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The big twins are in!
The big twins are in!
* roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
* roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
Re: The big twins are in!
T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:33
> * roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
>
>As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
>Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
What is it with FX and twins? 898s allowed in?
The big twin rules for the AMA seem to be somewhere between BSB and WSB.
So that's 3 different sets of tune.
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T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:33
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>
>As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
>Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
What is it with FX and twins? 898s allowed in?
The big twin rules for the AMA seem to be somewhere between BSB and WSB.
So that's 3 different sets of tune.
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Re: The big twins are in!
On 2008-01-21 12:39:23 -0500, Julian Bond <julian_bond@voidstar . com > said:
> T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:33
>> * roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
>>
>> As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
>> Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
>
> What is it with FX and twins? 898s allowed in?
* roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31082
>
> The big twin rules for the AMA seem to be somewhere between BSB and
> WSB. So that's 3 different sets of tune.
Duc got pretty much what they wanted with them allowing aftermarket
piston's and I doubt they're too worried about the extra weight, isn't
that just about what you guys did?
On 2008-01-21 12:39:23 -0500, Julian Bond <julian_bond@voidstar . com > said:
> T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:33
>> * roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
>>
>> As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
>> Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
>
> What is it with FX and twins? 898s allowed in?
* roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31082
>
> The big twin rules for the AMA seem to be somewhere between BSB and
> WSB. So that's 3 different sets of tune.
Duc got pretty much what they wanted with them allowing aftermarket
piston's and I doubt they're too worried about the extra weight, isn't
that just about what you guys did?
Re: The big twins are in!
T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:09:02
>Duc got pretty much what they wanted with them allowing aftermarket
>piston's and I doubt they're too worried about the extra weight, isn't
>that just about what you guys did?
I think in BSB the weight is the same for 4s and twins but they have to
run stock pistons. There was a face off and Ducati demanded aftermarket
pistons but eventually they folded. And the 4s have also been pulled
back. The top end is more or less the same but they have to run stock
cranks, conrods and pistons.
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T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:09:02
>Duc got pretty much what they wanted with them allowing aftermarket
>piston's and I doubt they're too worried about the extra weight, isn't
>that just about what you guys did?
I think in BSB the weight is the same for 4s and twins but they have to
run stock pistons. There was a face off and Ducati demanded aftermarket
pistons but eventually they folded. And the 4s have also been pulled
back. The top end is more or less the same but they have to run stock
cranks, conrods and pistons.
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Re: The big twins are in!
On 2008-01-21 16:41:47 -0500, Julian Bond <julian_bond@voidstar . com > said:
> T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:09:02
>> Duc got pretty much what they wanted with them allowing aftermarket
>> piston's and I doubt they're too worried about the extra weight, isn't
>> that just about what you guys did?
>
> I think in BSB the weight is the same for 4s and twins but they have to
> run stock pistons. There was a face off and Ducati demanded aftermarket
> pistons but eventually they folded. And the 4s have also been pulled
> back. The top end is more or less the same but they have to run stock
> cranks, conrods and pistons.
So, you guys pulled the 4's back a little, but didn't give Duc all they
wanted either, though just getting the extra capacity will probably
still make them competitive right out of the box. It would appear that
the direction is not so much focused on power, but more on economics,
or cost saving, as well as leveling the field a little. IMO a wise move
and given the news lately about world markets probably an intuitive one
too. Weren't you guys pondering a spec tire too?
On 2008-01-21 16:41:47 -0500, Julian Bond <julian_bond@voidstar . com > said:
> T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:09:02
>> Duc got pretty much what they wanted with them allowing aftermarket
>> piston's and I doubt they're too worried about the extra weight, isn't
>> that just about what you guys did?
>
> I think in BSB the weight is the same for 4s and twins but they have to
> run stock pistons. There was a face off and Ducati demanded aftermarket
> pistons but eventually they folded. And the 4s have also been pulled
> back. The top end is more or less the same but they have to run stock
> cranks, conrods and pistons.
So, you guys pulled the 4's back a little, but didn't give Duc all they
wanted either, though just getting the extra capacity will probably
still make them competitive right out of the box. It would appear that
the direction is not so much focused on power, but more on economics,
or cost saving, as well as leveling the field a little. IMO a wise move
and given the news lately about world markets probably an intuitive one
too. Weren't you guys pondering a spec tire too?
Re: The big twins are in!
T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:03:06
>So, you guys pulled the 4's back a little, but didn't give Duc all they
>wanted either, though just getting the extra capacity will probably
>still make them competitive right out of the box. It would appear that
>the direction is not so much focused on power, but more on economics,
>or cost saving, as well as leveling the field a little. IMO a wise move
>and given the news lately about world markets probably an intuitive one
>too. Weren't you guys pondering a spec tire too?
Yup. Pirelli is the single supplier in 2008.
The formula is roughly WSB chassis with WSS spec engines. So stock lift,
free duration cams. Stock crank, conrods, pistons. Ported head. free
exhaust. free ECU. free gearbox. And the aim is reduced costs.
PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit. It's was surprising how
little of it a BSB tuner said they were going to use. Cams, ECU,
exhaust, gearbox were all coming from 3rd party suppliers. Even the
radiator they said they buy one and then get it copied in Italy for 1/3
of the price.
The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R turns
out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds when
used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
could.
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T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:03:06
>So, you guys pulled the 4's back a little, but didn't give Duc all they
>wanted either, though just getting the extra capacity will probably
>still make them competitive right out of the box. It would appear that
>the direction is not so much focused on power, but more on economics,
>or cost saving, as well as leveling the field a little. IMO a wise move
>and given the news lately about world markets probably an intuitive one
>too. Weren't you guys pondering a spec tire too?
Yup. Pirelli is the single supplier in 2008.
The formula is roughly WSB chassis with WSS spec engines. So stock lift,
free duration cams. Stock crank, conrods, pistons. Ported head. free
exhaust. free ECU. free gearbox. And the aim is reduced costs.
PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit. It's was surprising how
little of it a BSB tuner said they were going to use. Cams, ECU,
exhaust, gearbox were all coming from 3rd party suppliers. Even the
radiator they said they buy one and then get it copied in Italy for 1/3
of the price.
The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R turns
out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds when
used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
could.
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Re: The big twins are in!
On 2008-01-22 09:36:49 -0500, Julian Bond <julian_bond@voidstar . com > said:
> T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:03:06
>> So, you guys pulled the 4's back a little, but didn't give Duc all they
>> wanted either, though just getting the extra capacity will probably
>> still make them competitive right out of the box. It would appear that
>> the direction is not so much focused on power, but more on economics,
>> or cost saving, as well as leveling the field a little. IMO a wise move
>> and given the news lately about world markets probably an intuitive one
>> too. Weren't you guys pondering a spec tire too?
>
> Yup. Pirelli is the single supplier in 2008.
I would've thought Dunlop, aren't most made in the UK?
>
> The formula is roughly WSB chassis with WSS spec engines. So stock
> lift, free duration cams. Stock crank, conrods, pistons. Ported head.
> free exhaust. free ECU. free gearbox. And the aim is reduced costs.
And for a National series it looks like you guys got it going on, well,
except for the spec tire deal. I especially like the free gearboxes,
more to play around with!
>
> PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit. It's was surprising how
> little of it a BSB tuner said they were going to use. Cams, ECU,
> exhaust, gearbox were all coming from 3rd party suppliers. Even the
> radiator they said they buy one and then get it copied in Italy for 1/3
> of the price.
Again, that's good news, at least to me..
>
> The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
> but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
> they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
> depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R
> turns out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds
> when used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
> could.
I seriously doubt that new one will last long spinning it as tight as
last years, of course, it prolly won't have to either...
On 2008-01-22 09:36:49 -0500, Julian Bond <julian_bond@voidstar . com > said:
> T3 <notme@nowhere . net > Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:03:06
>> So, you guys pulled the 4's back a little, but didn't give Duc all they
>> wanted either, though just getting the extra capacity will probably
>> still make them competitive right out of the box. It would appear that
>> the direction is not so much focused on power, but more on economics,
>> or cost saving, as well as leveling the field a little. IMO a wise move
>> and given the news lately about world markets probably an intuitive one
>> too. Weren't you guys pondering a spec tire too?
>
> Yup. Pirelli is the single supplier in 2008.
I would've thought Dunlop, aren't most made in the UK?
>
> The formula is roughly WSB chassis with WSS spec engines. So stock
> lift, free duration cams. Stock crank, conrods, pistons. Ported head.
> free exhaust. free ECU. free gearbox. And the aim is reduced costs.
And for a National series it looks like you guys got it going on, well,
except for the spec tire deal. I especially like the free gearboxes,
more to play around with!
>
> PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit. It's was surprising how
> little of it a BSB tuner said they were going to use. Cams, ECU,
> exhaust, gearbox were all coming from 3rd party suppliers. Even the
> radiator they said they buy one and then get it copied in Italy for 1/3
> of the price.
Again, that's good news, at least to me..
>
> The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
> but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
> they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
> depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R
> turns out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds
> when used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
> could.
I seriously doubt that new one will last long spinning it as tight as
last years, of course, it prolly won't have to either...
Re: The big twins are in!
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
>but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
>they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
>depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R turns
>out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds when
>used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
>could.
Especially as that's knocking on 3 years mileage for the average
Ducati purchaser :-)
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
>but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
>they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
>depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R turns
>out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds when
>used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
>could.
Especially as that's knocking on 3 years mileage for the average
Ducati purchaser :-)
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Champ
Re: The big twins are in!
On 2008-01-22 19:14:44 -0500, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> said:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
> <julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
>> The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
>> but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
>> they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
>> depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R turns
>> out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds when
>> used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
>> could.
>
> Especially as that's knocking on 3 years mileage for the average
> Ducati purchaser :-)
Heh, I heard that!
On 2008-01-22 19:14:44 -0500, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> said:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
> <julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
>> The big question about Ducati in BSB is not if they'll be competitive
>> but if they'll hold together. If they push the rev limit too much,
>> they'll lose power from the 3 ring pistons and blow the crank. It all
>> depends just how marginal for the road and race oriented the 1098R turns
>> out to be. Could Ducati sell 1000 that require 5000 mile rebuilds when
>> used for trackdays and occasional road riding? I rather think they
>> could.
>
> Especially as that's knocking on 3 years mileage for the average
> Ducati purchaser :-)
Heh, I heard that!
Re: The big twins are in!
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit.
What issue was that in, Jules. This month has the launch of the 08
model, but no mention of the race kit.
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit.
What issue was that in, Jules. This month has the launch of the 08
model, but no mention of the race kit.
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Re: The big twins are in!
Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:59:49
>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
><julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
>>PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit.
>
>What issue was that in, Jules. This month has the launch of the 08
>model, but no mention of the race kit.
Feb edition. Page 128-129
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Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:59:49
>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:49 GMT, Julian Bond
><julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
>>PB had a display of the ZX10R factory kit.
>
>What issue was that in, Jules. This month has the launch of the 08
>model, but no mention of the race kit.
Feb edition. Page 128-129
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Re: The big twins are in!
Julian Bond wrote:
> The Fucking Liar wrote:
>> As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
>> Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
>
> What is it with FX and twins? 898s allowed in?
850cc is the ceiling on displacement for liquid-cooled twins, per the
'07 rules. The new(er) Ducati is 848cc, right?
> The big twin rules for the AMA seem to be somewhere between BSB and WSB.
> So that's 3 different sets of tune.
Same as it always is, and for fours as well. It seems like they held
station relative to WSB here, and did not dumb down like BSB, but this
is a rather surprising '08 change and '09 is still very much TBD. My
guess is that it was done to allow the Buell in, and only after Ducati
finalized their '08 US plans - the AMA probably didn't want to take heat
from the Japanese factory teams for letting Ducati back in at a factory
level so late in the game - the Fat Pig Preston Effect, you know...
Julian Bond wrote:
> The Fucking Liar wrote:
>> As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
>> Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
>
> What is it with FX and twins? 898s allowed in?
850cc is the ceiling on displacement for liquid-cooled twins, per the
'07 rules. The new(er) Ducati is 848cc, right?
> The big twin rules for the AMA seem to be somewhere between BSB and WSB.
> So that's 3 different sets of tune.
Same as it always is, and for fours as well. It seems like they held
station relative to WSB here, and did not dumb down like BSB, but this
is a rather surprising '08 change and '09 is still very much TBD. My
guess is that it was done to allow the Buell in, and only after Ducati
finalized their '08 US plans - the AMA probably didn't want to take heat
from the Japanese factory teams for letting Ducati back in at a factory
level so late in the game - the Fat Pig Preston Effect, you know...
Re: The big twins are in!
"T3" <notme@nowhere . net > wrote in message
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> * roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
> As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
> Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
>
>
MT-01 is a big twin
And sounds great
"T3" <notme@nowhere . net > wrote in message
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> * roadracingworld . com /news/article/?article=31102
> As much as this may help Ducati race here again, it might also help
> Buell's new bike too. we'll see...
>
>
MT-01 is a big twin
And sounds great
