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Harley-Ducati merger / buy out?
A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about it
but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the last
stock holders report.
Anyone know the straight scoop?
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Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about it
but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the last
stock holders report.
Anyone know the straight scoop?
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Greasy Rider
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"Greasy Rider" <spam@trap . com > wrote in message
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>A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about it
>but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the last
>stock holders report.
>
> Anyone know the straight scoop?
That rumour's been around awhile. In a climate like this with the dollar so
devalued to the Euro and MoCo stock at 5 year lows, it's certainly within
reason that Duck could buy 'em out. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
news:48176617$0$5731$4c368faf@roadrunner . com ...
>A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about it
>but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the last
>stock holders report.
>
> Anyone know the straight scoop?
That rumour's been around awhile. In a climate like this with the dollar so
devalued to the Euro and MoCo stock at 5 year lows, it's certainly within
reason that Duck could buy 'em out. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Schmoe wrote:
> "Greasy Rider" <spam@trap . com > wrote in message
> news:48176617$0$5731$4c368faf@roadrunner . com ...
>
>> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip
>> about it but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it
>> in the last stock holders report.
>>
>> Anyone know the straight scoop?
>
>
> That rumour's been around awhile. In a climate like this with the dollar
> so devalued to the Euro and MoCo stock at 5 year lows, it's certainly
> within reason that Duck could buy 'em out. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
True, MoCo is lower than 5 years ago, but so are a lot of other stocks.
When you look at MoCo's (and other stock such as PRU and MET), the long
term trend is going up.
I just looked and MoCo is trading at $39.44. Five years ago it looked
to be around $43 or $44. In late 06 it was up over $70 per.
Hell, MoCo had 3 stock splits between 1990 and 1995 and two after that.
Buy on bad news, sell on good.
Bears make money, Bulls make money. Pigs go to slaughter.
> "Greasy Rider" <spam@trap . com > wrote in message
> news:48176617$0$5731$4c368faf@roadrunner . com ...
>
>> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip
>> about it but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it
>> in the last stock holders report.
>>
>> Anyone know the straight scoop?
>
>
> That rumour's been around awhile. In a climate like this with the dollar
> so devalued to the Euro and MoCo stock at 5 year lows, it's certainly
> within reason that Duck could buy 'em out. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
True, MoCo is lower than 5 years ago, but so are a lot of other stocks.
When you look at MoCo's (and other stock such as PRU and MET), the long
term trend is going up.
I just looked and MoCo is trading at $39.44. Five years ago it looked
to be around $43 or $44. In late 06 it was up over $70 per.
Hell, MoCo had 3 stock splits between 1990 and 1995 and two after that.
Buy on bad news, sell on good.
Bears make money, Bulls make money. Pigs go to slaughter.
"nitespark" <nitespark@cox . net > wrote in message
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> Schmoe wrote:
>
>> "Greasy Rider" <spam@trap . com > wrote in message
>> news:48176617$0$5731$4c368faf@roadrunner . com ...
>>
>>> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>>> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about
>>> it but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the
>>> last stock holders report.
>>>
>>> Anyone know the straight scoop?
>>
>>
>> That rumour's been around awhile. In a climate like this with the dollar
>> so devalued to the Euro and MoCo stock at 5 year lows, it's certainly
>> within reason that Duck could buy 'em out. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
>
> True, MoCo is lower than 5 years ago, but so are a lot of other stocks.
> When you look at MoCo's (and other stock such as PRU and MET), the long
> term trend is going up.
>
> I just looked and MoCo is trading at $39.44. Five years ago it looked to
> be around $43 or $44. In late 06 it was up over $70 per.
>
> Hell, MoCo had 3 stock splits between 1990 and 1995 and two after that.
>
> Buy on bad news, sell on good.
>
> Bears make money, Bulls make money. Pigs go to slaughter.
Actually, looking at the stock charts of the aforementioned stocks (or any
investment), the long term trend is NOT going up. The chart only shows
historical trends, not future trends. Common misconception though.
Disclaimer: I am a financial planner & investment advisor. My 2 cents worth
is not to be taken as investment advice, counseling, or anything more than a
fart in the wind.
Lee-Bro
Early '84 XLH
"Lee-Bro" <leebro@mypantsfuse . net > wrote in message
>
> Actually, looking at the stock charts of the aforementioned stocks (or any
> investment), the long term trend is NOT going up. The chart only shows
> historical trends, not future trends. Common misconception though.
>
> Disclaimer: I am a financial planner & investment advisor. My 2 cents
> worth is not to be taken as investment advice, counseling, or anything
> more than a fart in the wind.
Uhhh, I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about that.
>
> Actually, looking at the stock charts of the aforementioned stocks (or any
> investment), the long term trend is NOT going up. The chart only shows
> historical trends, not future trends. Common misconception though.
>
> Disclaimer: I am a financial planner & investment advisor. My 2 cents
> worth is not to be taken as investment advice, counseling, or anything
> more than a fart in the wind.
Uhhh, I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about that.
Greasy Rider wrote:
> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about it
> but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the last
> stock holders report.
>
> Anyone know the straight scoop?
Yep. It was quite the rumor in the Ducati owner's world last fall.
It's bullshit. It was based on a question that a European (IIRC)
journalist asked the Ducati CEO at one of the Euro bike shows. It was
more or less an idle question about Harley and Ducati merging and the
Duc CEO said something about how there might be an interesting synergy
between the two companies but that nothing was in the works in that
direction at the present time. Folks parsed that in the most paranoid
way possible and WahLah! rumors fly that Harley's buying Ducati.
It isn't.
There is a guy, however, who managed to graft a set of Duck heads on an
Evo bottom end. I can't imagine how cool that sounds. And why Harley
didn't license that technology from Ducati years ago.
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
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but not at all bitter
> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about it
> but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the last
> stock holders report.
>
> Anyone know the straight scoop?
Yep. It was quite the rumor in the Ducati owner's world last fall.
It's bullshit. It was based on a question that a European (IIRC)
journalist asked the Ducati CEO at one of the Euro bike shows. It was
more or less an idle question about Harley and Ducati merging and the
Duc CEO said something about how there might be an interesting synergy
between the two companies but that nothing was in the works in that
direction at the present time. Folks parsed that in the most paranoid
way possible and WahLah! rumors fly that Harley's buying Ducati.
It isn't.
There is a guy, however, who managed to graft a set of Duck heads on an
Evo bottom end. I can't imagine how cool that sounds. And why Harley
didn't license that technology from Ducati years ago.
--
Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
"Spunky Hussein Tuna" <spunkyhusseintuna@earthlink . net > wrote in message
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> Greasy Rider wrote:
>> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about
>> it but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the
>> last stock holders report.
>>
>> Anyone know the straight scoop?
>
> Yep. It was quite the rumor in the Ducati owner's world last fall. It's
> bullshit. It was based on a question that a European (IIRC) journalist
> asked the Ducati CEO at one of the Euro bike shows. It was more or less
> an idle question about Harley and Ducati merging and the Duc CEO said
> something about how there might be an interesting synergy between the two
> companies but that nothing was in the works in that direction at the
> present time. Folks parsed that in the most paranoid way possible and
> WahLah! rumors fly that Harley's buying Ducati.
>
> It isn't.
>
> There is a guy, however, who managed to graft a set of Duck heads on an
> Evo bottom end. I can't imagine how cool that sounds. And why Harley
> didn't license that technology from Ducati years ago.
Your point is very well made. Rumors aside, company's are bought today not
for their current business but for how their lifestyle mega-brand(s) can be
exploited. The MoCo's business profile has been to build the brand within
the parameters of company-made motorcycles and licensed products sold
primarily in their "licensed" stores. At an unusually cheap price due to a
devalued dollar and overall economic woes, the company must look attractive
to either private equity or foreign investment from as a pure brand play.
Harley-Davidson sheets @ Bed, Bath & Beyond? Stranger things have happened.
Seems like a silly example but just to make the point that the company is
susceptible to a takover, friendly or hostile.
And their price could very easily dip further.
news:CaKdnd_frY0NCYrVnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@earthlink . com ...
> Greasy Rider wrote:
>> A guy at a H-D dealership told me this morning that Harley had bought
>> Ducati. I've Googled it to death and all I can find is some gossip about
>> it but nothing dated after June 2007. There was nothing about it in the
>> last stock holders report.
>>
>> Anyone know the straight scoop?
>
> Yep. It was quite the rumor in the Ducati owner's world last fall. It's
> bullshit. It was based on a question that a European (IIRC) journalist
> asked the Ducati CEO at one of the Euro bike shows. It was more or less
> an idle question about Harley and Ducati merging and the Duc CEO said
> something about how there might be an interesting synergy between the two
> companies but that nothing was in the works in that direction at the
> present time. Folks parsed that in the most paranoid way possible and
> WahLah! rumors fly that Harley's buying Ducati.
>
> It isn't.
>
> There is a guy, however, who managed to graft a set of Duck heads on an
> Evo bottom end. I can't imagine how cool that sounds. And why Harley
> didn't license that technology from Ducati years ago.
Your point is very well made. Rumors aside, company's are bought today not
for their current business but for how their lifestyle mega-brand(s) can be
exploited. The MoCo's business profile has been to build the brand within
the parameters of company-made motorcycles and licensed products sold
primarily in their "licensed" stores. At an unusually cheap price due to a
devalued dollar and overall economic woes, the company must look attractive
to either private equity or foreign investment from as a pure brand play.
Harley-Davidson sheets @ Bed, Bath & Beyond? Stranger things have happened.
Seems like a silly example but just to make the point that the company is
susceptible to a takover, friendly or hostile.
And their price could very easily dip further.
Schmoe wrote:
> Your point is very well made. Rumors aside, company's are bought today
> not for their current business but for how their lifestyle mega-brand(s)
> can be exploited. The MoCo's business profile has been to build the
> brand within the parameters of company-made motorcycles and licensed
> products sold primarily in their "licensed" stores. At an unusually
> cheap price due to a devalued dollar and overall economic woes, the
> company must look attractive to either private equity or foreign
> investment from as a pure brand play. Harley-Davidson sheets @ Bed, Bath
> & Beyond? Stranger things have happened. Seems like a silly example but
> just to make the point that the company is susceptible to a takover,
> friendly or hostile.
>
> And their price could very easily dip further.
Good point, but Ducati isn't in the market to buy anybody. They teeter
on the brink of insolvency year after year. Something about racing
being the most important thing they do and street vehicles being very
much a secondary concern.
They've only been profitable for about two or three years now, so I
doubt they have the resources for an sort of purchase. They just got
purchased themselves not more than three or four years ago, IIRC.
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
> Your point is very well made. Rumors aside, company's are bought today
> not for their current business but for how their lifestyle mega-brand(s)
> can be exploited. The MoCo's business profile has been to build the
> brand within the parameters of company-made motorcycles and licensed
> products sold primarily in their "licensed" stores. At an unusually
> cheap price due to a devalued dollar and overall economic woes, the
> company must look attractive to either private equity or foreign
> investment from as a pure brand play. Harley-Davidson sheets @ Bed, Bath
> & Beyond? Stranger things have happened. Seems like a silly example but
> just to make the point that the company is susceptible to a takover,
> friendly or hostile.
>
> And their price could very easily dip further.
Good point, but Ducati isn't in the market to buy anybody. They teeter
on the brink of insolvency year after year. Something about racing
being the most important thing they do and street vehicles being very
much a secondary concern.
They've only been profitable for about two or three years now, so I
doubt they have the resources for an sort of purchase. They just got
purchased themselves not more than three or four years ago, IIRC.
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
"Spunky Hussein Tuna" wrote...
> They just got purchased themselves not more than three or four years ago,
> IIRC.
You remember correctly.
> They just got purchased themselves not more than three or four years ago,
> IIRC.
You remember correctly.
Arie Bresser wrote:
> "Spunky Hussein Tuna" wrote...
>> They just got purchased themselves not more than three or four years
>> ago, IIRC.
>
> You remember correctly.
They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting commercials.
Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
To which, let me add, holy shit!
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
> "Spunky Hussein Tuna" wrote...
>> They just got purchased themselves not more than three or four years
>> ago, IIRC.
>
> You remember correctly.
They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting commercials.
Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
To which, let me add, holy shit!
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
"Spunky Hussein Tuna"
> They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting commercials.
>
> Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
Bad link
> They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting commercials.
>
> Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
Bad link
Schmoe wrote:
> "Spunky Hussein Tuna"
>> They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting commercials.
>>
>> Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
>
> Bad link
They moved it. It's here now: * tinyurl . com /4erv4x
Well worth the look.
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
> "Spunky Hussein Tuna"
>> They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting commercials.
>>
>> Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
>
> Bad link
They moved it. It's here now: * tinyurl . com /4erv4x
Well worth the look.
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Spunky Hussein Tuna
radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
but not at all bitter
"Spunky Hussein Tuna" <spunkyhusseintuna@earthlink . net > wrote in message
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> Schmoe wrote:
>> "Spunky Hussein Tuna"
>>> They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting
>>> commercials.
>>>
>>> Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
>>
>> Bad link
>
> They moved it. It's here now: * tinyurl . com /4erv4x
>
> Well worth the look.
>
> --
>
> Spunky Hussein Tuna
> radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
> but not at all bitter
Heh-heh...liked the final-frame credit to Tracy!
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> Schmoe wrote:
>> "Spunky Hussein Tuna"
>>> They do, however, have enough money to make, uh, interesting
>>> commercials.
>>>
>>> Like this one here: * tinyurl . com /3jk6lr
>>
>> Bad link
>
> They moved it. It's here now: * tinyurl . com /4erv4x
>
> Well worth the look.
>
> --
>
> Spunky Hussein Tuna
> radical ChristoIslamic fundamentalist Pescasupremacist...
> but not at all bitter
Heh-heh...liked the final-frame credit to Tracy!
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"Spunky Hussein Tuna" wrote...
>
> Well worth the look.
That would qualify for understatement of the week.
>
> Well worth the look.
That would qualify for understatement of the week.
In article <8rCdnQQiUsrAGYXVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@earthlink . com >,
Spunky Hussein Tuna <spunkyhusseintuna@earthlink . net > wrote:
> Well worth the look.
I'd do her.
Bike ain't bad either.
Spunky Hussein Tuna <spunkyhusseintuna@earthlink . net > wrote:
> Well worth the look.
I'd do her.
Bike ain't bad either.
