her real name. True.
>
>> The full story says you lied.
>
> An amazingly glaring lack of logic has just been displayed here.
> Everyone, pay attention please. We have met the enemy, and he can't
> think straight.
>
>> Woodschick distorts the story. She labels the whole organization as
>> hypocrites by picking out hike leader Andy Serrano, representing him as
>> "the Sierra Club hikers", and omitting facts which don't fit her agenda.
>>
>> The article was pretty fairly balanced. Woodschick wouldn't have written
>> it that way.
>
> Note to Beryl: Tami <quoted> a link to the full story. She didn't NEED
> to write it.

But she did need to tweak it to excite the RMD audience.

http :// www .merriam-webster,com /dictionary/omission
1 a: something neglected or left undone b: apathy toward or neglect of duty

Truths, a direct quote, correct link, but a lie of omission is still a lie.

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

In article <_oCdne4xG-aYB5zVnZ2dnUVZ_q2hnZ2d@toastnet>,
Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:

> But she did need to tweak it to excite the RMD audience.
>
> http :// www .merriam-webster,com /dictionary/omission
> 1 a: something neglected or left undone b: apathy toward or neglect of duty
>
> Truths, a direct quote, correct link, but a lie of omission is still a lie.

OK, folks. Another lesson in formal logic.

"Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which an
argument is assumed to be true without evidence other than the
argument itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of
a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why
the statement is true in the first place. (q.v.,
http :// begthequestion.info/)

Beryl has so kindly provided us with a fine example of begging the
question.

Third try and then you're out: where is the lie?

--
Charles
'99 YZ250

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

HardWorkingDog wrote:
> In article < oCdne4xG-aYB5zVnZ2dnUVZ q2hnZ2d@toastnet>,
> Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>> But she did need to tweak it to excite the RMD audience.
>>
>> http :// www .merriam-webster,com /dictionary/omission
>> 1 a: something neglected or left undone b: apathy toward or neglect of duty
>>
>> Truths, a direct quote, correct link, but a lie of omission is still a lie.
>
> OK, folks. Another lesson in formal logic.
>
> "Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which an
> argument is assumed to be true without evidence other than the
> argument itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of
> a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why
> the statement is true in the first place. (q.v.,
> http :// begthequestion.info/)
>
> Beryl has so kindly provided us with a fine example of begging the
> question.

Inapplicable. But go ahead, connect the dots.

> Third try and then you're out: where is the lie?

Elusive, isn't it? And in the end, a perpetrator can usually manage just
enough wiggle room to claim ignorance, or sloppiness, or whatever.

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

In article <dNidnUUAp9AiIJzVnZ2dnUVZ_sytnZ2d@toastnet>,
Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:

> > Third try and then you're out: where is the lie?
>
> Elusive, isn't it? And in the end, a perpetrator can usually manage just
> enough wiggle room to claim ignorance, or sloppiness, or whatever.

YURRRRRRRRRR OUT! Grab some pine, meat!

--
Charles
'99 YZ250

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

Beryl,
Get on yout TTR and go practice some double back flips with out your
helmet.

Re: Sierra Club Hypocrisy

HardWorkingDog wrote:
> In article <dNidnUUAp9AiIJzVnZ2dnUVZ sytnZ2d@toastnet>,
> Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>>> Third try and then you're out: where is the lie?
>> Elusive, isn't it? And in the end, a perpetrator can usually manage just
>> enough wiggle room to claim ignorance, or sloppiness, or whatever.
>
> YURRRRRRRRRR OUT! Grab some pine, meat!

Already wrapped it up. My replies, all of them, include quotes,
examples, explanations to support what I claim.

Now, take a look at your own... why, there's NOTHING there!


2nd request: Connect the dots.
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OK, folks. Another lesson in formal logic.

"Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which an argument
is assumed to be true without evidence other than the argument >itself.
When one begs the question, the initial assumption of a >statement is
treated as already proven without any logic to show why >the statement
is true in the first place. (q.v., > http :// begthequestion.info/)

Beryl has so kindly provided us with a fine example of begging the question.

Inapplicable. But go ahead, connect the dots.
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