OT-Cameras

Re: OT-Cameras

Sheep wrote:
> Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
> available.
>
> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
> During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
> (miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
> camera).
>
> Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
> decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
> to take the leap.
>
> So I'm thinking what I could stick on my bike for $2,500 or so that
> would make me go that route rather than the camera. I got the bike
> setup pretty much the way - performance wise - I want it so I'm
> leaning hard towards the camera.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> And if Billy da Roach is reading this the patch ain't cheap any more.
>
>
> Dave (Dukes Sheep)
> '07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
> "Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps
>
> A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
> Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Sounds like you're after a better (well , more professional-type model)
camera than mine , but I got a 8mp Kodak and a 1 gb sd card for less than
two bills back before the holidays . Does all kinds of stuff I don't know
how to use ... got a great zoom . Takes videos too ...
--
Snag
'90 Ultra "Strider"
'39 WLDD "Popcycle"
Buncha cars and a truck

Re: OT-Cameras


"Sheep" wrote
> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.

> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want to
> take the leap.
>
> $2,500

That's way too much money to spend on a DSLR for the casual imager. IMO.

When I was doing astro-imaging, I picked up a Canon Rebel for $600 when the
prices had come down, and was absolutely delighted with it for both day and
night imaging. Came with a mild zoom, and was everything the average joe
needs. Of course for astro-imaging, you pulled the zoom and connected it to
a telescope. Cool stuff, but too many cloudy nights here so I sold all that
stuff and bought a Harley.

My brother on the other hand has a high end DSLR, and spent more than the
cost of the camera, a couple of times, on high end zooms. But he's mental
when it comes to his hobbies. He did manage to sell some of his birding
images to a calendar maker.

-Spanky

Re: OT-Cameras

On Sat, 3 May 2008 09:48:06 -0400, "Spanky" wrote:

>
>"Sheep" wrote
>> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>
>> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want to
>> take the leap.
>>
>> $2,500
>
>That's way too much money to spend on a DSLR for the casual imager. IMO.
>

I tend towards overkill. The above price is a kit:

Nikon D300 DX 12.3MP Digital SLR Camera with
18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR [Vibration Reduction] DX Nikkor Zoom
Lens
Nikon MB-D10 Grip Multi Power Battery Pack
Lexar Pro 4GB CF Memory Card
Extra Nikon EN-EL3e Battery
Nikon SLR Gadget Bag


And since I'm not a chrome guy the above is about the same as a set of
good chrome wheels. My daughter says go ahead otherwise I'll bug her
about it for weeks.


Dave (Dukes Sheep)
'07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Re: OT-Cameras


"Sheep" wrote
> "Spanky" wrote:
>>"Sheep" wrote
>>> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>>
>>> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>>> to
>>> take the leap.
>>>
>>> $2,500
>>
>>That's way too much money to spend on a DSLR for the casual imager. IMO.
>>
>
> I tend towards overkill. The above price is a kit:
> And since I'm not a chrome guy the above is about the same as a set of
> good chrome wheels. My daughter says go ahead otherwise I'll bug her
> about it for weeks.

Sounds like your mind was made up before you walked through the door.
<sfsf>

Enjoy! Imaging is fun. One day I'll get back into astro-imaging using a
DSLR. It's a time consuming hobby better suited to the retired person who
can stay up late, and sleep until noon. I'm looking forward to it.

-Spanky

Re: OT-Cameras

On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:08 -0400, "Spanky" wrote:

>
>
>> I tend towards overkill. The above price is a kit:
>> And since I'm not a chrome guy the above is about the same as a set of
>> good chrome wheels. My daughter says go ahead otherwise I'll bug her
>> about it for weeks.
>
>Sounds like your mind was made up before you walked through the door.
><sfsf>
>

Pretty much. Probably pull the trigger in the morning. I'm playing
in a golf tournament next week and it'd be nice test. Of pictures not
golf since I've played 3 times since my surgery this time last year.
Then I have Myrtle Beach Bikeweek coming up. More good tests.

Then leaving on a trip to Key West with a 2-day stop in Naples for
business. I usually take pictures at the banquet and have never been
satisfied with the results. This time might be different

Then I do a photo album of our family Thanksgiving get together (50+
people) each year for Christmas presents for my Mom, Aunts and Uncles.
This might give a better quality. Should at the price.

Then I have a niece's wedding in June, my son graduates from college
next year. etc. I'll get my money's worth out of it.


Dave (Dukes Sheep)
'07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Re: OT-Cameras


"Sheep" <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net > wrote in message
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<snip>
> I tend towards overkill. The above price is a kit:
>
> Nikon D300 DX 12.3MP Digital SLR Camera with
> 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR [Vibration Reduction] DX Nikkor Zoom
> Lens
> Nikon MB-D10 Grip Multi Power Battery Pack
> Lexar Pro 4GB CF Memory Card
> Extra Nikon EN-EL3e Battery
> Nikon SLR Gadget Bag
>
>
> And since I'm not a chrome guy the above is about the same as a set of
> good chrome wheels. My daughter says go ahead otherwise I'll bug her
> about it for weeks.
>
>
> Dave (Dukes Sheep)

skip the 18 to 200 floating apeture lens. too much zoom range and not fast
enough at high magnification. even with the two to three stops of vibration
resistance it is going to be had to shoot at 200 mm when the fastest it will
shoot is 5.6. your putting an entry level lens on a semi pro camera.
michael

Re: OT-Cameras

On Tue, 6 May 2008 08:45:16 -0400, "nunya" <nunya@nunya,net > wrote:


>skip the 18 to 200 floating apeture lens. too much zoom range and not fast
>enough at high magnification. even with the two to three stops of vibration
>resistance it is going to be had to shoot at 200 mm when the fastest it will
>shoot is 5.6. your putting an entry level lens on a semi pro camera.
>michael
>


Too late. :)

Give me one or two lens recommendations. In door moving banquet type
stuff.


Dave (Dukes Sheep)
'07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Re: OT-Cameras

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheep" <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
<snip>
>
>
> Too late. :)
>
> Give me one or two lens recommendations. In door moving banquet type
> stuff.
>
>
> Dave (Dukes Sheep)


f2.8 24 - 70. costs about 1,600 bucks but it is slap perfect. if you want
to do something similar but on a tighter budget then try the f2.8-f3.5 24 -
85 for around 500 street. i have one of these and it has served me well for
over a decade.

if you wnat to shoot wide buy the f2.8 17 - 35 at around 1,600 dollars
again. to shoot far off the f2.8 80 - 200 at about 1,100 street is a tested
lens. i own both of these also. you can pick up good used f2.8 20 - 35's
on the street for about 600 bucks. they are good lenses even though they
are old and discontinued. my next lens purchase is the 80 - 400 vibration
reduction lens but this is only for one specific task. it will be a 1,300
dollar investment that may get used two or three times a year.

try to buy fixed aperture, internal focusing lenses when you can. do not
buy dx "digital" format lenses. it is only a matter of time before most or
all DSLR's have full frame sensors and those cropped sensor lenses will be
obsolete. also rmember that all of the lenses i mentioned get multiplied by
1.5 for 35mm equivalent. that means the 17/35 acts like a 24/42 on your
camera. the 24/70 would approximate a 36/105. the 24/85 translates to
36/127 and so forth.

if you are going to be shooting indoors you will also need a sb800 flash
with color balanced diffusers. so now you are starting to see that you have
started sliding down a slipery slope that may be just as expensive as a
motorcycle hobby if you decide to do it full speed. good luck and if your
retailer offers a free class with the camera i suggest you take it.
michael

Re: OT-Cameras

On Wed, 7 May 2008 11:29:50 -0400, "nunya" <nunya@nunya,net > wrote:


>
>f2.8 24 - 70. costs about 1,600 bucks but it is slap perfect. if you want
>to do something similar but on a tighter budget then try the f2.8-f3.5 24 -
>85 for around 500 street. i have one of these and it has served me well for
>over a decade.
>
>if you wnat to shoot wide buy the f2.8 17 - 35 at around 1,600 dollars
>again. to shoot far off the f2.8 80 - 200 at about 1,100 street is a tested
>lens. i own both of these also. you can pick up good used f2.8 20 - 35's
>on the street for about 600 bucks. they are good lenses even though they
>are old and discontinued. my next lens purchase is the 80 - 400 vibration
>reduction lens but this is only for one specific task. it will be a 1,300
>dollar investment that may get used two or three times a year.
>
>try to buy fixed aperture, internal focusing lenses when you can. do not
>buy dx "digital" format lenses. it is only a matter of time before most or
>all DSLR's have full frame sensors and those cropped sensor lenses will be
>obsolete. also rmember that all of the lenses i mentioned get multiplied by
>1.5 for 35mm equivalent. that means the 17/35 acts like a 24/42 on your
>camera. the 24/70 would approximate a 36/105. the 24/85 translates to
>36/127 and so forth.
>
>if you are going to be shooting indoors you will also need a sb800 flash
>with color balanced diffusers. so now you are starting to see that you have
>started sliding down a slipery slope that may be just as expensive as a
>motorcycle hobby if you decide to do it full speed. good luck and if your
>retailer offers a free class with the camera i suggest you take it.
>michael
>

Message locked and saved. Thanks.


Dave (Dukes Sheep)
'07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Re: OT-Cameras


On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:38:06 -0400, Sheep <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
wrote:

>Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
>available.
>
>Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
>(miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
>camera).
>
>Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
>decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
>the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>to take the leap.

D300 is a great camera *but* take a look at used D200's. You can get
them for 1/2 the price of a D300 and there isn't all that much of a
difference. Spend the difference on great lenses and you can still
use them if you feel the urge to get a D300 when their prices come
down in a year or two as well.

The lens is what matters more than any particular camera body. You'll
go through many different body upgrades and still use the same high
quality lenses.

Steve

Re: OT-Cameras


"Steve" <steve@example,com > wrote in message
news:5i6p14hii0f0nd062m1hmpkevmlj67a4u2@4ax,com ...
>
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:38:06 -0400, Sheep <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
> wrote:
>
>>Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
>>available.
>>
>>Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>>During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
>>(miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
>>camera).
>>
>>Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
>>decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
>>the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>>to take the leap.
>
> D300 is a great camera *but* take a look at used D200's. You can get
> them for 1/2 the price of a D300 and there isn't all that much of a
> difference. Spend the difference on great lenses and you can still
> use them if you feel the urge to get a D300 when their prices come
> down in a year or two as well.
>
> The lens is what matters more than any particular camera body. You'll
> go through many different body upgrades and still use the same high
> quality lenses.
>
> Steve
yes very true... I will be staying in the Canon brand because of all the
lenses I have from my 650....

Invisible68

Re: OT-Cameras


On Sat, 3 May 2008 22:30:13 -0500, "Invisible68" <plathrop@lcom,net >
wrote:

>
>"Steve" <steve@example,com > wrote in message
>news:5i6p14hii0f0nd062m1hmpkevmlj67a4u2@4ax,com ...
>>
>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:38:06 -0400, Sheep <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
>>>available.
>>>
>>>Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>>>During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
>>>(miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
>>>camera).
>>>
>>>Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
>>>decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
>>>the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>>>to take the leap.
>>
>> D300 is a great camera *but* take a look at used D200's. You can get
>> them for 1/2 the price of a D300 and there isn't all that much of a
>> difference. Spend the difference on great lenses and you can still
>> use them if you feel the urge to get a D300 when their prices come
>> down in a year or two as well.
>>
>> The lens is what matters more than any particular camera body. You'll
>> go through many different body upgrades and still use the same high
>> quality lenses.
>>
>> Steve
>yes very true... I will be staying in the Canon brand because of all the
>lenses I have from my 650....

That's one of the reasons I don't like Canon. They don't care as much
about lens interchangeability between various SLR/SDLR bodies as Nikon
does. I do have a Canon pocket camera that I like a lot though. But
if you already have a lot invested in lenses, you're kinda stuck.

Of course, good lenses don't lose as much of their value on the used
market as bodies do. So maybe not as stuck as you might think you
are.

Steve

Re: OT-Cameras

Steve wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 22:30:13 -0500, "Invisible68" <plathrop@lcom,net >
> wrote:
>
>> "Steve" <steve@example,com > wrote in message
>> news:5i6p14hii0f0nd062m1hmpkevmlj67a4u2@4ax,com ...
>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:38:06 -0400, Sheep <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
>>>> available.
>>>>
>>>> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>>>> During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
>>>> (miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
>>>> camera).
>>>>
>>>> Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
>>>> decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
>>>> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>>>> to take the leap.
>>> D300 is a great camera *but* take a look at used D200's. You can get
>>> them for 1/2 the price of a D300 and there isn't all that much of a
>>> difference. Spend the difference on great lenses and you can still
>>> use them if you feel the urge to get a D300 when their prices come
>>> down in a year or two as well.
>>>
>>> The lens is what matters more than any particular camera body. You'll
>>> go through many different body upgrades and still use the same high
>>> quality lenses.
>>>
>>> Steve
>> yes very true... I will be staying in the Canon brand because of all the
>> lenses I have from my 650....
>
> That's one of the reasons I don't like Canon. They don't care as much
> about lens interchangeability between various SLR/SDLR bodies as Nikon
> does. I do have a Canon pocket camera that I like a lot though. But
> if you already have a lot invested in lenses, you're kinda stuck.

There are only two--EF and EF-S. If you're talking about the autofocus,
the change happened over 20 years ago. Most people don't have lenses
that old... When I used a camera that used the EF-S lenses (cameras with
the smaller sensors), I only purchased EF lenses knowing that some day I
would upgrade and would want them to work on that camera.

"Invisible," your lenses will work fine on whatever Canon you choose...

--
Donna A.
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'95 FLHTCUI Fuel Injected 30th Anniversary Electraglide "Fueley"
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Re: OT-Cameras


On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:31:23 -0500, "Donna A."
<flhtcui1995@SPAM.hotmail,com > wrote:

>Steve wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 22:30:13 -0500, "Invisible68" <plathrop@lcom,net >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Steve" <steve@example,com > wrote in message
>>> news:5i6p14hii0f0nd062m1hmpkevmlj67a4u2@4ax,com ...
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:38:06 -0400, Sheep <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
>>>>> available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>>>>> During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
>>>>> (miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
>>>>> camera).
>>>>>
>>>>> Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
>>>>> decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
>>>>> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>>>>> to take the leap.
>>>> D300 is a great camera *but* take a look at used D200's. You can get
>>>> them for 1/2 the price of a D300 and there isn't all that much of a
>>>> difference. Spend the difference on great lenses and you can still
>>>> use them if you feel the urge to get a D300 when their prices come
>>>> down in a year or two as well.
>>>>
>>>> The lens is what matters more than any particular camera body. You'll
>>>> go through many different body upgrades and still use the same high
>>>> quality lenses.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> yes very true... I will be staying in the Canon brand because of all the
>>> lenses I have from my 650....
>>
>> That's one of the reasons I don't like Canon. They don't care as much
>> about lens interchangeability between various SLR/SDLR bodies as Nikon
>> does. I do have a Canon pocket camera that I like a lot though. But
>> if you already have a lot invested in lenses, you're kinda stuck.
>
>There are only two--EF and EF-S. If you're talking about the autofocus,
>the change happened over 20 years ago. Most people don't have lenses
>that old... When I used a camera that used the EF-S lenses (cameras with
>the smaller sensors), I only purchased EF lenses knowing that some day I
>would upgrade and would want them to work on that camera.
>
>"Invisible," your lenses will work fine on whatever Canon you choose...

There's EF, EF-S and pre-EOS. Sure, pre-EOS is 20 years ago. But
quality lenses 20 years old are still quality lenses. They just can't
be used. So that's 3 types vs. Nikon F-mount, which is 1 mount type
for the past 50 years. You can buy some really excellent old Nikon
glass for cheap on ebay and be reasonably sure it will work on many of
today's cameras. Not true with Canon. That's why I made the comment
about Canon not caring as much about lens interchangability as Nikon.

It is true though that the 650, being an EOS, the lenses he has will
work on today's cameras.

Steve

Re: OT-Cameras

Steve wrote:
> On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:31:23 -0500, "Donna A."
> <flhtcui1995@SPAM.hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 22:30:13 -0500, "Invisible68" <plathrop@lcom,net >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Steve" <steve@example,com > wrote in message
>>>> news:5i6p14hii0f0nd062m1hmpkevmlj67a4u2@4ax,com ...
>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 21:38:06 -0400, Sheep <d.l.dubose@bell.south,net >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally go this place to put some Guinness on tap so get it while it's
>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cameras. Been getting by with my old Nikon 4300 for a long time.
>>>>>> During said long time I've bought my wife a Sony Cybershot DSCT30
>>>>>> (miserable camera)and my daughter a Sony Cybershot DSC-N2 (excellent
>>>>>> camera).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me? I've been getting by looking at digital SLR's and trying to
>>>>>> decide if I wanted to make the jump. Now the reviews I'm reading and
>>>>>> the pictures I'm looking at taken by the Nikon D300 are making me want
>>>>>> to take the leap.
>>>>> D300 is a great camera *but* take a look at used D200's. You can get
>>>>> them for 1/2 the price of a D300 and there isn't all that much of a
>>>>> difference. Spend the difference on great lenses and you can still
>>>>> use them if you feel the urge to get a D300 when their prices come
>>>>> down in a year or two as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lens is what matters more than any particular camera body. You'll
>>>>> go through many different body upgrades and still use the same high
>>>>> quality lenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>> yes very true... I will be staying in the Canon brand because of all the
>>>> lenses I have from my 650....
>>> That's one of the reasons I don't like Canon. They don't care as much
>>> about lens interchangeability between various SLR/SDLR bodies as Nikon
>>> does. I do have a Canon pocket camera that I like a lot though. But
>>> if you already have a lot invested in lenses, you're kinda stuck.
>> There are only two--EF and EF-S. If you're talking about the autofocus,
>> the change happened over 20 years ago. Most people don't have lenses
>> that old... When I used a camera that used the EF-S lenses (cameras with
>> the smaller sensors), I only purchased EF lenses knowing that some day I
>> would upgrade and would want them to work on that camera.
>>
>> "Invisible," your lenses will work fine on whatever Canon you choose...
>
> There's EF, EF-S and pre-EOS. Sure, pre-EOS is 20 years ago. But
> quality lenses 20 years old are still quality lenses. They just can't
> be used.

Honestly, tho, the vast majority of people buying consumer and prosumer
digital cameras are not going to have "quality" lenses from more than 20
years ago.

So that's 3 types vs. Nikon F-mount, which is 1 mount type
> for the past 50 years. You can buy some really excellent old Nikon
> glass for cheap on ebay and be reasonably sure it will work on many of
> today's cameras. Not true with Canon. That's why I made the comment
> about Canon not caring as much about lens interchangability as Nikon.

Nikon may well have just the F-mount, but there are variations nowadays
such as the DX lenses that are for cropped-size sensors only. They'll
fit a full-frame camera but the image circle won't cover the whole
sensor. So they don't really have a one-size-fits-all solution anymore
either. And I think there's the thing about the drive thingy for the
motor in some lenses. I know the newest low-cost consumer Nikon digital
SLRs don't have the interface to drive those lenses so they won't
autofocus. I didn't know that some nikon lenses required that until I
read a review on one of the newer DSLRs.

> It is true though that the 650, being an EOS, the lenses he has will
> work on today's cameras.

Yep.

--
Donna A.
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